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The holocaust of Jerusalem
Yair Borochov
Published: 30.07.09, 00:09
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31. eddie #27
Ariel ,   Earth   (07.31.09)
well i have never heard that impurity ends immediately after immersion - it is always after nightfall. it is possible that YBZ expressed an opinion in a debate with other sages, which is allowed. secondly, the nevi'im never enacted new laws - they spent their time lambasting the people for developing an unjust society. the only navi who provided laws was Moses. tell us eddie (i'm assuming Roman is right and you are a Karaite?): if you ignore the Oral Law then how do you observe the Written Commandment "it shall be a sign on your arm and a binding between your eyes"? and tzitzit? how do you know how these are made if you reject the Oral tradition?
32. #9
(07.31.09)
actually, muktada al sader killed more arab muslims inj iraq than israel killed in all its wars and terrorism brought upon it. morew muslims kill muslims every day in darfur, somalia, asia, indonesia, iran, etc... than any israeli army ever killed. you are silent when your muslims kill other muslims. i wonder why that is??? hameed aboughaze iranian
33. Ariel #31
eddie ,   london UK   (07.31.09)
Hi Ariel, yes, i am an ex- Orthodox, now Karai/// Regarding Tefillin: If you want to use The Shema as proof for tefillin, then there are some problems: Deuteronomy Chapter 11 יח וְשַׂמְתֶּם אֶת-דְּבָרַי אֵלֶּה, עַל-לְבַבְכֶם וְעַל-נַפְשְׁכֶם; וּקְשַׁרְתֶּם אֹתָם לְאוֹת עַל-יֶדְכֶם, וְהָיוּ לְטוֹטָפֹת בֵּין עֵינֵיכֶם. So , this indicates there are 4 "boxes" and not two! But on a more serious level, we Sephardi Jews recite קַדֶּשׁ-לִי before putting on Teffilin. In this reading, we find exactly what the meaning of Totafot is. IN Ex. 13, we see: ט וְהָיָה לְךָ לְאוֹת עַל-יָדְךָ, וּלְזִכָּרוֹן בֵּין עֵינֶיךָ, לְמַעַן תִּהְיֶה תּוֹרַת יְהוָה, בְּפִיךָ: כִּי בְּיָד חֲזָקָה, הוֹצִאֲךָ יְהוָה מִמִּצְרָיִם. and טז וְהָיָה לְאוֹת עַל-יָדְכָה, וּלְטוֹטָפֹת בֵּין עֵינֶיךָ: כִּי בְּחֹזֶק יָד, הוֹצִיאָנוּ יְהוָה מִמִּצְרָיִם. טוֹטָפֹת is used in exactly the same context as זִכָּרוֹן . 9; refers to Matzot of the festival of Matzot. 16, refers to the Firstborn sacrifice and redemption for sons. Both are to be remembered. It is not about "tefillin" or black leather boxes. So the word טוֹטָפֹת can be understood as a "remembrance". It does not mean a black box! Both of these verses talk about our hands and between our eyes. So, again, how does this relate to tefffilin? Do we also put matza on our hands and heads? Do we put the first born ox on our heads? It would not be practical, but perhaps this is how the idea of leather came from? In any case, it is clear from this in Shemot, that the phrase simply means to remember in our minds (between the eyes) and in our actions (hands) our exit from Egypt. Tzitit is simpler to understand. they fringes on the corner of garments. The conceptual difficulty is whether they are "kosher" or not. But the Torah does nto specify what makes them invalid, so ther ei snot formal method of winding the tzitzit, but they have been fomalised over the centuries. Look at Yemenite tzitzit and compare them to ashkenazy ones - they are almost completely different!
34. #31 Ariel, your first two points..
eddie ,   london UK   (07.31.09)
Ariel - that is exactly whatthe Torah says, after nightfall. However, YBZ's "innovation" was that for Tumat Met - impurity of the dead, it vansihes immediately (which was disputed by the experienced Sadducee priests). Next - the Neviim - they were the leaders of Israel, and the propagators of the Torah. Hence, if anyone disputes the neviim, it is clear they are denying Torat H'. Now, one only has to read the Neviim to see how different their practice was from the oral law. Furthermore, Zechariah lambasted the people who insitituted the new fasts. Look at Ibn Ezra's commentary. Hashem did not command the fasts! So Zechariah was a Karaite, and he rejected any new testament or Gezeirot. Essentially, the oral alw is a bunch of new man-made laws, and the authors try to get through the back door claiming that anythign they dream up was retroactively given on Sinai!
35. 24 , eddie 24 , where was your "god's" protection
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.31.09)
during the Shoa of 1939-45 ? as ALWAYS : NOT existing .
36. rg in Jerusalem
m   (07.31.09)
If you don't care about Judaism and Jewish history, what makes you a Jew? An accident? Do your eyes see what your hand writes? It sounds terrifying.
37. # 9
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.31.09)
Muqtada ! You are sheddind Crocodile tears,the palestinians in Gaza are responsible for their own losses,when they attacked Israel with qasams,after Israel handed them over Gaza on a silver plate,it's imposible to reason with a Muslim,always crying and complaining.
38. charles
Ben ,   NYC   (07.31.09)
the very fact that Israel exist every second is a miracle, we're surronded by 700million arabs in dat region, and israel exist. we dont know what we have till we lose it..., u might not reliaze because u have become numb to it, just like people have become numb how the lungs filter the air, the heart pumps, the kidney filter toxic etc.... and ur point of the shoa, no1 can answer why the holocaust happened, but ur a learned man of history, u would kno hitler was a complete bum, no skool, no education , had to beg---and this asshole become leader of the most powerful country in dat time, coincide, maybe--but not very likely, imagine some joe schmo, just rises to power, no education, no job, nothingg, chances of that are slim... and like i said i cant explain why it happened ,no1 can. wen u die u can ask Him. P.S The hebrew word for coincide is Mikreh, Mem, kof, Resh Hay if u unscramble that u get: Rak M' Hashem--Resh Kof, Mem , Hay.. There is no athiest in a foxhole.
39. # 14
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.31.09)
Yechiel ! Where from do you get the18 million figure ? The number of the entire Jewish population in the Roman Empire was no more then 8 Million,10 % of the general population.
40. # 24
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.31.09)
Eddie ! God protects doers,not believers.
41. # 38
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.31.09)
Ben ! I'l tell you why the Germans succedded exterminating the Jews of Europe, no mystery,the poet Heinrich Heine said,the problem with the Jews is,that their History is longer then their Geography,which means,if you don't have a country,an army,strong friends,you are doomed,look at the Armenians,same conditions, same faith,Hitler before he embarked on the extermination of the Jews,said :who remembers the Armenians ?.A Million and a half Armenians were killed by the Turks in 1915 under the cover of the first war.When you have your own land under your feet,a big gun,strong allies,then faith is very useful.
42. JESUSALEN
JESUSALEN ,   JESUSALEN   (08.01.09)
JESUSALEN is the revelation of the lord jesus messiah (jitgalut 21)
43. our prophet isaiah tells us in chapter 1
why was repeatedly ,   Jerusalem destroyed   (08.01.09)
we do everything wrong and expect to be blessed ? it doesn't work that way.even the day that is observed for the 9th of av is not that day. the real 9th of av is on shabbat august 1. Yah says to do it His way but we refuse and wonder why we have trouble ? our prophet zechariah says we are going to go through another destruction of jerusalem before Messiah comes to save whats left of us.see chapters 12-14
44. TISH A'BAV
Luisa Donovan ,   ANAHEIM, USA   (08.21.09)
YOUR 'FULL STORY' hyperlink, leads to more comments, but, EXCLUDES THE 'FULL' STORY. WHERE, WHEN, HOW, AND WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THE DEMISE OF THE HEBREW/JEWISH PEOPLES? I'd rather hear it from you, than from wickipedia. STILL INTERESTED IN THE FULL STORY FROM YOU. THANK YOU, LUISA
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