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Remember reciprocity?
Ophir Falk
Published: 27.08.09, 11:29
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1. So is the racism that a Jew CAN own a house in USA...
Brad ,   USA   (08.27.09)
...But non Jew cannot own a house in Israel, except if he comes with "Right of return". That means you have to have "Jewish blood" to own a house in Israel. How's that reciprocal, eh?
2. Another thing: on whose land is Palestinians building?
Brad ,   USA   (08.27.09)
Sorry, but West Bank is Palestinian land and they can build there! There are legal evidences! And for your arguments... Biblical proof? You have a proof about Exodus? PLEASE post a link! PLEASE! For it is well known that there are NO proof about Exodus! Hence, whole thing falls in question! Besides - are you going to take a bronze age mummbling as a proof? Very well, then you can call Jews historically proven evil, since in New Testament states that "You are evil and your father is Satan"! History lessons? Oh, nice - and history also tells us that West Bank was not Jewish prior 1967! And that these territories are not annexed, hence by international law you cannot build on them! Indisputable archeological finds? Beautiful - tell me, will you claim Paris and Budapest as your cities, since there are clear archeological evidence there of Jewish presence? ALL these arguments are not in a least arguments for constructing settlements on land that is legally not yours! It was BRITISH land, before it was OTOMAN, and they relinquish it to Jordan. Jordan GAVE UP his land and gave it to Palestinians. Sorry, you officially OCCUPIED this land, West Bank!
3. OBAMA'S MATH
steve ,   tel aviv   (08.27.09)
Given the Democrats’ massive Jewish-American support (80%), and Israel’s tiny size amid the gigantic Arab world, the Oybama administration is apparently convinced that pressuring the democratic State of Israel (6.5 million Jews) is a whole lot easier than taking on 22 Arab regimes (320 million Arabs) along with another billion Muslims around the world. After all, moving a democratic hill is much easier than moving autocratic mountains. Seems Obama understands Bibi’s take on the power of public opinion, only democracy’s hardly a human right to this president. Obama is a shrewd politician. A salesman. But Israelmart isn’t for sale.
4. To No. 1 Brad
Nina   (08.27.09)
What are you talking about? If someone is not Jewish, you can own an apartment in Israel. I have Bahai and Arab neighbors in mine. You are just filled with too much hate and ignorance to know anything about this country.
5. The land Israelis inhabit is Israel’s land– historically,...
Ron B. ,   Lod   (08.27.09)
The land Israelis inhabit is Israel’s land– historically, Biblically, internationally and legally. History demands that Israel wake up, stop its internal bickering and incessant dithering, recognize its extraordinary past and patently defend the land it rightly possesses. If Israel does not do so, one day soon there will be more than just a few Arab nations calling for a 'final solution' to the Middle East conflict. Decisions must be made today to defend against future. Indeed, a nation that lacks the will to safeguard its sovereignty will one day simply fail to exist. Israel cannot fail at this crucial juncture; may history guide and protect her footsteps in these perilous times. Alas, no one else is willing. More at : http://xrl.us/otzko
6. #1 Brad
marc ,   israel   (08.27.09)
Hint: To avoid appearing as a complete idiot, first do minimal research on your subject. There are thousands of non-jews living in Israel who are home-owners.
7. What neighbours do you have, Nina, #4?
Brad ,   USA   (08.27.09)
You have: 1) A bahai who has Jewish ancestry, just as I mentioned in my first post 2) Arabs, who were here before creation of Israel, so if you would expel them on "put them on trucks" system - you would been severed literary from all western countries (except maybe my country, but that I doubt in these circumstances). Answer very straight: can a Chinese, European or Southern American, who does not have any Jewish blood whatsoever, buy a house or flat in Israel in similar fashion Israeli can buy flat or house somewhere outside Earth? Oh, don't start with Saudi Arabia and how Jews cannot have properties there - they are out of the competition. We talk about nations that claim themselves to be "western" and "advanced" and who "uphold democracy" (You, Israelies, claim to be in such company, no?).
8. #1
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (08.27.09)
A basic principle of the "peace plan" which Obama has accepted from the Saudi apartheid regime is the ethnic cleansing of all Jews from any area under Arab sovereignty. That is racism. In Israel, all citizens can live, vote and own a house, including Christians, Druze, Samaritans, Beduins and Arabs. That is not racism. The famed "Road Map" states that neither side can take any action that will prejudice the final negotiations. Ehud Barak's policy of massive Arab building with a prohibition on Jewish building is not only racist, but is a violation of the "Road Map".
9. only reciprocal ...
Stan ,   Jerusalem   (08.27.09)
If Palestinians from the West Bank were building in Israel, and were doing so on private Jewish-owned land. The fact that they cannot, while Israelis can build in the West Bank on privately-owned Palestinian land, is racist.
10. Remembering Reciprocity
Jerry Blaz ,   Tarzna, CA USA   (08.27.09)
There is a basic error in the thinking of Ophir Falk. Assuming that his statement that "israelis" think of the West Bank as part of Israel, the world recognizes the State of Israel as it exists. Furthermore, the see the territories as primarily the place of the future State of Palestine. And I believe that most Israelis do not think of a "greater Israel," but realize that without a two state solution with a Palestine mainly in the West Bank and Gaza, there will be no peace. So the idea of reciprocity is not relevant to the problem. The reciprocity was land for peace, and it still is the future solution to the Palestinian-Israeli problem.
11. Jewish Aliyah should be stopped until ...
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (08.27.09)
... to meet the peace all unhappy israelis should given permission to leave israel. each family should be given 300,000.00 $ to build new life in their old land. than we will have 600, 000 persons who left. that means ; we can invite 600,000 palestinian refugees back to home. *** when the palestinians arrive to home, HAMAS WILL BE READY TO RECOGNISE ISRAEL. we gonna make agreement on the 67 borders. Jerusalem stays as it is. THAN WE GONNA ANNOUNCE FOR JEWISH ALIYAH AGAIN ! WE GIVE 100,000$ FOR EACH FAMILY. ps : We charge all money spent to Saudi Arabia. sure as punishment. PS II. Palestine will have true army. including war planes. PS III. I want to be mayor of Temple Mount. Yes. therefore I STOP ALL FIGHTS. I will need a few soldiers with heavy machine guns ! No. I wont do that. you just give me 6 IDF girls around me without gun :) HEY ! MY HAPPNESS IS IMPORTANT :)
12. #1Ignoramus
Raphael ,   Netanya   (08.27.09)
The largest private landowner in Israel is the Orthodox Church. As opposite, Jews are forbidden to own real estate in most arab countries, and were stripped from their assets when they were expelled. Of course, it is not racisme, it is Shariah.
13. Indeed, why are Jews to cease building but Arabs may do
Bernard   (08.27.09)
whatever they wish in the territories which after all are in dispute? Some may call it racism, anti-Jewish racism. I begin to accept this characterization of the US demand.
14. RACISM BY ISRAEL NOT ARABS READ ON!!!
adam ,   london   (08.27.09)
the last sentence says " limiting Jews while giving Arabs a free hand is not reciprocity – its racism. " well thats exactly whats going on, BUT IN REVERSE! the JEWS are allowed to build in JERUSALEM and WEST BANK towns, whilst the ARABS get there planning "permission" denied more JEWS are able to build then ARABS, and like you said that "RACISM" so THEREFORE, according to your OWN ADMISSION, ISRAEL is a RACIST STATE how can "ISRAEL" import JEWS from RUSSIA to make a JEWISH majority in JERUSALEM, yet ISRAEL deny the RESIDENTS OF JERUSALEM access to the CITY on the grounds "they left, so can never come back" they get the "PERMISSION" cards to live in there CITY revoked! thats RACISM the FACT THAT THERE ARE 1.2 MILLION ARABS in ISRAEL, and ISRAEL ONLY PROMOTES JEWISH HOUSES IN the CITY is RACISM!
15. A rediculous comparison.
Mark ,   London   (08.27.09)
16. Obama needs to call another beer summit
Moish ,   Jerusalem   (08.27.09)
Maybe since it is ramadan they can eat Iftar together, Obama also needs to break his fast
17. #2 same guy, completely wrong again
Brian ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (08.27.09)
where do you get your information from, you idiot.
18. ophir is telling it like it is!!!!!
rudi wingate ,   bet shemesh, israel   (08.27.09)
19. Reciprocity, why not? of course
Suleyman ,   Chemorra   (08.27.09)
The land called occupied territories is palestiniens according to international law so it is normal that israeli colonization is subjet to discussion but not palestinian construction. What would be a real reciprocity is to allow palestinians to build inside Israel as a counterpart to colonization of west bank. After all, it is refugee's homeland not according to old biblical legends but because every refugee family can give you concretely the name of the village, the street and the number of the house from which it has been exppelled.
20. reciprocity
alexi   (08.27.09)
Olmert never demanded any concessions from the arabs other than vague formulations, all of the concessions had to be done by israel, aided and abetted by condi rice, or livni who suddenly had a vision. As Shmolmert offered more concessions, more rockets hit israel. You see the connection. Suddenly tractor terror or knife attacks in jeruslame and olmert and ramon offered e. jerusalem. Then ehud goes to anakara and erdogan presses him and he offers the golan in return for syria will know what israel wants. Bush asks Olmert how can you trust assad to which olmert is silent(you cannot trust assad). What do you mean returning golan, baidetz was totally wrong on what it would mean and besides, its it ancient israel not syrian. So reciprocity was shunned by olmert. Peace is one thing. Oppenheimer like ginsberg is deluded. The facts on unilateral concessions in gaza and lebanon are evident- a total failure and international support for revenge operations are little comfort.Peace without mutual concessions is a waste of time. Beyond all of this, how could you trust olmert who will be shortly indicted by mazuz after 3 years of giving him every chance to avoid it.Buying peace from olmert is like taking a knife into the jewish nation. Jews have a defect unlike others of wanting national suicide because they are like natura karta, they want to be tzimmis to the arabs.
21. For the sake of reciprocity
j. glasman ,   london   (08.27.09)
realy enjoyed this hilarious peice of art. most innocent article i ever read in my entire life.
22. Reciprocity is reciprocity is reciprocity.
one or zero   (08.27.09)
Reciprocity is reciprocity is reciprocity. period. Not only when convenient to implement it, to the advantage of one side only. Thanks for upload this important principle to the public discourse .
23. to Brad
Susan ,   kfar Saba   (08.27.09)
iT'S obvious that you are just an antisemite. All countries have the right to determine what their immigration laws will be. Some countries, like Germany, give preference to people with German ancestry. It's obvious that a lot of countries don't want their Jews, so Israel has decided to take in any Jew who wants to come. At the same time, many non-Jews live here, have equal citizenship and own their own homes. Judea and Samaria are disputed territories. If you had read history you would know that these areas were orginally intended by the League of Nations to become part of the future Jewish state. Nobody gave them to Jordan, they took it by force in a war in 1948 and kicked out the Jews who were there. In fact, all of Jordan was supposed to be part of Israel, then the British gave it to the Arabs. And why not talk about Saudi Arabia, a very racist state? Jews are forbidden by law to live there. Members of other faiths are forbidden by law to publically worship .You are so ignorant you don't even deserve this response. Anyone who is literate and wants to read more can read two books that I recommend. On is From Time Immorial by Joan Peters, the other is The Case for Israel by Alan Dershowitz. Get some education before you make baseless accusations.
24. To Brad from USA, Adam from London, etc.
Dan ,   Moscow   (08.27.09)
You know, what amazes me the most is the conviction you all speak with. None of you seem to have been to Israel and base your opinions on news you hear or books written by Israel haters. You have no evidence of your own, you have not been to Israel except maybe on a tourist visit and you have no knowledge of history of the region, nor of the legal system of Israel, nor of the structure of IDF, nor of that of the Israeli government. They don't show you this on television, unfortunately. It takes research and a lot of reading, and before you do it you are not entitled to an opinion. It's the same thing as me saying that in my opinion you are all idiots, which I cannot do since I do not have enough information on you. And taking someone else's opinion does not make you an expert, not to say that many 'experts' on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are biased, to say the least. So in short, you don't have any primary sources, and all your 'research' is based on secondary ones, which you didn't even bother to analyze. This is poor practice, not to say it results in hatred and racism. Think before you post, please, because no intelligent person will listen to you otherwise.
25. Brad from the USA
Yaron ,   USA   (08.27.09)
Your ignorance is only trumped by your insatiable desire to demonstrate that ignorance to all of us in this forum. Please crawl back into the hole of ignorance you came out of because you are just babling now.
26. To BRAD - see photos of Jews being thrown out of Jerusalem
Evidence   (08.27.09)
after the illegal Jordan takeover and occupation in 1948. The British soldiers just looked on and or helped with the eviction. So you see, all you antisemites have double standards. Evictions of Jews alway seem right and legal to you, but if God forbid and arab is evicted you scream bloody murder. http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/
27. Read #7, dear fellow screamers, I answered there...
Brad ,   USA   (08.27.09)
28. Oh, thanks for ALL answers that start and end with insults..
Brad ,   USA   (08.27.09)
It just shows people that I am right and you are wrong. In the meanwhile, answer very simple question: can a Chinese, for example, without a trace of Jewish ancestry, buy a house or a flat in the middle of Jerusalem and move there, without been forced to convert to Judaism or similar action? This is very simple question, because vice versa, Jew to China - YES, HE CAN. So, let's see if somebody here can answer very simply on this very simple question, without insults.
29. Racism, anti-Jewish racism is asking a Jew not to live in a
Golan, Open for LIfe   (08.27.09)
particular neighborhood. Sadly, the U.S. government is involved in this practice.
30. If Jews are expected not to build, so should be Arabs
Nancy ,   Halifax, NS Canada   (08.27.09)
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