1. "anger" at Israel from a classic Jew hater
"closely examined" the Jewish people? What a JERK!
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2. Incomplete sentence
Erdogan forgot to include the part about learning to value education, study hard, get excellent grades, go to a top-flight college or university, apply yourself diligently, skip the keg parties, don't cut classes, make Dean's List, be elected to Phi Beta Kappa, apply to an excellent graduate program -- including MBA programs, law school, medical school, architectural school, et cetera, et cetera -- keep your nose to the grindstone, graduate in the top one percent in your class -- and your career will take off from there.
Absent the foregoing, it was both a stupid and anti-Semitic remark.
With the foregoing, it is a neutral, if ill-conceived comment. It then becomes pretty much the same formula that any successful person follows. Jews represent a minuscule fraction of the world's population. We pretty much follow the formula, which accounts for our high representation in the professions and our high achievement levels.
No great conspiracies. No magic. Just a lot of hard work and determination to succeed.
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3. Not an anti-Semite?
He probably didn't want to offend the Jewish citizens this time, but his anti-Semite background causes him to make such silly and politically incorrect remarks.
"Closely examining the Jewish people"... strage eh?
| izi , |
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4. so stupid! jews buy homes and non-jews rent ;)
| uli , |
jerusalem |
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5. real side of the Turkish PM
Unfortunately the PM is a vicious antisemite, although he is trying convince everybody that he is not.
This speech is probably not well translated. He mentioned that the Jews do make money without working and continue enjoying the fruits of their inventions.
This speech was definitely not a speech of admiration. Yet his voters know very well that
Due to his background he is obsessed with Israel. He is a strong supporter of Hamas and has very close relations with the supporters of Al-Queda
| HM , |
Istanbul & Turkey |
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6. How is that considered anti-semitic?
He's fascinated by the progress of the jews, and asking the students to follow the foosteps of the jews in those 2 aspects. He's actually praising the jews, by quotes taken from his jewish friend. Why media plays with words in such a dirty manner, that makes words speak 1000 meanings, i really can't understand.
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7. TYypical anti-semitic crap..hear it all the time
"I hate the Jewish nation/people but I have Jewish friends"...Typical Bull shit coming out of the mouth of an anti-semite.
No small wonder Turkey is a shit hole.
Hey dumb nut take a look at history.
Any country that allows Jews to prosper becomes a rich country..
Any country that suppresses Jews becomes a shit hole.
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8. Turkey's Erdogan and the Jews
It is a classical case of believing in stereotypes of the Jews. Clearly, however, Erdogan has harmed the Turkish Jewish Community-and is determined to destory Turkish-Israeli ties. Turkey should grant independence to its Kurds. They must have their own state and Turke must compensate the Armenians for the genocide it committed.
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9. criticizing Jewish actions should not be anti-semtic
Criticizing because someone is Jewish is anti-semtic but being against their actions is not per say.
Anyone who is critical of Israel now days is said to be anti-semtic, even Jews.
So are the Jews criticizing Obama are anti-america? or anti-Christian for call Obama a Muslim?
| Bloodyscot , |
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10. Learn from the Turks how to
Ployder
When someone gave a made up answer and just babbled in Yeshiva our Magid Shiur used to say "Du ployderst vi ah Turk"
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11. Admiration: Good Businessman best trained working for Jews
I know many Turkish business man who worked as appreantice or office boy for Jewish merchans when they were young. Almost all became good merchants, biggest Merchants of Turkey years later. Therefore for those who had desire to learn, working for Jewish merchants is a good school.
However Erdogan's understaning of this real estate issue is incomplet,
First Jews sometimes buy real estate, despite it is rarer.
When a jewish merchant buys real estate they invest in an asset non operating therefore it is not profitable.
But that is only one side. Jewish merchants does not want to bind their money to fixed assets which cannot be carried with them when they should leave the said country. So they put their money on only mobile assets which may be carried with them everywhere. That is so for centuries.
Personally I also got some lessons from Jewish merchants...
good lessons. They have thousands years of commercial and businesss experience and traditions unlike us-we do not have.
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12. Anti Sems usually got Jews+ ISRAELon brain-ask our AS Poster
They are obsessed with Jews and Israel .
Just do a survey of the regular Anti Semites who post here and on JP and Ha Aretz ... Always same old stories from them
If its just Zionists and Israel why has beatings of Jews and Antisemitism increasede in World ..If it was Medieval times you would see Inquisitions etc .
Be with me -that Turkish Islamic lot are both. And they want to MEDIATE -makes me cry ,not laugh!!
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13. Perhaps Jews don't buy houses in Turkey for a reason
With this government in power, they don't know how long they would be allowed to own property and when it would be confiscated , like in other muslim countries. Therefor they prefer more liquid assets easy to transport and move on a short notice.
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14. I guess he never met jewish women
they r lousy with money.
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15. an arab opinion
stupid choice of words by MR.Erdogan,the jews are free-thinkers and gave the world so many greats like Baruch spinoza,carl marx and albert einstein.we arabs and muslims did not contribute any thing positive for the past 800 hundred years,muslim rulers humilated one of their best thinkers at that time IBN RUSHID{averroes}they burned his books painted his face black mounted him on a donkey and draged him all over town to be spit at by the common people,not a single arab and muslim university is listed on the top 200,israel has 3 0n the list,1400 hundred years ago when the muslims army invaded egypt a message was send to them by caliph omar al-khatab burn down the famous alexandria library,we muslims our mission on earth is to convert the world to islam,so we all can be equally stu*@d.
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16. #7 Aren't you the real racist and ignorant here?
Your racism made you say 'Turkey is a shit hole' just because you don't like Erdogan. FYI, Erdogan doesn't like ethnic Turks either, because ethnic Turks are secular and nationalists, but Erdogan is religious and of Georgian origin, he only identifies himself as Muslim. 65 percent of Turkish voters voted against Erdogan, but you don't know this and generalise all Turks with your racism.
As for allowing Jews live and prosper, you must take a look at history:
-Ottoman Empire saving Jews from Spanish Christian Inquisition,
-Republic of Turkey saving Jews from France, Greece, Poland and Germany in 1930s and during WWII,
But, your racism and ignorance stops you from seeing this reliaties.
As for Erdogan, he and his religious&political sect harm Turks the most, but this sect is strongly supported by the US and the EU.
As for Turkish-Israeli relations, as a Turk, I could no longer trust Israel, we are not enemies for sure, but no longer friends either.
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17. Erdogan closely examined Jewish people-LOL
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18. Read his lips
It's not the words that make a man an anti-Semite, it's the intent behind the words. What we have seen from this racist, fascist, hateful man, anything coming from his mouth is no doubt - anti-Jewish. The moral imperative of Israel's Gaza operation is so blatant, that anyone that reacted like this man, is hateful to the bone.
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Jerusalem, Israel |
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19. Turkey
in the last 3 year things are moving in wrong directions in turkey
| edy burak , |
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20. jews real estate
I'm a large real estate investor and he's a dumb ass or the article is written incorrectly. Jews who build wealth BUY investment property and rent it out. People who build zero wealth rent those properties all their lives.
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21. And the dumb part of this story is that
we spend our money in Turkey.There are other placeses too go for holidays in this world.The Turks just want our money.They write on there shop doors.NO ISRAELI CHILD KILLERS ARE WELCOME IN OUR SHOP.Soo why go there ?
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22. And What Stereotype About Turks Should We Learn?
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23. #16, and yet when I asked Turks what thought about Erdogan.
they told me that they were thrilled by his election. Those people were in NY, not Turkey, all professionals, well educated and I thought secular.
Explain that.
BTW, why do you state that you no longer trust Israel? As I see it, it is Turkey that betrayed the supposed friendship between the countries, not Israel. Israel even supported Turkey against the Armenian (just) claims of genocide, while Turkey turned on Israel.
I still remember Israelis rushing first with people, doctors, medicine, and equipment to help when you suffered an earthquake.
What have the Turks done for the Jews since the 16 century --and even then your help wasn't without strings attached and not without self-interest?
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24. erdogan like goldstone
Erdogan says jews are good in business like goldstone who says he loves in israel. One says israel knows well how to kill( he sh ould know- he butchers kurds) the other says israel had no reason to target food plants since i n his wisdom, no haams was hiding there. How on earth would goldstone know that =how could he prove that hamas was not there.
Since 2003, Erdogan has paid this con game with his nice suit and words, al the while preaching allah akbar and railing aginast ataturk and israel. Now it is out in the opene. Yet olmert kissed his ass. Now Israel has to distance itself from Turkey as they are in bed with assad passing all israel's secrets to him.
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25. # 23 Your claims are themselves reasons for distrust.
-A bunch of New Yorker Turks are the representatives of all 70 million Turks? So, is that why you ignore 65 percent of Turks(tens of millions of Turks) who voted against Erdogan? FYI, even Christian Armenians in Turkey vote for Erdogan, or some religious Kurds vote for Erdogan, all have their own reasons and benefits.
- If Israeli administrations believe Armenian genocide claims, they should go for it. Believing one thing and doing another is not honesty and not friendship either. We as Turks don't need that. FYI, read professional historians, not lobby groups. Read historians Guenter Lewy, Bernard Lewis, Avigdor Levy, Norman Stone, Justin McCarthy, Gilles Wienstien and many other historians who researched Ottoman, British, French, Russian, German archives and concluded that 1915 events were not genocide. These historians' works are much more objective, accurate and professional than a bunch of Armenian Dashnak or former ASALA fighter lobby groups.
-Israel's help in 1999 earthquake was appreciated but it is much less than you claim, it was only a tiny help as a gesture.
-Turks helped and saved Jews from Spanish inquisition; from Nazi policies in 1930s; from Nazis and Nazi collaborators Europeans from France, Greece, Germany, Poland during WWII. You are now claiming that Turks did for their self-interest, so please explain how Turkish diplomats risked their and their family's lives to save hundreds of Jews from Europe and one Turkish diplomat's pregnant wife was butchered for this save? For his self-interests? Turks saved Jews from death camps for what? Your claims are becoming ugly.
These are the exact reasons why I could no longer trust Israel as a partner. Friendship must be based on honesty, knowledge, appreciation, not only benefits.
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26. DISGUSTING TURKEY
ERDOGAN, TURKISH PREMIER, TOLD PERES THAT ISRAEL KNOWS ABOUT KILLING. WHAT A DISGUSTING HYPOCRITE. IT IS IN FACT TURKEY THAT KNOWS ABOUT KILLING.
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27. Erdogan
The famos Physician DR Erdogan,closly examined the Jewish people,especially,their pocket,Diagose:Full.
Jewish people ! Expect a High bill from DR Erdogan.
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28. I understand now that erdogan is just an igorant buffoon
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29. #23
God you are so right Jews in turkey can't say what they think about Israel they must not show support to Israel this Islamic republic of turkey will get to a lot of truble in future supprting Iran and Hamas and Syria .
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30. Its illuminating to read HM Post @ #5.He explains it well
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