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Mideast peace starts with respect
Ronald S. Lauder
Published: 26.08.09, 12:02
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1. bla bla bla... he got bigger fish to fry than
ghostq   (08.26.09)
Israel and he is sinking fast, just hope his political "friends" will leave the boat. cause he is rocking it too damn hard. he actually made the weak sectors in the economy pay more. American taxes up won't change global economy and is main priority is usa, so in other words don't look for respect or demand it cause it got bothing to do with Israel, he couldn't care less. further more it's mega issue of trust with due to his policy only he lost, Israelies don't trust the American anymore and it will lead to Israel acting for herself only with her own decisions meaning the veto by usa is un valid.
2. Ronald Lauder
NYC Girl   (08.26.09)
I'm afraid Mr. Lauder is going under the supposition that Obama has good intentions when it comes to negotiating a settlement to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. The fact that Obama has chosen to emphasize the settlements as an obstacle to peace, when he knows damned well the Palestinians have never backed off on their real intentions where Israel is concerned, is more proof of the influence of his friend Rashid Khalidi...the paid mouthpiece for Yasser Arafat who could never quite bring himself to criticize the Palestinian suicide bombers who were wreaking havoc all over Israel. In fact, when it comes to any issue involving the Middle East, I wouldn't trust Barack Obama as far as I can spit...and I'm a liberal Democrat.
3. Oh, come on!
David ,   Boston, MA   (08.26.09)
Lauder probably would have expected the Navajo and Souix to "recognize" the United States too. When Israel recognizes the right of Palestinian sovereignty AND the integrity of the 1967 borders, it may happen that they will recognize Israel. And don't expect a man being robbed to say "sir."
4. Palestinians spread lies all the time
JPS ,   Efrat   (08.26.09)
The biggest propaganda lie the Palestinians feed to each other and the gullible press is that the ancient Jewish temple is a myth and never existed in Jerusalem. Despite the proof, despite the fact that Jews the world over have repeated the same words about the temple and Jerusalem in their prayers for 2000 years, the Pals claim that the holiest site in Judaism simply doesn't exist. In other words, there is going to be no lasting peace in the forseeable future while the Palestinians keep spinning lies. Respect? The Pals don't give it to anybody.
5. Response to David (#3)
Moshe ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.26.09)
"Lauder probably would have expected the Navajo and Souix to "recognize" the United States too." They did.
6. The Palestinians still haven’t recognized the Jewish state
A.D. ,   ANTWERP, BELGIUM   (08.26.09)
THIS SHOULD BE REMINDED ALSO TO THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.
7. Thankfully, respect is not necessary for peace.
Jacob ,   Cambridge, UK   (08.26.09)
There is too much bad blood between the Palestinians and the Israelis for them to stop being enemies as peoples for at least a generation. But that's not terribly important. They don't need to love one another, they just need to stop killing and oppressing one another. And for that to happen, ending the settlements is absolutely vital, and requiring the Palestinians to recognise Israel as a Jewish state is entirely unnecessary. Deal with the matters of substance; symbolic issues will be intractable for at least anothe generation.
8. Bring back Bronfman
Ussishkin ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (08.26.09)
Once the head of the WJC was a man who represented statesmanship and a source of counterbalancing views to those of Israeli political leaders. Irritating tho' it was to successive Israeli leaders, this was healthy. Israel-Diaspora relations have never been ideal - Israelis seeing the Diaspora as the top of one vast money chute with Israel at the collection point at the other end. And Israel always saw it thus and also saw it as the duty of Diaspora leaders to blindly back it whenever Israel called. Now we have the reverse - a call from an avowedly reactionary Diaspora leader that replicates exactly the statements of the Israeli Prime Minister. Lauder makes himself a Netanyahu mouthpiece and contributes to Netanyahu's prevarication as a result. Lauder is not furthering the cause or the process of peace which Israel is so sorely lacking. The settlements are a continuously internally corrosive aberration which we have to end, for our own good and not because so many others - and all the leaders Netanyahu is currently meeting - tell us so.
9. #2 .. It;s good to read a sane voice from a liberal woman
Sderocket   (08.26.09)
It seem as if the last few years made some people to go blind there in the US. It's so in style to side the the "poor Palis" rather than to learn what's really been going on in the area. The state of Israel has it's faults but has no-one to talk to in the other side. The Palis declare for all to hear they want us dead. What's there to negotiate?
10. The "professor" #7
Israeli refugee ,   Sderot   (08.26.09)
"requiring the Palestinians to recognise Israel as a Jewish state is entirely unnecessary" Who the hell are you brits kidding?. What is it with you & the long lasting romance with the Palestinians? Why is a recognition unnecessary? Why am I & the south of Israel bombarded with rockets still? What on earth are you on about?!
11. David # 3
Jason, Ph.D. ,   Charlotte, USA   (08.26.09)
The simple fact is that the Jews, robbed of their land, never gave up their claim to it. That claim predates the Palestinians' claim by 2,000 years. Nothing you can say or do changes that basic fact. In other word, it is the Jews who are the people indigenous to that land; expelled, but still indigenous. Even so, they have been willing to share that land with the Palestinians. The Palestinians, however, have always said no to this sharing. Instead they started the Arab-Israel conflict. David, I invite you to do some serious and dedicated study of the history of that land. There cannot be morality without deep understanding.
12. to #7 it's your country doing, your country
ghostq   (08.26.09)
left mess and destruction anywhere you been on this planet and your country never took responsibility on it instead of blaming it's you who caused the bad blood when it was convinient you gave weapons to the arabs and other times you were nice to Israelis, I blame soly on the brits also your fault is the India Pakistan constant war, you r the one to be blame you know what happend in the past? small refreshment laws against Israelis in Israel during the mandat pluse you return holocaust survivors ship and prevent them from returning home to Israel they reached the shore of Israel and your country send them back to europ(places that didn't existed anymore in europ caus everyone got killed) all of them drowned(imagin entire families) and your country sometimes recruted and trained Israelies to the british militery during WW2. I blame you brits and only you for the fude Israel got what you left behind witch is a big ongoing mess. so take responsibility or shute up. cause you have no idea what your country did in the region.
13. No recognition???
Brad ,   USA   (08.26.09)
No recognition? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-Palestine_Liberation_Organization_letters_of_recognition#3:_Letter_from_Prime_Minister_Rabin_to_Chairman_Yasser_Arafat And you KILLED that man who wanted peace, Yitzak Rabin! Who do you kid? Yourselves? You are NEVER to blame, THAT is the only constant element of your defenses. "Oh, it's the Pallies! Not us!" And I read commentaries here that when swapped "Pallies" with "Jews" would make pretty solid law suit for antisemitism in any court!
14. 7 (Yaakoub): Irrational & impossible wishful assertions
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.26.09)
Being enemies "not important" to peace? What British sector of Obama's and Pelosi's Leftist dream planet do you live on? True, we don't have to love each other to coexist in peace but "they just need to stop the killing"??? As anyone could easily learn from divorces: marriage requires TWO partners BOTH committed to the relationship. Divorce requires only one recalcitrant who refuses to allow the marriage to work. This is no less true of peace and war. And YOU'RE going to see to it that Palistanis "stop the killing"? No one else has been able. If not you, exactly who is going to IMPOSE a stoppage of killing on the Palistanis? When Muslims don't have Israelis or Americans to kill, they resort to blowing each other up en masse! How is expansion of the settlements responsible for this in Iraq? Afghanistan? Spain? London? NYC? Reasonable people would conclude that the Arabs have an intrinsic aversion to peace with "dhimmis," particularly when they're Jews. If settlement expansion were the cause misojudaics suggest, then our evacuation of Gaza would have brought peace to the surrounding Israeli towns. Instead, getting out of Gaza caused rockets to fall on Israel. Any fool can see that you're propaganda is contrary to logic, irrational and motivationally "reasoned." Settlement expansion, in fact, is a ticking clock working against Arab war-mongering. If they'd reach a peace agreement with defensible borders for Israel, instead of insisting on eliminating the Judaic state from the Middle East, settlement expansion would stop. Thus, settlement expansion militates for peace while settlement freeze enables prolonged war-mongering. There can be no peace without respect. First published in the Mensa Canada Journal (1971.10), "The Van Nest Principle" was featured in a speech by Dr. Leshno at Tel Aviv University to then-President Ronald Reagan’s Sec. of State, George P. Shultz: "Communication is a prerequisite to understanding, Understanding a prerequisite to respect, Respect a prerequisite to peace." However, contrary to the article's inference, one cannot skip from communication to respect. As the other posters have noted, understanding has NOT been reached. Paqid Yirmeyahu Ben-David (ne Clint Van Nest) Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-keeper & Orthodox Jew Advocate for Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
15. #3, so what were they waiting for between 48 and 67?
Danny   (08.26.09)
16. News flash!
Lior ,   Israel   (08.26.09)
Do you think the world especially Obama and those U.S presidents before him are unaware of this aspect so key to a lasting peace? The problem is Israel never demanded "respect comes with peace." Take a look at some of the most ruthless regimes such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and of course the 'Palestinians.' (to name a few) They suffer no ills from lack of respect rather they take front and center stage garnering respect. We must stop taking the high road. We must demand this for ourselves and our leaders. For turning the other cheek we the victims of time worn hate and terror have been turned into the victimizer; the pariah of the world. Look at us. We demand Sweden speak out against their most recent salacious libel and Sweden knows they need not do so. Look hard, what world leader has stood behind Israel for this outrage? Now ask yourselves if any country spewed such a libel against another the world would be furious! What does this say? What does this say.....
17. Brad #13 get a grip on yourself
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.26.09)
Both Fatah and Hamas disagree with your moronic comment. Rabin had one thing to say about a 'Palestinian State' and that word was NO! Blaming us for Rabin's murder is like blaming all Americans for the murder of Jack Kennedy. So I hold YOU personnally responsible for his murder. You're just another stupid racist.
18. Obama+respect? Blah,ha,ha,ha.He has LOST most of the peoples
respect in his own ,   damn country.Blah,ha   (08.26.09)
19. Unfortunately, Obama is rather selective in his "respect"
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (08.26.09)
He certainly respects Syria and Iran and Saudi Arabia, indeed the whole of the Islamic umma; he respects Russia; and North Korea; he respects Venezuela and Cuba; and the Palestinians, of course. But democratic allies like Israel, or Honduras, or the Czech Republic? Not so much. They simply don't fit his "narrative".
20. omama is learning the real meaning of 'WE THE PEOPLE".
We read the Dec.of ,   Independence.Did he?   (08.26.09)
21. No "peace" in the next 50+ years
Illan ,   Chicago   (08.26.09)
No chance. If you want peace be prepared for war.
22. Being serious about peace
Frank ,   Canada   (08.27.09)
The real truth is that Obama is blackmailing Israelis to appease his Arab friends. This is not about peace or respect. That's why he is pressuring Israel and why he is not addressing the root cause of this conflict: Arab rejection of a Jewish State.
23. The only one who really knows anything about respest is Aret
ha Franklin.Sing it- ,   RESPECT........   (08.27.09)
24. This guy is a total embarrasment because of his elementary
view of politics. He ,   doesn't have a clue.   (08.27.09)
25. Can I raise my hand?
Jerrold Cohen ,   Seal Beach, USA   (08.27.09)
Mr. Lauder, this Jerry Cohen is a Jew and I don't recognize the Jewish state. Where are the Jews. Over 900 noncombatant civilians were murdered by Israeli soldiers. 11 of them were babies under 1 year old. Did you ever hear of the Sixth Commandment? Thou shalt not murder. That means that I call the people who murdered those kids by a familiar name, Goyim. They can't be Jews. Since Israel hires Goyim to do its murders, it can't be a Jewish state. And a state is characterized by stated borders. Israel has no stated borders. It is not a state, much less a Jewish state. Sorry, Mr. Lauder, I don't call a band of thugs dressed in civilized wear who treat each other well but treat the Palestinians worse than dogs a state. It's a bunch of dressed up thugs, Mr. Lauder.
26. peace in middle east
mr. x ,   middle east   (08.27.09)
if iam leabaneese i will not put my weapon as israil enter leabanon and destroy it more than twice .. if iam seryan i will be like hafez asad first jolan is a serian land then the negotiation if iam an egyption i will recognize the peace with israil as peace between enemies not friends if iam a palaSTINIANS I WILL ASKE GOD TO HELP ME NOT ISRAIL OR THE PALAstinian authority which can not help me in any aspect and the united nation which can not keep any right to palastinians where is palastine if israil wanted it a jewish state i do not be jew in any aspect it is religion it is faith and we are speake about humans who are free to believe on any religion wants to have home food land rights where all of these ....
27. 25 Another example of what's wrong
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.27.09)
with a racist (Hitlerian) definition of Jew. Jerry Cohen and Uri Davis; besides the homosexuals, atheists, and Neturei Karta included in the racist definition. The Torah--i.e. ha-Sheim--defines all of these, by their rejection of the b'rit Torah, as goyim.
28. Unless and until the Palestinian Arabs recognize Israel's
Golan, Open for LIfe ,   Israel   (08.27.09)
right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people - based on historic as well as the pronouncements of both the League of Nations, 1923, and the United Nations, 1947 and 1949 - there can be no accommodation of peaceful coexistence between Arab and Jew, between Israel and its Arab neighbors. And, unless, upon the reaching of an agreement, the Palestinian Arabs agree that this is the end of the conflict, no implemenation of any agreement what so ever will take place. The Obama administration may be wise to realize these two points and demand of the Palestinian Arabs now to meet them since without meeting both of them no deal will ever be possible.
29. #25 Jewish IDIOT. Go to the root word of "Kill, and Murder".
Any REAL Jew would ,   know the difference.   (08.27.09)
30. #25 With your last name meaning "Priest",you must be an em
barrasment to your ,   parents.Shame on you   (08.27.09)
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