31. Amnesty at it's worst - bigotry at it's best
Amnesty was created to be held in the contempt it deserves and we should ignore anything they say.
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32. Wait, what?
IDF used Palestinians as human shields? What? did they just take everything Hamas was being accused of and turned it upside down?
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33. #14 Formal war delarations require two countries.
The Islamic Entity of Gaza is not a national entity recognized as separate from the Palestinian Authority, its government is not accepted as legitimate by its own people, and it does have a regular standing army.
And fighting without a uniform is also a war crime.
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34. But no demand of Hamas to not fight in urban areas
AI demands Israel not to use weapons in built up areas, but no demand of Hamas to avoid fighting in built up areas - no tunnels under homes, no rockets fired from residential areas, no storing of weapons in homes and mosques.
AI just gave the green light for all terrorists to continue using populations as human shields.
Nice job for humanity, guys!
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35. TALKBACK NUMBER 13.
WHAT AN DARKENED UNDERSTANDING.
THE COMANDMENT -
-THOU SHALLT NOT MURDER-,
IS A LAW WITHIN THE SOCIETY.
JEHOWAH HAS NEVER FORBIDDEN WAR IN SELF DEFENCE,
OR VIOLANCE EVEN DEADLY,
IF THE NEED REQUIRES THAT,
IN INDIVIDUAL SELFDEFENCE.
NOT EVEN IN WAR IS IT LAWFUL TO MURDER.
THIS TALKBACKER SEEMS NOT TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN -
MURDER,
AND,
TO KILL.
THIS TALKBAKER SEEMS AN TOTAL IDIOT TO ME !!!.
Orao.
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36. Britain also commited war crimes, in germany!
in WW2, Britain killed many German civilians, but the blame is not on Britain. Similarly, Hamas has been terrorizing civilians, and Israel had to defend itself.
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37. #13 - Observer - you use so many loopholes, u hang yoursel
No official declaration of war is needed because this is a non-State entity - a known terror group on the list of International Terror Groups.
Second, since the cease-fire with Hamas ended (and several weeks prior) - Hamas was publicly and privately warned by many parties that indicated a heavy response was coming if they didn't cease their terror - rather they ramped it up.
No one was surprised by the result...except Hamas and Iran, apparently.
As I recall, Hamas already declared "war" to wipe out Israel back in 2005, so in even your convoluted world, the need was met.
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38. #13 - Observer - 10 Commandments for humanity, not just Jews
You follow the global consensus, apparently. Jews cannot protect themselves but Arabs have a full mandate to kill whomever.
It is ordained in their Koran and besides, what Arab really believes the words of an old, bearded man with writing on some rocks from a mountain. Jihad.
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39. #26 - The myth of Deir Yassin
You make yourself look like an idiot when you claim a massacre that even the residents of Deir Yassin refuted.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_war_diryassin.php
So what does that tell us of "actvists" like yourself? That truth and justice have no place in your agenda which targets Jews and take away a fundamental right from Palestinians - the right of self-responsibility.
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40. #22 - How fitting you're from Oslo Peter
Sadly most reports ARE either 100% for or against. Rarely has a fair, unbiased report come out on the situation in the region.
This is just another attack on Israel which is truly at the detriment of Pals themselves because it gives a green light to the heinous war crimes that Hamas commits - against Pals and Israelis.
One would expect that being from Oslo, you would WANT truth and justice, which this report is so lacking. It's a travesty to see you upset at Israel's response when even heavily-documented incidents of Hamas went ignored, including the govt using a hospital to hide out in, placing weapons inside homes and mosques, and using children as shields - right on video!!!
Maybe you're just a left-wing nut job with a chip on his shoulder because of your failed Accord that returned a terrorist group to the region and destroyed the lives of Pals and Israelis alike.
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41. one-sided report- no wonder!
"Israel did not respond to Amnesty International's repeated requests for information on specific cases detailed in the report and for meetings to discuss the organization's findings, said ...."
with the general sentiment (TBs) that all outsiders are biased against Israel- no wonder the reports ARE one sided- the ones that talk have their say- the ones that refuse to talk- miss the chance.
No point in complaining after the fact-
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42. to #33 true, non of them wore uniforms
they were counting that the IDF woun't shoot at people with civilian clothes, and take IDF by surprise, well not this time.
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43. to #35 no he is just believes in the prophet musa.
he forgets he worship jewish Israely ancestor. come to think about it's weird cause musa was on his way to reclaim the land of Israel, well jews always returned home even back than.
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44. Innocent little kiddies.
Even their own claims of 1400 dead of which allegedly 300 children show uncontrovertedly how CAREFUL the IDF was, since fully half of Gaza residents are under 18 years of age.
So, by rights - IF the IDF had been killing people indiscriminately - there ought to be at least 700 dead minors.
Moreover, they count underage armed combatants as "children", too.
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45. Human Shields
The tactic of hiding behind civilians is only effective if your enemies actually give a shit about human life. And that being the case, what good would it do for Israeli soldiers to shield themselves behind Palestinian civilians when groups like Fatah and Hamas have no qualms about turning their own children into human bombs? Amnesty International obviously suffers from an appalling lack of critical thinking when it comes to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, although it's becoming questionable as to whether they're merely stupid...or revoltingly venal.
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46. A brilliant idea
Amnesty International is right. In the next war to come the army of Amnesty International should conduct the war. Since they agreed that bombing Israeli civilians by Hamas/Fatah is a war crime they should fight back. To do so Amnesty International should create a nice humane army to fight Hamas since them and only them know all the rules and regulations. IDF will supervise the actions of AI to make sure that all laws are observed. Once the humane army of Amnesty International will prove it's humane war in Gaza they should dispatch humane armies to Somalia, Sri Lanka and to other places where humane wars need to take place. Hurray!!!!!
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47. #26 It tells Us that the PALS started the Terror in 1920 and
deserve all the punishment that they are getting.
The PALs started the terror in the riots of 1920, 1929, and 1936. They blugeoned Jews to death with knives and axes. Haj Amin Al Husseini collaborated with Hitler and also sought the extermination of the Jews/Israelis. They turned down Partition and every opportunity for Peace and coexistance. They focused on terror, murder, kidnapping, rape, and every other crime. When they aren't terrorizing Jews/Israelis they are murdering Fatah and other Palestinians (eg murder of groom and others during Wedding party for playing music). They also brought terror to the world with the hijackings in the 70's, massacres at Munich Olympics, and murder all over the world. This is why no Arab country wants PALs and everyone keeps them imprisoned in refugee camps (eg Sabra and Shattila where SLA attacked, not Israel). They murder their own daughters for "Famly Honor". But Israel did the unthinkable. Instead of bowing to PAL terror like the French,Israel fought back and devised enormously effective counter terror measures against the PAL terrorist. Israel is leading the war against terror in the world. It was Israelis who rigged barbed wire on the hulls of the Zim boat that was attacked by Somali pirates and cut to shred when they tried board the boat and Israeli security that repeled the Somali pirates on the Italian boat. All over they world countries first seek out Israelis who know how to deal with terrorist. So, RJBH if the PALs would engage in anything constructive instead of TERROR they might have a glimmer of hope. But reality is that they are parasites livng off of UN aid with no redeeming values whatsoever.
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48. to #44 lmfao so in other words
according to you gazans let their kids shoot rockets and carry guns, 6000 rockets. give it a rest IDF got videos and photos to back their claim.
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49. Amnesty accuses ... big deal.
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50. #8 atilla
did you also watch iran??? lately???
it seems to me you support this iranian mullah regime when they kill their own people in cold blood....and these people didn't lob rockets at the regime. they just wanted some kind of freedom and prosperity and economic reform and democracy. they were not violent. yet, your favorite mullah regime killed them, hanged them and imprisoned and shot them in the chests.
i think your "sympathies" are MISDIRECTED!!!! the iranian youth and most people under 30 years old DIDN'T WANT AHMADINEJAD AND MULLAHS. THEY WANTED FREEDOM. YET, YOU SUPPORT A KILLING REGIME IN IRAN FROM YOUR TALKBACKS. HOW IS THAT????
the people in gaza did not protest the kasams that were lobbed at israeli civilians for almost 8 years, killing and sowing fear and terror in many villages and towns in israel. yet, you said NOTHING!!!! while the bombs came to israel from gaza. why????
look what your government is doing to the kurds that bomb turkey and plant bombs in mosques and in public places. your government goes after them and bombs them too. BUT, these kurds do not operate from their civilian towns. they don't operate from apartments and mosques and they don't lob missiles from their homes and amongst schools, children and civilians. they have bases far away from their people and they DO NOT INVOLVE THEIR KURDISH INNOCENT POPULATION IN THE FIGHT AND THEY DON'T EXPOSE THIS POPULATION TO RETALIATION BY THE TURKISH MILITARY.
hamas didn't do that. they don't care. they operated exactly from civilian areas so that they knew they wanted to maximize the death of their people and to maximize the death toll and damage with the intent of getting media attention. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR CIVILIAN POPULATION. they use them as sheilds for the "enemy" and then they bring cameras to show the deaths and blame others for their own stupid and immoral actions.
believe me, if the turkish government and military knew that the kurds and pkk were operating from kurdish villages, they would bomb them there and then in those villages and not care how many kurds died in the process.
israel HAD TO STOP THOSE KILLING KASAMS. THEY JUST COULD NOT GO ON FOREVER! so, they started operation cast lead to protect its citizens and stop the terror.
look at iran. this is the killing machine that the human rights investigators should investigate. shame!
hameed aboughaze
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51. TALKBACK 43.
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HE BELIEVES IN,
IT IS NOT MOSES THE PROPHET.
MAYBE HE BELIEVE ON HIS OWN OPPINION ON THE PROPHET MOSES,
A SICK OPPINION,
WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MOSES.
Orao.
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52. A.I., known as Amnesia International
Nobody cares, what Amnes(t)y says! Bunch of self-styled clowns.
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53. # 50
you are lier.
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I ALWAYS BLAMED HAMAS FOR THE ROCKETS AT CIVIL AREAS.
AND !
AND !
NO MUSLIM EVER WARNED HAMAS AS THE WAY I DID.
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GOOGLE MY NAME
AND YOU MEET AT LEAST 10 POSTS WRITTEN TO HAMAS FROM ME.
MAYBE MOSTLY ON HAARETZ I DID THAT.
ROCKETS TIME I THINK I WAS ON HAARETZ.
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THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
LONG POST.
BUT
I WONT RESPONCE YOUR OTHER QUESTIONS.
FULLY POLITIC FULLY LIE.
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I DONT LOVE IRAN.
I JUST SUPPORT THEM AGAINST TO ISRAEL & AMERICA.
AGAIN !
I SUPPORT IRAN BECAUSE IRAN HATES ISRAEL & AMERICA.
THIS IS THE WAY I FEEL TOO.
WHY ?
BECAUSE OF THEIR FOREIGN POLICIES.
BECAUSE THEY KILL PEOPLE.
I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT GREAT AMERICAN PEOPLE.
I AM NOT SAYING INNOCENT CIVIL ISRAELIS (IF THERE ARE)
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YOU SEE !
IF YOU WERE A LIITLE HONEST WITH ME ! I WOULD HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR YOU.
I DONT TAKE SIDES.
MY SIDE IS WITH INNOCENTS.
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54. Zionisms Shameful Record of War Crimes
It puts war crimes into perspective ... and of course if god has anything to do with it.... it shows that God punishes in advance wrong doers.
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55. #53
SO, TELL ME ATTILA, WHAT WOULD YOUR GOVERNMENT DO TO STOP ROCKETS COMING FROM CIVILIAN CENTER?????
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56. #54 What a Pile of Crap! We are Angels compared to the
Gaza terrorists and their supporters (Iran, Hezbollah)
Gaza terrorists directly target Israeli citizens shooting 10000 rockets and mortars at us. And what do we do? We supply Gaza with their water, gas, and electricity. If it were up to me during the war, I would have cut all gas, water, electricity, and foreign aid until we got Shalit back and disarmed Hamas, IJ, El Aqsa, PRC, etc. HAMAS stores weapons and fires from schools, mosques, and hospitals while using their citizens as human shields. This presumes that we will legitimize this reprehensible terrorist behaviour and grant them immunity while they shoot at us. Hell no! If they don't give a damn about their citizen or ours, why should we care about theirs? Our primary responsibility is the safety of our people first. IDF did more to try to avoid Gaza civilian casualties than I would have done. All of the Israeli counter terror measures such as border crossings, checkpoints, and the Fence are a direct response to PAL terror which has backfired and cause more damage to the Pals with the blockade to prevent Israeli casualties. The terrorist attack of 2 suicide bombers in Dimona along with the Tractor terrorist attacks in Jerusalem have resulted in new operational guidelines of unloading the weapon in the terrorist's head to make sure that the terror is stopped immediately and that the terrorist will not be part of any future prisoner exchange. But it totally amazes me how you are oblivious to Arab/Moslem terror attacks in Mumbai, 9/11, Madrid, Bali, Sinai, Jordan, and on and on. There is no respect for our holy places or their own as they shoot from Mosques, destroy Mosques (Gold Dome in Samarra). They destroyed the 3000 year old Buddha in Afghanistan and respect no one's holy places. If one looks at how we provide medical aid, food, gas, water, electricity to our enemy, we are angels compare to the terror and attrocities committed in Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, and across the globe by Radical Arab/Islamic terrorists.
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57. Jews has no just.
so, omit the word just from your saying: "10 Commandments for humanity, not just Jews" .
If they wish to apply Moses' law again, they must first return to the land of Canaan, become Moses' Jews, and keep his laws. There they may practice usury as much as strangers will endure from them. But since they are dwelling in and disobeying Moses in foreign countries under the emperor, they are bound to keep the emperor's laws and refrain from the practice of usury until they become obedient to Moses. For Moses' law has never passed a single step beyond the land of Canaan or beyond the people of Israel. Moses was not sent to the Egyptians, the Babylonians, or any other nation with his law, but only to the people whom he led from Egypt into the land of Canaan, as he himself testifies frequently in Deuteronomy. They were expected to keep his commandments in the land which they would conquer beyond the Jordan. So till, the Great Jewish Israel is established, no 10 commandments, no other laws of Moses.
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58. #38 Jews has no just.
so, omit the word just from your saying: "10 Commandments for humanity, not just Jews" .
If they wish to apply Moses' law again, they must first return to the land of Canaan, become Moses' Jews, and keep his laws. There they may practice usury as much as strangers will endure from them. But since they are dwelling in and disobeying Moses in foreign countries under the emperor, they are bound to keep the emperor's laws and refrain from the practice of usury until they become obedient to Moses. For Moses' law has never passed a single step beyond the land of Canaan or beyond the people of Israel. Moses was not sent to the Egyptians, the Babylonians, or any other nation with his law, but only to the people whom he led from Egypt into the land of Canaan, as he himself testifies frequently in Deuteronomy. They were expected to keep his commandments in the land which they would conquer beyond the Jordan. So till, the Great Jewish Israel is established, no 10 commandments, no other laws of Moses.
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59. war crimes?
Amnesty International has become a bag of whining cats. The Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank are nothing more then murderers, thieves, and terrorists in training. Both Gaza and the West Bank belong to Israel. These areas should be swept clean of so-called palestinians and Israel should regain its historical borders.
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60. to all you moslems, nazis, and anti-Semites
May Ha-Shem show you the truth of your ways and give you the full measure of justice you truly deserve.
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