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Swiss FM: Hamas 'major player' in Middle East
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Published: 20.07.09, 00:15
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31. #26 David and your politics
Margo   (07.20.09)
David: you hit the nail right on the head: "if we would have a normal government for once"- but you don't.. You are dead wrong thinking the world and the Swiss etc. are against you. Confused more likely--- whatever anybody does- or does not do, Israel takes it as an insult. You have one government after the other that see-saws from left to right and back: - on-state solution, two-state-solution, no negotiations, war, back to talk, no talk, etc... there is NO consistency- it is an internal problem- and if you guys really thought about it, you would see it too. So stop blaming other countries. Nobody believes Palestinian lies, and nobody is treating you like you are nothing- it is all in your head . Anybody who does not agree with you- is a traitor- or a Fascist- this is pretty simplistic, don't you think?
32. #27: You listed legitimate governments
Global Citizen ,   Israel & USA   (07.20.09)
so no arguement there whatsoever, and Israel is continuing on that path. The Swiss FM is talking about a known terrorist organization that is looking to simultaneously exploit fear and an underdog status. Big difference. Why is she of concern? Because in todays world, battles are propaganda-driven more than anything else, and her voice ads more fuel to the fire with no back-up.
33. #29 Steve
Richard ,   CH   (07.20.09)
Is Israel part of this club too? it is now negotiating with Abbas? How soon we forget. First it was a terrorist org.-like Hamas- now Fatah are the good guys? Hamas is not going away- however much Israel wishes it did- sooner or later Israel will start to negotiate with Hamas too...it is a matter of time. Unfortunately this is a fact: IRA, ETA , PLO, Fatah and the list goes on - sooner or later all of them became organizations that came to the negotiating table- closing your eyes does not make them go away- and war did not accomplish much in any case...
34. #15 Margo
(07.20.09)
Are you related to Marco of Spain by any chance???
35. We are the chosen people...
Moshe ,   Israel   (07.20.09)
and dont you ever forget that. The whole world is against us. The whole world is antisemitic. But we are survivors and we will survive.
36. #32 legitmate governments?
World traveler   (07.20.09)
what are you calling legitimate governments? Just wondering: Israel negotiated with the PLO, then with Fatah- if it comes right down to it- are (were) they more legitimate than Hamas? In their time both of those organizations did their share of propaganda ,fear mongering and terror attacks. The voice of Calmy-Rey is not very loud- . She is not the best liked person in Switzerland- at par with Mr. Liebermann for popularity... As for adding fuel to the fire: Israel is the only country that finds it necessary to constantly comment on foreign countries performance. Sometimes silence would be better!
37. #36: Look up Hamas - they ARE our affair
Global Citizen ,   Israel & USA   (07.20.09)
38. support of israel
Thomas ,   Germany   (07.20.09)
Since in every news here, where a western goverment ciritizises or says something not in Israels favor the west is accused of anti semitism, facism and idiotism. So I am thinking to myself, what would happen if the west took this accusations seriously and stop all the support for Israel ? No millitary aid an economic ban on all Israeli products. No one would fear the IDF anymore after a while, cause of a lack of spare parts ! The economy will shrink extremly when USA & Europe markets are gone. You know this would be the destruction of the State of Israel. Sometimes I think this is the aim of Israels right.
39. #35 chosen people? Moshe
world traveler   (07.20.09)
who can forget it if you keep throwing it in people's face all the time. The whole world is NOT against you, nor is the whole world anti-semitic. At most many people are indifferent. Many people are supporting Israel- but you feel best in the role of the martyrs, the persecuted- reading Ynet- there is not a single TB where people are happy with what they are, what they have- it is complaining, threatening, whining, insulting- and I am talking against YOUR OWN PEOPLE. Check it out: Israel is one unhappy people- and blaming the whole world for it must feel really great- but it is a hollow victory. Friendships have to be supported, earned- you cannot insult people one day and be buddies the next- You will survive- yes, I hope so- but will you be happy, all alone?
40. Hamas, a major player in Switzerland
Raphael ,   Netanya   (07.20.09)
Like PLO, they are opinion leaders among the islamic pundits, thus money greedy swiss banks consider the "poverty stricken" Palestinians as major investment promoters. They unrolled the red carpet for most tyrants, Duvalier, Marcos, Mobutu, etc..during thje 20th century . As usual, the Swiss are ready to sacrifice the Jews to their persecutors, and eager to take revenge of the class actions which they faced due to their role in the Shoah, the stripping of survivors or victims, the assistance to fleeing nazi criminals.
41. #38: Read again. She is empowering a terrorist organization.
5th generation ,   Israel   (07.20.09)
42. #40 and anything else?
Michael   (07.20.09)
as usual, the TBs are ready to insult- your accusations are old, but it feels soooo good to bring up the old stories, right' even if they are entirely true- get it off your chest, LOL
43. I'm not a friend of Calmy-Rey but
Mike ,   Switzerland   (07.20.09)
she is right in saying that there can be no peace without involving hamas. They are a main reason for Israel's troubles. Was Switzerland happy to talk to Sudanese mass murderers to make them sign a truce agreement? No, of course not. But it had to be done, and it's the same here. Merely talking to someone does NOT mean you agree with them.
44. #41 not so...
Margo   (07.20.09)
Calmy-Rey is TALKING to a Hamas rep- it does not mean she agrees with them, with what Hamas stands for, etc... I think Israel and the TBs are jumping the gun here-. It is stupid to think by ignoring a problem (Hamas) it will go away. Hamas is not going anywhere soon- Cast Lead proved it- so, the next best thing is to force them to sit down and sort it out... unless Israel wants another 60 years of wars and threats- it better sit down too.... it will all depend on Israel's government- it is YOUR chosen government after all.
45. #8 Daniel- what do you know?
World traveler   (07.20.09)
who said anything about LOVE? Do you LOVE the US? You do as long as they give you money and arms? Does a one hour meeting sound like a love-in to you? Come on! Swiss do not love Hamas, Hizbullah, or extremist muslims any more than you do- how many mosques are there in Switzerland- compared to Israel? Your TB is so full of hate and emotion- and lacks reason.
46. #39 world traveller
Moshe ,   Israel   (07.20.09)
We dont need world idiots. We are fine on our own. we've always been better than anyone else. We have Einstein, who do you have?
47. Calmy-Rey and Hamas
Lisa   (07.20.09)
ever since the news broke two weeks ago- yes two weeks- (Ynet is WAY behind- not news anymore...LOL), there have been many articles and videos on Hamas- and they are anti-Hamas- showing how children are 'trained' to become martyrs, Hamaswood- movies- the killing of Israeli soldiers, Hamas and Fatah war- so, yes- the media has taken it up- and it shows the true face of Hamas- there was hardly anything before- now it is there for all to see. Unlike in Israel- Palestine-Hamas and Israel are NOT in the news every day- so all you PC warriors and diplomats- you can calm down now- because the news is old-hat.
48. #46 Einstein
world traveler   (07.20.09)
yes, Moshe you have Einstein- but he sure ain't on Ynet TBs-
49. Obamas full court press
art ,   jersey city USA   (07.20.09)
This is done with Obamas approval as part of his pressure on Israel. He is isolating Israel and trying to over throw Netanyahu
50. #46 Einstein- Moshe
Lisa   (07.20.09)
Einstein actually grew up, studied and worked in Switzerland for many years- nominally he was Jewish- so Moshe- he was as much Swiss as anything else you know- have to come up with someone else? Like so many other smart Jews- he did not live in Israel....he worked somewhere else-
51. #46 Moshe- interesting facts...
Lisa   (07.20.09)
for your information, in case you didn't know: Switzerland was one of the first countries (outside Israel) to elect a Jewish President- Ruth Dreyfuss... the Swiss Jewish community is not large but thriving. Jews are into banking, have and run big businesses etc..- and this should be of interest: the Ashkenazin, Sephardim and Orthodox are working together- peacefully....because they talk instead of alienating... this is an example of how it should be...
52. #46 You are right. We've been down this road MANY many times
Rueben ,   Israel   (07.20.09)
before in our history. We never let the buzzing sound of pesky misquitos(like those on this talk back) bother us. Our G-d is Hashem, and his promise to us that we are the apple of his eye is a promise that is forever. All the other sounds are just outside noise that we Jews pay no attention to. Shalom my friend, Shalom
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