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Easy work in US malls just got harder
Adv. Tsvi Kan-Tor
Published: 21.10.09, 07:52
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1. GOOD
hakim ,   usa   (10.21.09)
They annoy the $%^& out of me...
2. I have seen these kids in action... abhorrent behavior
Lama Aliti ,   Netanya, Israel   (10.21.09)
The merchandise is marked up 500%. You can find it cheaply on ebay. The kid exude a superior attitude... which they bring with them... and treat American customers not much better than they treat Arabs. And woe to the customer who asks a question while one of them is on the phone, typically talking nonsense with friends. When they are off, they travel in packs, leave no tips, and look for ways to get Green Cards. The Israeli overseers earn the big money. Shut the door on this embarrassment. It's no wonder there is anti-Israel sentiment in the world after one encounters these kids.
3. Hakim
Beth ,   hadera   (10.21.09)
From the sound of your name you probably annoy the ... out of Americans also. As all of the arabs like to say to Israelis "Go back to where you came from"-
4. "Lama Aliti" = good question. SCRAM BACK!
The Doc   (10.21.09)
Although all Jews are welcome to Israel, some self-hating scum better stay with their Islamo-Leftist lovers abroad - just like yourself. So to your question of "Lama Aliti?" I have a few answers: 1. Dreams of easy money from the gov? 2. Runing away from US unemployment? These answers of course apply to YOU and others like you. A true Jew doesn't ask himself this question since to most of us, the answer is obvious: "We came to Israel because this ia RETURNING HOME, and if we don't like what our home looks like, we work together to IMPROVE it, not impotently and maliciously moan about this like YOU do." So no, we do not need lazy scum like you here - Jew or not. Better go back to your ideal country and complain there because your kind ALWAYS complains of something. Complaining is always easier than DOING, isn't it?
5. #3 Beth
G ,   Toronto   (10.21.09)
Why the aggression? I am an Israeli Jew and I can tell you that the Israeli mall kids annoy the crap out of me too. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and there is no need to make it bigger than it is.
6. #4
G ,   Toronto   (10.21.09)
You sound insulted. I'm not sure why. There are many native born Israelis that when I told them I wanted to come back to ISrael they thought I was crazy and could not understand. Everyone has their circumstances, dreams and ideas of what they want. I'm not sure anyone has the moral authority to tell them that they are not true Jews or that they should go back to wherever they came from. In my opinion, a *true* Jew should be someone kind and giving and care about the people around them. How many true Jews (in your definition) would that disqualify?
7. #5 "G" Toronto: Hakim's is a known racist around here...
A, Jerusalem   (10.21.09)
...hence the feedback he gets. He is not annoyed because how they behave - he's annoyed because they are Israelis - don't make any mistakes here. He is a racist and has been making racist posts ever since he came to our forum. Like you, he has a good reason of being here, in a forum 4000 miles away from his stated "address". And ss a "Canadian" you surely understand what "racism" and "hatred" means, eh?
8. #1 Even better than you think, Hakim!
Proud Redneck ,   OH, USA   (10.21.09)
There are 10s of 1000s of Muslims "working" illegally in the US, being used as terror hotbed by organizations such as CAIRS and crazed mosque preachers across the USA! The fewer of this scum, the better for everybody! Israelis "mall rats" are not involved in any kind of terror and do not plot for destroying the American democracy and Constitution, so I don't mind them being here at all! If the products they sell and prices are reasonable I buy from them. If not, I simply ignore them. At least I can turn my back at them without the fear of being stabbed.
9. Here in Quebecstan I never came across these kids
Al   (10.21.09)
I guess they dont speak French so they dont apply. Come to think of it the last time I saw a pack of Israeli kids was at the local IGA where they were speaking loudly actually they were screaming at eachother like a pack of crazed druggies. Oh such naches from the new 'ISRAELI JEW'. Ben Gurion would be so proud. No small wonder Israelis abroad are generally ignored.
10. Silly Doc
Lama ANI Aliti ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (10.21.09)
Doc! You sound soooo naive! Plenty naive Olim come thinking that Israel WANTS them or NEEDS them. Surprise! It's not quite like that! Even experienced professionals and senior people have trouble fitting in professionally and socially. Do YOU think you are improving things here? Do you even speak enough Hebrew to understand "Ata Lo Telamed Oti!"??? You'll find out...
11. However if you are an al queda terrorist
jason white ,   afula,israel   (10.21.09)
from saudi arabia, then they will welcome you with open hands and open cockpits. What about all the pakis, nigerians and others? Does the UScis try to stop them? Or just Israelis.Many also have dual U.S. and Israeli citizenship. Real birth certificates from the U.S. that they can show, not like some floppy eared politician.
12. #6 You sound too pompous to preach around here...
The Doc   (10.21.09)
...sorry. I am sure there are many places in Toronto where you can practice your demagogies Mister "G". In my opinion, a *true* "Canadian"should be someone kind and giving and care about the people around them, and above all, avoid racist inuendos and sticking their running noses into somebody else's affairs. How many true Canadians would that disqualify, eh? In fewer words: scram back to Canada and free us of your pompous preaches - you are as rotten as all the "guests" who care to come in our home and spit their racism at us. I am sure that you have many more "friendly" forums to visit and spew your hatred against Israel and Jews than infesting ours. Nice having you with us and even nicer seeing you leaving. Do let the door hit you on your way back, and ... regards to Hakim!
13. Plenty of work for them in UK malls.I know many Israelis who
Anthony Herzberg ,   London   (10.21.09)
work in the UK shopping centres. The British pound has been almost twice the dollar for years, right now it is 60 cents to one pound. So more money is to be made here, which is probably why there are so many Israelis here. Immigration don't seem to bother, they are easy targets to get deported and fine employers but rarely, if ever, happens.
14. To the brain dead...
Mikeasilor ,   Miami, FL   (10.21.09)
On these talkbacks, the point of tje artcle is that Israeli 'tourists' will no llonger be able to violate their visas and work in the US. Also, the employers will no longer be able to cheat by using special work visas to employ these wayward Israelis. Yet, somehow, the story is twisted by Israelis apparently thinking the article is concerning Israeli immigration laws abd regulations. Are you really that dumb or are you just too self-absorbed ? I am sure the next response will be that the US is anti-semitic because it is trying to enforce its own laws.
15. Israeli Vendors
Marty ,   Toronto Canada   (10.21.09)
This summer we were on vacation in a small town in Virginia and came across one of these kids in the only enclosed mall in town. Needless to say the local Jewish population was minimal. When the kid approached my wife and I to sell his products - I answered him in Hebrew. My wife and I ended up speaking with the kid for 5 or 10 minutes. The impression I got was not one of arrogance but rather that the poor kid was homesick.
16. #1 hakim
(10.21.09)
i suppose you are a muslim!!!! well, now. let me tell you that jews and israelis come here to work, decent folks. none of them was found to be a terrorist islamic murderer and none ever plotted to bomb malls in the usa or government building, tunnels, etc... just this month the fbi found two huge islamic cells in the usa, one in ohio, the other in new york....all your islamic friends that live here. THEY WERE ALL TERRORISTS, EVEN AN IMAM FROM A BIG MOSQUE. i would rather have israeli jews annoy me than bomb me and my family and dirty my usa streets with their violence, backwardness and murder. point said. now, why don't you go back to arabia. you muslims have diwscovered nothing and done nothing for the usa or its advancement, while jews and israelis here have prospered, are huge ceo and scientists and extremely sucessful bankers, business people and professors, doctors, lawyers, etc... they also get the most nobel prizes while you muslims don't even recognize a century past the 9th one. who are you to talk. hameed aboughze, iranian
17. #14
(10.21.09)
correctly, there aRE 15 MILLION ILLEGAL MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS IN THE USA, WORKING 24/7, TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM THE THE LEGAL USA CITIZEN AND RESIDENT. this 15 million is creating an income of 30 billion dollars, underground income where TAXES ARE NOT PAID, MONEY SENT TO MEXICO TO SUPPORT FAMILY MEMBERS, MONET NOT DECLARED. ALL THESE MEXICAN ILLEGALS ARE HIRED BY USA COMPANIES AND BOSSES AS CHEAP LABOUR SO THAT THE COMPANY CAN MAKE MUCH MORE MONEY THAN IF THEY USED THE "WHITE MAN" TO DO THE SAME JOB. THESE EMPLOYERS ARE VIOLATING THE USA LAW OF IMMIGRATION AND WORK ETHICS. i think that should concern you much much more than a few israeli mall rats who earn a dollar here or there, their employer pays the taxes of their earnings, and then they go back to israel. need i mention that these israeli jewish mall rats have never been found to bomb a mall or plan jihad in the usa???? unlike the muslims that live and work here.....note in case....both in n.y. and ohio, muslim terror cells just discovered with horrenduous plans to kill, maim and murder....PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. SO, leave these poor israeli sould alone. they are just kids. that is all. they want to make a few dollars. so what? go compalin about the illegal 15 million mexicans living and employed here under the radar. hameed aboughaze, iranian
18. #15 and all of the talkbacks
(10.21.09)
i have been living in the usa for many many years. i also come from the middle east, an arab country. many times i have been in malls all over the united states and met with these children that were teenagers or after military service. THEY WERE VERY NICE. THEY WERE MISSING THE FAMILY BACK HOME. THEY WANTED TO SEE THE WORLD AND WORK A LITTLE BIT FOR EXTRA MONEY. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?????????? they are not rude at all. as a matter of fact, they were so nice and answerted all my questions and also we ended up talking about the middle east, etc... they were polite, clean, nice and handsome and very friendly. maybe some of you met one that is impolite, but i met a lot of them and they were really charming and a breath of fresh air. hameed aboughaze, iranian
19. oh no!
suzie ,   kansas   (10.22.09)
who's going to straighten my hair now when I'm at the mall? i'll miss the hotties.
20. Malls
Marilyn ,   USA   (10.22.09)
I bought something from an Israeli who was at the mall last year. She seemed friendly and talked about how she liked being here.
21. #2 Young Israelis I meet in US
Cynthia ,   USA   (10.22.09)
They're charming and engaging. Sounds like you made up 100% of your post just to be spiteful. If you did not make it up, then you're a nosy stalker and your behavior should be highly suspect. If these kids have a work visa, seek seasonal work and are typically hired by family or friends, then what is the big deal? An employer is entitled to hire who they want.
22. U all missing the point: Obama squeezing & squeezing...
It's 'Again'   (10.22.09)
No more Israeli kids to USA....arrest of US scientist even though the FBI approached him.... memos to Abbas that Obama personally 'disgusted' with Israel..... look at the WHOLE picture, people. Obama is turning up the heat on Israel culturally, diplomatically, politically, and soon militarily. You think it wasn't a message from Brezinzski about shooting down IAF jets over Iraq?! .... and ... who voted and funded Obama? Hmm....? We're digging our own graves. 'Again'.
23. What's the diff between Israeli illegal workers and...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (10.22.09)
...other illegal workers? Illegal is illegal, and other illegals are treated far worse when caught.
24. #22 you are so right
Gail ,   Israel   (10.22.09)
25. The Doc , Haifa
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.22.09)
Olim from western countries generally do not receive an Agora from the governement here . I received only the plane ticket [ i did'nt even know that before ] 6 months free health care and a year 90 % reduction on the Arnona . And no "bituach Leumi" either .
26. Lama Aliti & lama ani aliti
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.22.09)
You , in Jerusalem . If you come to Israel thinking that you will immediately receive a high paid job , welcomed as if you're the only who can do this , you're wrong . It's not easy , you have to begin at a lower place . You in Nethanya , i'm so sorry for you , to be so unhappy here , a sad life for you . I'm also an Ole Chadash , since 8 years . With all the problems we face , we all the things i don't like here , there is something you can't have anywhere in the world : HERE we are at HOME
27. #25 That's because...
The Doc   (10.22.09)
...compared to olim coming from E EU, RU or ME/FE/NA, olim from W countries are considered to be educated, a bit more financially stable and integrate faster. As you say, GENERALLY they don't receive $ but some do, depending on their situation. I take it that you were among the luckier ones (financially) and did not really need the $ from the gov. Anyway, coming here with a bad attitude (like the "Lama (Ani) Aliti" gang) and then complaining about not getting a job (most likely BECAUSE of this attitude) and spewing venom against Israel (adding racist slurs for good measure), is a good indicator of why this scum cannot get a job. Oh and BTW, I am a W country ole too, and did not get any $ when I came and did not bring a fortune with me either, but nevertheless, I built a company which has been providing food on the table to many sabres and olim families.
28. #10 Arrogant "Lama ANI Aliti"
The Doc   (10.22.09)
You think you are so SMART! "Ata lo telamed oti"! (you will not teach me). I do speak mucho Hebrew, I bet mucho better than you - or at least, I enjoy it more than you seem to! What a pompous and arrogant prick to assume that you cannot learn anything from anybody! That may explain why it is so difficult for you to FIND A JOB! AMOF, it is EXACTLY YOUR type I will never hire at my company! The more I read your comments, the more you sound like the Israelis who WORK at those malls - if you hate their attitude so much I wonder what you feel about yourself! And yes, I DO improve things around here: my company sells abroad, bringing in $$ and feeding quite a few families - many of them immigrants. Thanfully, they are nearly nothing like you! So take a good advice this time - with this attitude of yours, you will never find a job in Israel or in any other civilized country. But maybe there are some open positions at the Palestinain propaganda office - you will be more than welcome there! At a second thought, you may even work there already!
29. Obama please stop this awful tridition!!
Michael ,   Jerusalem   (10.22.09)
These young after army good guys go and see only money in their eyes and bring such a baf reputation for Israel.
30. #29 Bad English and bad-mouthing brings more bad reputation
(10.22.09)
...than people who actually WORK hard (and these post-army guys do work hard) to earn a living! Your post is a great example bad English and bad-mouthing! As such, it did not contribute much to the discussion - if at all.
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