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No glatt kosher for jailed recalcitrant husband
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 17.07.09, 16:33
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1. reinstitute public lashings
Lemmings Hotline ,   sd usa   (07.17.09)
2. Kol Hakavod
Rabbi Ashkenazi ,   Jerusalem   (07.17.09)
Finally the rabbis are doing it right. Don't feed him on IV let him die. Then his wife becomes a widow and does not need a get plus she gets his inheritance and can remarry in style.
3. Separate state from religion.
(07.17.09)
Israel should be for all the Jews, including secular. Why do I need to go to Cyprus to marry?
4. so let the bum starve
bob ,   potomac usa   (07.17.09)
If they let him starve--she'll be a widow and freed from the burden of this total loser.
5. Grant her a divorce
(07.17.09)
After 10 years those Rabbi's should let the woman give the man a divorce. Its about time woman had some real rights.
6. No pun intended...
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.17.09)
but I don't get it. Since it's obvious that this man is simply vindictive, why doesn't some High Court, whether religious or secular, step in and put an end to this charade? No human being should be allowed to mistreat another one; be that physically or psychologically. I find it ironic, too, that he's using the same religion to abuse his wife on the one hand, yet demands kosher meals on the other. In the sight of what peculiar God does this guy expect to find favor for this kind of behavior?
7. "GET"=Get the hell out of my life
Al   (07.17.09)
Works for me..I only wish my ex would leave me alone. She seems to think I have a sign on my forehead flashing "ATM"
8. Is #2 a sfardi being 'funny'? as
#2's rebbetzin   (07.17.09)
is this creep of a husband probably.
9. If you care for your wife anyway, you do not let her suffer
S.   (07.17.09)
Live with it that she wants a divorce, don't be an ass. If you don't care for your wife, the mother of your children, then get this divorce quickly done so you'll get rid of her. Being stubborn and an asshole, does not make the world any better. Marriage is not meant for suffering, nor are parents meant to be respected if they do not deserve respect (in case of abuse e.g.). Love is not love when you deliberately hurt the other one and selfish revenge is nothing but acting egoistically. Start living your own life by granting your wife the freedom she deserves! And in the meanwhile, society and rabbis have to come up with a solution against these stubborn individuals making live of their partner so miserable.
10. (#2), You're The Man, Rabbi
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (07.17.09)
Ashkenazi! I often read your comments and appreciate them as well. What do you have to say about the recent demands and rioting on the part of the Edah Haredit? Have the other Haredim spoken out against their actions in a timely and effective way?
11. Classic choice: Make your wife a Gerusha or an Almana.
David ,   Montreal, CANADA   (07.17.09)
12. to No. 3
Drew ,   US   (07.17.09)
what does this have to do with the above article? And as a secular you can marry with any recognized rabbi you want. i know plenty of secular people who found wonderful rabbis who are sensitive to the needs of seculars and go with the flow. you are a Jew, so therefore, it only makes sense that you have a Jewish wedding. If you have a secular wedding, then as a Jew, you are still single, although as a secular you're married. Is your Jewishness what's important to you, or just being secular and defying the religion?
13. Long ago, the Rabbis would have found a creative solution
rnathans00 ,   Washington, USA   (07.17.09)
In earlier times long ago, the Rabbis would have wracked their brains to come up with a solution to difficult problems. Think Hillel's prozbul, and Rabbenu Gershom's prohibition of polygamy - in one case permitting what had been prohibited, in the other prohibiting what had been permitted. They found a way halachically to do this. There are some, of course, in the more modern wings of Orthodoxy, as well as the more traditional among the Conservatives, that have presented solutions that prevent the kind of extortionate behavior seen here, but the powers that be won't sanction them.
14. Good! let him starve!
Talula ,   Israel   (07.17.09)
15. #8 stats show vast majority of recalcitrants r ashkenazim!
(07.17.09)
Sefardim know better than to pull this kind of garbage!
16. Phony argument
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (07.17.09)
Does it matter if the guy is sephardic or askenazi? Since the guy decided it was proper for him to go on a hunger strike; let him have his way and starve to death. Then it won't matter if he gives the get.
17. His children are spared his venom so long as he is in jail.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (07.18.09)
Keep him there and tell him the IVs next week will have a bit of pig blood contamination in them.
18. Take it to Rabbi Sherman, the wife's...
Yosef ,   Boca Raton USA   (07.18.09)
will likely be declared suspicious since likely he was not who married her, therefore there will be no need for get since neither the wife nor the kids are probably jewish...
19. #3, let me give you an explenation
Golan ,   SL   (07.17.09)
1. marriage is a religious institution you do not need to get married for any other reason 2. this story is about a religious couple whose life is being affected by religion. Your worldview means nothing in this case. And "secular" marriages will not change what is happening here. 3. This goes to show that the religious DO take agunot seriously 4. this is an evil man who is simply out to hurt that poor woman who married him.
20. From the beginning there was NO DIVORCE, Rabbi
Rivkah   (07.18.09)
Yeshua said. But for the hardness of people's hearts, Moses granted divorce. For this man to all a religious divorce would put him in the position of never remarrying during the lifetime of his first wife if he wants to be on the highest moral ground as it was in the beginning from Adam to Moses. Rabbi Yeshua said separation is better than divorce and that reconciling is always an option. How horrible to force this man to get a divorce and to take from him the clean food he is commanded to eat to have supernatural protection from fires and floods as Isaiah says in chapters 65 and 66. God will not protect swine eaters and those who eat unclean foods. There is a war on the horizon and this man would be polluted, you horrible people who are refusing to give him Kosher foods to eat. Repent! He has done no wrong but to want to live the highest standard like the Patriarchs did long ago.
21. the Jewih bum
jules   (07.18.09)
don't we have enough of them? just let him die and let's clean up the neighborhood -- years and years of this comedy ? let's get rid of this worthless rabbinical court -- Separation of church/state a must.
22. To rivkah, # 20
(07.18.09)
this man would be polluted ? He was born polluted " zeyum hasvivah" and long ago , so did your patriarchs (in your dreams) with their highest standard. For all the world to see these so-called high standards are reflected in your streets, your neighborhood, your community - in plain language, garbage... generated on the SABBATH.
23. Rivka what's even more horrible
Esther ,   Ofarim, Israel   (07.18.09)
Is you continuing to spout your drivel about things that don't concern you. You're not even a Jew, what do our divorce customs concern you? Now of course you're going to get on your rampage how I envy you your knowledge, wisdom and understanding. And I'll have to tell you: Rivka, just shut up.
24. Rivkah!
(07.18.09)
If you are talking about Jesus then it isn't "..from the beginning" now is it?! and since you are talking about Jesus then you must be a Xtian who knows nothing about real, true and serious matters in the life of Jews. Please do take your irrelevant comments and go to a Xtian site with them!
25. Contract of divorce
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.18.09)
The law can force a man to pay taxes,to serve in the army,but the law can't force a man or a woman to sign a document against their will, in the soviet Union people were inprisoned,tortured,in order to make them sign documents against their will,this man is within his right,not to sign the Get document.It stands to reason that the divorce laws were created by men and were not given to Mozes by God on mount Sinai,God would never grant so much power to a human being, over another human being.The Rabbis would have found a solution to the problem,if the case was reverse, if men were at the mercy of women.
26. 22,23,24: Read talkback 25. How broken your hearts will be
Rivkah   (07.18.09)
when the Lion of Judah (a Jewish Messiah) comes and you see he is was and always will be Rabbi Yeshua. You will mourn as for a lost first born son. He is more Jewish than you are or ever will be. He said Jews are those who are Jews in their hearts which you three obviously are not. Repent of your blasphemies toward the Savior of the Jews who are Jews in their hearts.
27. Just order the divorce
Ken Besig ,   Israel   (07.18.09)
All the court has to do is order the divorce and it's done.
28. Wouldn't reform in Jewish Law be simpler?
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (07.19.09)
AFter all, Judaism was able to do away with bigamy in the 10th or 11th century, right? At least in Europe. So why can't the learned rabbis find a way to allow women to have a divorce even if their husbands don't want to give in. Civil marriage and divorce would also help, but in the case I'm sticking to the existing framework.
29. #25 - the men have a solution
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (07.19.09)
In cases like this, when the woman refuses to accept the divorce, hubby can take a second wife. Easier for a Sephardic man, but by no means impossible for an Azkenazic man either.
30. to #3, 5, 27, etc
om ,   israel   (07.19.09)
Even if the court were to force a divorce, or "allow her to divorce him," or grant her a civil divorce, it wouldn't matter. The WIFE wants a Jewish divorce, this isn't a question of religious coersion. Civil marriage and divorce, or attempts to change Jewish divorce law, are irrelevant here.
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