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Bat Yam looking to hire 'Shabbat goy'
Naama Friedman
Published: 31.07.09, 20:20
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1. Take any Haredi
Oren ,   Or Yehuda   (07.31.09)
2. non jew for bat yam
zvi ,   bat yam israel   (07.31.09)
please take a secular they are not jewish they call them selfs israelis they are all over the jewish country
3. Look closely... There should be no such thing.
James K. ,   Leesville, LA, USA   (07.31.09)
Alright, look closely at the Commandment: "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy", If you'll notice it says the commandment is for "your manservant and your maidservant" and "the stranger within your gates" as well. I believe this falls under the category of a Shabbat Goy as well. Just take the commandment at face value.
4. Shabbat Goy
steve ,   Cherry Hill USA   (07.31.09)
Hello! Apparently no one told Rabbi Yosef that the Priesthood has been disbanded.
5. Shabbat Goy
Steve ,   Cherry Hill USA   (07.31.09)
Hey maybe you guys could get some of your buds from Deal NJ to do the job.
6. The hypocricy and form-over-substance stupidity of if all.
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (07.31.09)
7. Racial Discrimination
John ,   Be'er Sheva,Israel   (07.31.09)
I should try to apply for the job. I'm Jewish, so I would be denied the position, and then I could sue them for racial discrimination. :-)
8. Just a little hypocritical?
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.31.09)
Let me see, if I have this right: Since my conscience doesn't allow me to whack people, I could hire a Muslim to do away with that pain in the a-- brother-in-law of mine, who, according to the Koran, is fair game by virtue of being an Infidel. Using something less drastic, am I to assume that if I had the money to hire a live-in Shabbat goy, Shabbat needed to be no different than any other day? Maybe somebody can even issue a price list for the rabbinical dispensations from various Shabbat no-no's. If I thought for one minute that God is fooled by these types of semantics, I'd start to pray to the sun or some tree. At least I'd avoid the transgression of making God out to be a blithering idiot, who doesn't catch on to what certainly looks like a devious, little game of deception.
9. For Hebrew speaking, a question
Ima Goy   (07.31.09)
sorry, i don't speak hebrew, so i have this question, in the hebrew language how would you say "lightning from a high place" would that be "barak u-bawmaw" ? just wondering, thanks if you can help.
10. Space for cooperation between Israeli_Jews and israeli-Arabs
Rami of Nazareth ,   Israel   (07.31.09)
11. In a perfect, no one would kill and eat meat
Le' Faux Jew ,   US   (08.01.09)
or mutilate genitals either. Suspending the real thing, looks forward to perfection.
12. Extremely Bad Idea
David ,   Jerusalem   (08.01.09)
The number of cases where a shabbat goy is actually permitted is so limited as to make the notion of having one on retainer farsical. If one did make use of him often enough for it to be economically viable one would be violating the rules of when one can and can't do it. Let alone when one reads Rav Aerbach's letter on electricity and Rav Mordechai Eliyahu's follow up comments. Its ridiculous.
13. to 9
tFighterPilot   (08.02.09)
No, that would be Barak Mi'Lemaala
14. Why the hell is THIS CR@P NEWS ????
gabriela ben ari   (08.02.09)
15. Premise of "Shabbat Goy" Hypocritical & Contra-Torah fm Core
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.02.09)
16. to all the talkbackers who think they know
torah scholar ,   israel   (08.02.09)
the laws of the torah and choose to dictate to ynet readers.it is forbidden for any idol worshiper to keep the covenant between G-d and the jews, including the laws of keeping shabbat. they have the noah laws which are included in the 613 mitsvot. read the torah and you might actually learn something.G-d bless israel.
17. Shabbat Goy Not hypocritical or loophole
Not hypocritical ,   manchester uk   (08.02.09)
The concept is not hypocritical since Orthodox Jews believe that non-Jews were never commanded to keep the Sabbath, and are actually forbidden to keep it. To all those putting down the concept, if you don't believe in Orthodox Judaism then thats up to you, but to argue with the concepts premise within orthodox Judaism is stupid, unless youv'e first learned hebrew, aramaic and then learned though the entire Hebrew and Bible, Talmud and commentaries in their original form. I dont believe in Islam but I wouldnt argue with a Muslim when the Muslim prayer times are until I first learned Arabic, Quran etc.
18. how much will be paid
momojp ,   ISL & JAP   (08.03.09)
hi,, I am a GOY in Israel. how much will be paid? will they give me exrta saraly for warking shabat :D 2times I was asked that tuened off the air conditioned after the shabat was started...
19. paqid 15 , hypocrite # 1 talks aqbout hypocrisy
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.03.09)
He knows what it is , this deceiving fake Jew , but TRUE baptist missionary
20. Man can sometimes invent law to justify a behaviour
Le' Faux Jew ,   US   (08.03.09)
For intance, men can make a law stating that all men are created equal, but then define who a man is, leaving certain races or women outside of this group. Some laws were invented so as to live as if the law was suspended; only the prophet can suspend the "literalness" of law for a time (excepting idolatry), while at the same time complying with the Torah (Sabbath; Torah study time, Sabbath as a fortaste of time to come; Maimonides). Some believe(d) that Gentiles, are as if lesser than animals, and have no need for Torah study or have a day to be close to the creator, and exempt Gentiles from Shabbat / rest,and use Law to justify this.
21. There's LOADS of goys. Take your pick from the many
Israel   (08.03.09)
that are rioting on shabbat in Jerusalem.
22. 15 , mr van .....AKA paqid , a job for you !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.04.09)
23. Shabbat Goy
Charles T ,   Sunshine Coast. Aust   (08.04.09)
Com'on! this goes to show how cinical these people are. As far as I remember, the teachings read: "You will not work on Shabbat, neither will your servant"
24. Shows Jews cannot live alone
john b ,   radlett UK   (08.04.09)
this is good news. It shows that Jews MUST live in a socielty with non-jews in order to survive/exisit as Jews This teaches us tolerance for our non Jewish neighbours - we need them. john
25. what shabbat goy really is
mordy   (08.04.09)
before jumping to ridiculing religious, consider what shabbat goy really is: In general, it is forbidden to use a non-Jew to do your work on Shabbat. Only in cases of particular hardship this is allowed. It is correct that Jewish law forbids Gentiles from keeping Shabbat. Hence, it is not a hypocritical concept, To the extreme, even prospective converts until the actual conversion cannot keep Shabbat fully. Cases when use of Shabbat goy are allowed, for instance are: 1) the tasks are generally restricted to the benefit of the entire community or situations when a strong harship is present--for instance, you can ask a Gentile to turn on a heater in a cold synagogue during winter, or push a stroller/wheelchair absent Shabbat ritual boundary (eruv). 2) if your wife goes into labor on Shabbat, you can have a non-Jewish taxi driver drive you to the hospital. Historically, Jewish communities have always had friendly "shabbat goyim". Those tended to be the people who wanted to help us on Shabbat and liked Jews. I once heard that Hubert Humphrey was a Shabbos goy for a synagogue in Minnesota. and He was very proud of it.
26. Mordy , not 100 % correct
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.04.09)
You may not ask a Gentile to turn on a heater , only say him that it's cold , and he will understand what he has to do . You can tell him/her before Shabbat to come and execute some "jobs" . Not only tasks who benefit the entire community are executed by those Gentiles . They "worked" for families too . If your wife goes into labor ....... You can also see this as "pikuach Nefesh" i think , and then are you not only allowed but compelled to drive your woman to hospital .
27. Blessings to you mordy....but when
Le' Faux Jew ,   US   (08.04.09)
is the last time you read or dusted off the Holy Scriptures whic Halacha has a tendancy to surplant? Below is a basic example; Holy word says offspring are related through father...where is Jew based on mother?
28. bat yam shabbos goy
malach hamovess ,   new york   (08.04.09)
Former Sec'y of State Colin Powell once mentioned that he was a shabbos goy while growing up in NYC Now that he's retiring, if they could get him for the job, it would be some coup Or maybe they could get Sara Palin
29. The more religious they are, the more contradictions?
Aviel ,   Barcelona   (08.04.09)
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. [...] On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. [...] (Ex 20:8-11)
30. me old story...trying to maintain faith
Le' Faux Jew ,   US   (08.04.09)
via intimidation, threats, and punishment against the evil heretics / apostates etc. Any legal system ultimately gets its authority from the sitting judge at THAT TIME. Researchers are very divided on when medrashic interpretation of the Torah came about (and even this interpreted by sages of a specific generation).
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