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Religious Council: Don't buy Moroccan shofar
Yoav Zeitun
Published: 28.08.09, 09:40
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1. Just buy them already.
Josh   (08.28.09)
The "high holidays" are not in the book of Devarim. Did Moses as a prophet watched over by G-d just forget them before he died or is the only book written in the first person the "in-fact" correct book and the others have holidays illegally added to them? Maybe it is right and maybe it is wrong but why would we wait to the end of a year to address our sins and only after we have been judged, ask for leniency? Especially on a Babylonian calendar and not a true Hebrew calendar? It is the wrong day? It also seems incompatible with Hashem's I will repay him quickly "to his face" message. Repentance not ceremonies is the way to a less cursed life. It is not like this one day of self "affliction" as written (affliction a know illegal act in Torah) and kippah wearing (not written in by Moses) will stop the cheating or violence. Affliction is more a Muslim custom and blowing the shofar is more accurately in Hebrew history an announcement of an act of war. So who are we warring with? Heaven? Why in chose life would we dress in white to symbolize death? It seems similar to another Judeo creation, the executioners cross and a dead man than it does something the Hebrew would do. So just buy them already. If the fact that this holiday is not mentioned at the end of Moses life, then maybe G-d didn't create it and the horn quality or origins from another sinner doesn't matter as much as the sin of adding to Torah? Chose a blessing Israel and protect Torah from corruptions past and present.
2. Don't get it...
John ,   Europe   (08.28.09)
There was article here about Palestinian women knitting kippot... Is such kippah "unfit" and "disrespectful?" Also, this sentence: "It's disrespectful bringing a shofar made by an Arab on Shabbat into a synagogue"... that's racism.
3. #1 Josh: Advertisement for Conservative/Reform conversions
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4. #3 John/ Jewish law requires ritual objects to be prepared
Rafael   (08.28.09)
(1) according to the guidelines of Jewish law, (2) by a person who meticulously observes Jewish law themselves, and (3) with the specific intent for the ritual object being prepared to be used to fulfil a commandment of Jewish law (in other words, the main intention while preparing the object must not be a profit motive, but the Glory of G-d). Ritual objects that don't meet these requirements are invalid for a Jewish person to fulfil the commandment.
5. I didn't really notice the shofar, but
a yiddische mameh   (08.28.09)
I did notice a drop dead gorgeous young man....Nu? details! Only kidding, they're all maried and grand daughters way too young lol. Good Shabbos and a sweet year for us all.
6. Muslims pray 5 times/day on Chinese carpets
observer   (08.28.09)
Jews forbid what their G-d doesn't. Certainly, that's the cause of their prayers being not accepted.
7. I remember a religious friend telling
jason white ,   afula,israel   (08.28.09)
me about all the Teffilan and mazzuot written by arabs in the liberated territories. Those that sell these unkosher products and know that they are unkosher should sit in prison for ten years minimum. The same with the rabbis that do not check that all these products are kosher.
8. #4 Rafael
Lisa   (08.28.09)
isn't it more important that the person who USES the object is following the rules? I can think of a number of people in Jerusalem right now, who are definitely UNFIT to blow a shofar... This seems like looking for faults in anything- I doubt very much if Moses or God does care about this- as long as the Jew who is using it it a devote person and follows the scriptures...
9. #6 observer: Prov. 28.9!
(08.28.09)
10. You get what you pay for...
Some Jew   (08.28.09)
11. #2&#4 There are Arab Jews
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.28.09)
We must be more careful of our words. As #4 was suggesting, objects used in Judaic liturgy by goyim are not made with the proper holiness and, therefore, are not kasheir. Since these articles are kasheir when made by Torah-revering Arabs (or any other Torah-revering person of any genetic background), by definition this cannot be racist. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jewish & Goyim Torah-reverers www.netzarim.co.il
12. Rafael, #4 :)?
John ,   Europe   (08.28.09)
And why the hell then I am paying talit 139$ if that is only woven wool and is made "not for profit, but for Glory"? :) I am Jewish, you know, and I know that this is almost triple the price. :)
13. #10 Talk to Madeoff's victims
(08.28.09)
14. Fatwa like
Haider ,   Gothenburg, Sweden   (08.28.09)
It is refreshing to know that you people also have what moslims call FATWA. Good for you
15. Yes, Paqid #11, but...
John ,   Europe   (08.28.09)
That article stated that Muslim Arabs in West Bank are making kipot? I mean, I don't see no problem in this - I agree that it is the intention of a person using the object in focus, not a person who made an object. Hence, there was very known case in Morroco several years ago, where local shohet was discovered that he was selling camel meat as beef. And he did it quite a while, as far as I hear. Now, what would you say: would that person, who thought that meat is kosher, and ate it unknowingly, be punished by '' ? I believe no. So what if an Arab makes a kipah or shofar? It's like you say that you cannot enter synagogue if your shoes are not made in Israel?
16. Lisa , no more tears ?
Charles ,   Petach Tiikva   (08.28.09)
I tought some weeks ago that you told us you would not annoy us anymore , you were almost crying then as a baby . Not ashamed at all , poor , poor Lisa .
17. Lisa , shut up when you don't know about
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.28.09)
what you talk .I know someone in Europe right now , and right here , who is totally unfit to write here .
18. 3 , WRONG . It's advertisement for FAKE converts
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19. 11 . Objects used in Judaic liturgy by goyim
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.28.09)
You wrote . By you !
20. John , 12 . Because you are a "freier"
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.28.09)
who deserves to pay such price .
21. 11 paqid can tell you who is ok to be racist against
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (08.28.09)
"We must be more careful of our words"?? oh i see. if we look back at all of paqid's talkbacks, we can see who all is approved worthy to receive self-righteous hatred. yes paqid, people need to be more thoughtful about whom they spew racist words. and a fine example you set in this regard.
22. The Swedish person
m   (08.28.09)
When you have nothing intelligent to say silence is golden. What is the connection between fatwa and a non kosher Jewish artifact?
23. If you want it done right, do it yourself
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (08.28.09)
Some items require a certain "fitness" for ritual use, others not. A kippah is only a head covering. That's why one made by a Palestinian is OK, just as a baseball cap or a Fedora made by Gentiles is OK. They all serve the same purpose. But a shofar is a ritual object which must be made just right. Someone in China looking for something to make and sell neither knows nor cares about the legal requirements for its construction. Those who only want "cheap" often don't want to know that it may not be "kosher". That said, Chabad in the US a few years ago was distributing Chanukah candles made in China. Now it seems they are the only ones I can find.
24. John , shoes are NOT ritual objects
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.28.09)
A Shofar is , and a kippah is'nt it so much . There are differences you probably don't understand .
25. someone actually reads pakweed????
moi, non   (08.28.09)
26. shofar
colin   (08.28.09)
Has YNET become the advertising agent for the two Israeli shofar factories.The shofar mad ein Israel is overpriced.Poorly made.under grade quality. Prefer to by Morrocan or Chinese.
27. Makes you wonder if the food is really kosher too.
Nick Sporek ,   Jerusalem Israel   (08.28.09)
28. 21 No one. Issues aren't racist arguments
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.28.09)
Please learn the distinction between issues--including nationalism--and racism. Arguments based on race should always be invalidated: like the canard of relying on race for one's identity or slandering another's identity. Shabbat's coming. Until next week.
29. Ah, Charly, Charly, Charly...
John ,   Europe   (08.28.09)
It's been a long time, no? Still up to your "blood theories", eh? :)
30. Haider, 14, what about the Church of Sweden?
Darren ,   Oakland, CA   (08.28.09)
Doesn't it refuse to call unions between two homosexuals "marriages"? Isn't this also "fatwa like"? Every religious body issues injunctions that state what it approves and disapproves. The only religion, though, that approves cold-blooded murder is the one your government seems to be giving your country to hand-over-fist. PS- My mother was born in Sweden, I have uncles and cousins living there and I speak Swedish. I find it truly sad that what once was "Du Gamla, du Fria" has now become "Du Gamla, du Dhimmi".
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