Opinion  Sever Plocker
A thorn in the world’s side
Sever Plocker
Published: 03.11.09, 18:19
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1. Comment
Mohammad ,   Jordan   (11.03.09)
Its quite sad how some people can act in a very stupid way. All individuals should be treated with respect and judged by their own charchter, not by the politics of their country.
2. Welcome to my world, Mr. Plocker.
ben Ish   (11.03.09)
Like I've been saying for two years now. The decision has already been made against Israel. Bibi and Ehud need to act now. There is just not going to be any support either way, no matter what. So sorry. They need to admit that Israel insists on existing even though the world says "No." It's not just the Persians, Arabs, Wahhabi. It is the consensus of the entire supra-national group. Yes this includes US interests as well. What Sever is pointing out is the proof of my claims all along.
3. Israels name is sinking.
Alfie ,   Afula,Israel   (11.03.09)
Yes ok ,but what do you suggest as possible solutions. I feel that these "hit and run" articles are a waste of time unless the writer devotes at least some of his article to suggesting solutions.
4. yes sir ...end
shefa   (11.03.09)
5. The author is "preoccupied with nonsense."
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (11.03.09)
His problem is that he won't be invited to so many well paid conferences.
6. No YOU are the hostile element
Menshona   (11.03.09)
YOU are the nonsense you plocker
7. Well Spoken Mr. Plocker
World Citizen ,   the world   (11.03.09)
8. sigh of relief
Dafer ,   haifa   (11.03.09)
i for one would have loved to be a part of everything israeli , never hurt anyone ,law obident ,have many jewish friends , but israel and most of israel does not feel the same towards me as a citizen of this coutry , and thus i have been treated with extra ordinary unfarnes in almost all of my daily encounters with anything israeli , iam so sorry to say this ,but yes israel is a racist country which does not want me in the land were i eas born ,and my parents and grandparents and on and on , and i hope israel pays heavily for what it is causing me and and many others like me , i hope the world wakes up to this cruelty i and many other law obiding people like me are facing in this country , and i hope israel wakes up soon and realizes , the world is not thier enemy ,but the world is just looking for peace and quiet which israel clearly does not want . and i hope YNET does not senser my talkback ,
9. Israel becoming racist state
Adam ,   Canada   (11.03.09)
In recent years, Israel has taken a hard turn to the right which is full of parties with borderline racist views. The World has reacted accordingly and Israel is slowly fast becoming a pariah state. Nothing will change until Israeli society wakes up from its slumber and realizes that voting right-wing racist parties into power will not lead the country anywhere.
10. plocker
alexi   (11.03.09)
Israel has choices. She could do what you want and olmert did. Curry favor, withdraw from gaza, lose to hezbollah, allow rockets to enter from gaza and don't complain, feel good about the quartet approval of israeli actions even as rockets and tractors kill israelis. Like the world will protect israel. You, Olmert and beilin make me sick with your chamberalin genes.
11. Israel is the cause of the worlds problems.
Simon ,   UK   (11.03.09)
That is what British Academics will tell you. If only you (Jews) sorry Israelis would lie down and die then world conflict will go away. The palestinians would have freedom, Iran would then embrace the west and we would live in a perfect world. Look this is how its always been Jews are subservient that is there rightfull place in the world. What's even more sad is that there are many Jewish academics that believe this also. Perhaps the answer to this is to invite Israels Jewish population to come and live in the UK. After all the British left feel a responsibility to see Israel destroyed.
12. You can't let them scare you off
Suzy ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (11.03.09)
You'll never be able to get through to the Israel-haters, but you may reach a few of the remaining sane people in the UK. However, you are wrong that the problem is Bibi. Hostile protests were held against Olmert in the States - and he offered the Palestinians everything. The same with your friend, who called for a return to the '67 borders and was still ostracized by his colleagues.
13. It's like blaming the woman for being raped
seisen ,   NY USA   (11.03.09)
Don't blame Israel or its actions for the raw anti-semitism that has always been there. Europe and the world allowed 6 million Jews to be killed, the culmination of 2000 years of anti-semitism. Don't be fooled into thinking that this went away in only 60 years. The obsessive criticism of ONLY Israel, the double standards that Israel faces on every front is not Israel's fault -- call it what it is, RAW anti-semitism cloaked in legitimate criticism of Israel. Any legitimate criticism must be put in context and must be relative to actions by other nations from Sri Lanka, Russia, China, U.S. and a long list more. You don't prosecute the black person and let the white people go free stating it doesn't matter what the white people did, only worry about what you did. This is discrimination and it happens daily to Israel. DON'T be apologetic, no other country faces the hatred of 50+ other countries at once (Muslim nations) simply for being Jewish. Call those Brits what they are -- BIGOTS.
14. Darfer
Jennie ,   NYC   (11.03.09)
Poor, poor Dafer ! Do you realize, that Israeli borders are wide open to let you leave at any time to stop your suffering of extraordinary cruelty by Israel. You will definately find your peace and quiet there...Too bad you couldn't come up with any facts about your miserable life....
15. Left are Perceived as Weak, Silly!
John ,   Toronto, Canada   (11.03.09)
"The fact I openly expressed leftist views was to no avail."...says it all.
16. Sever you are wrong
JK ,   NYC USA   (11.03.09)
Since as you well said in order to accept you they want you to be against the Balfour declaration, you could understand that when they wanted you to be against holding Gaza and the west bank they were also against the Balfour declaration, just that at the moment they were able to extract from you something so they did. Now that you understand that they don't want you as an independent Jewish State your conclusion should have been that the government of Israel should be even stronger in its positions. Furthermore you say that we face illegitimacy and not being recognized by the nations? Our right to the land is a Go-dly one based in the Bible, which is our only and real strength. We deserve the land regardless of what the others think. Be strong, show that you don't cave in and you will be admired. Chazak veematz
17. Plotzker is right
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (11.03.09)
but who to blame? The previous Kadima regime leaders Olmert, Livni and Barak who lost two wars, destroyed the lives of 10000 Jews, subjected Arabs of Gaza to the rule of Hamas and the Arabs of Lebanon to the rule of Hezbolla. It is not for nothing that Goldstone called this troika war criminals. Fortunately Israel ejected these three and now Netanyahu is busy clearing the mess they made.
18. Blaming the victim
Emir   (11.03.09)
Do you honestly think that anyone honestly cares about the Palestinians? There are many other more serious conflicts in the world that no one has even heard of. The opposition, as you state is to the very existence of Israel. I for one am not willing to dry up and blow away.
19. # 3
Dafer ,   haifa   (11.03.09)
wouldnt you have called the writer a self hating jew if he were to recommend an end to the occupation ?
20. you're right
ecr   (11.03.09)
but for the wrong reasons and reasoning. the world hates us because we stand for ONE G-d .The nations want to live according to their own rules and we have the Torah. When we don't live accordingly our enemies lord over us and the opposite.
21. you're right
ecr   (11.03.09)
but for the wrong reasons and reasoning. the world hates us because we stand for ONE G-d .The nations want to live according to their own rules and we have the Torah. When we don't live accordingly our enemies lord over us and the opposite.
22. Stay home, Sever
BR ,   Jerusalem Israel   (11.03.09)
I agree with your friends. Anyone who has such a negative impression of his home country should not lecture abroad and spread his negativity.
23. Mr. Plocker...
Jennie ,   NYC   (11.03.09)
If you are certain, that Israel has a right to exist as the Homeland for the Jewish people, you should go to UK and repsented your counttry with pride...Even if you'll be the little voice of truth in the ocean of islamic lying propaganda, it will be worth it... Remember, that Israel will only face destruction, if it will need to open the door to millions of arabs, who have fabricated a "right" to return to Israel, rather then to a Palestinian state...When defending Israel, one only needs to stick to a pure chronology of events and actions against your Homeland by the terrorists & their leaders, whose only agenda is the innihilation of Israel...
24. Read Your Own Article
TSB ,   Clifton, NJ USA   (11.03.09)
Our sages ob"m had a perfect expression to describe this article: He prophesied, but he does not know what he prophesied. Acc,. to the article it makes no difference how leftist one is, or if one is willing to vacate every last inch of territory captured in 1967 tomorrow. The "world' simply wants to wipe away Israeli. (IMO, that is grossly exxagerated, but that is what he said.) This is precisely what the right wing has been saying for years: Tel Aviv is just as much "occupied territory" as Hevron. The other side wants to dismantle Israel in toto. So therefore what? Israel should commit suicide? Accept that you are not going to appease the anti-Semites no matter what. Be proud of what you are stop the self-delusion.
25. "The fact I openly expressed leftist views was to no avail."
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (11.03.09)
Well, who didn't see THAT coming! We're witnessing a pattern well covered by Kenneth Levin, psychiatrist and historian in "The Oslo Syndrome: Delusions of a People Under Siege". Levin describes how Jews, first confronting the challenge of modernity, internalized the libels of their Christian critics, and worked to "better" themselves by adopting the routes of assimilation, secularization, even conversion. So too does he show how many of our own internalize the libels against present day Israel and, in the end, make common cause with our enemies. Plocker and these leftists fits that pattern to a tee. It's always Israel that's in the wrong. Like those in 1977 who insisted Israeli voters made the "wrong choice" by choosing Begin, Plocker says Israel was wrong to choose Netanyahu. "Indeed you are the smallest of peoples", it says in Deuteronomy 7:7, and remain expendable in the world's eyes. Today Israel is the "Jew" among the nations. It's our very existence that troubles them. The problem is not with us; it's with them.
26. To make the world happy you need to lie down and die
Dan ,   USA   (11.03.09)
Is that what you want?
27. So the UK hates the Jews. Big deal! Expect more emigrres!
Cathy ,   USA   (11.03.09)
28. Those who hate the Jews hurt themselves
Sam ,   USA   (11.03.09)
So, relax, create, study, and enjoy. Everybody hates everybody. The Estonians hate the Russians, the Georgians hate the Russians, the Croats hate the Serbs, the Armenians hate the Turks, etc..etc..relax...this is the world we are living in. You cannot force anyone to love/like you.
29. jennie
Dafer ,   haifa   (11.03.09)
i know this is what you and the evil zionists wish for , is for me and my people the palestinians to leave our homeland , but guess what ?OVER MY DEAD BODY.. and i will defenatly give you one example of my misery , is that iam forced to live with zionists like you in my forfathers land
30. israel's isolation
lee alan ,   Bronx New York   (11.03.09)
The Torah tells us that Israel shall dwell alone. It is difficult for us but that is the way it is. We have enemies who are interested in our destruction no matter what we do. I doubt the world of English Academia hates us because of anything we did. They were extremely frustrated that so few Jews got killed in Gaza and that is why they are so angry.
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