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Lieberman: What have Arabs done for Palestinians?    Roni Sofer
1. The Real Question is...
What CAN Arabs do for the Palestinians? Israel has a leash over the Palistinians lives and territories (that Israel illegally occupies and builds on). It's impossible for Arabs to send help when Israel actively holds a blocade on Gaza. And getting help to the West Bank without being shot by an IDF soldier/tank "by mistake" is also risky. The best the Arabs can do is support the Palestinians and advocate for the acceptance of the 2002 Arab Peace Plan (which Israel has yet to agree to).
Addle ,   Toronto   (11.10.09)
2. #1 - Addle, Better to keep your mouth shut...
... and let everybody think you're a fool than to open it up and remove all doubt. There are about 5 Million people that self-identify as Palestinians living outside of Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Of those 5 Million people, about 4 Million live in Arab countries- mostly as second-class citizens. If you actually knew the facts regarding this conflict, you would know that a Palestinian living under "Israeli occupation" has more rights than a Palestinian living in an Arab country. You would probably also know that they have more rights now "under Israeli occupation" than they did under British, Turkish and Egyptian rule. This is probably news to you, but a Palestinian state has never existed and a Palestinian people ethnically and culturally distinct from a Syrian, Lebanese or Jordanian people doesn't exist. The term Palestinian is a shortened version of the phrase "Arab refugees from the British Mandate of Palestine" and Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and the British Mandate of Palestine were all colonialist creations of the British and French after they defeated the Turks. You, sir, are an idiot. Keep your mouth shut before I have to shut it for you.
Joe ,   Ramat Gan   (11.10.09)
3. ohhhhhh ,breaks my heart
the sweet and big hearted liberman , wants the best for the palestinians , iam defenatly convinced
(11.10.09)
4. I agree, Addle.
However, as long as the Arab corrupt kings and puppet governments continue to be supported by the West and continue to run modern Arab political affairs, it is less likely that they will be able to assist the Palestinians. The Arabs have accepted the Saudi-initiated Arab Peace Plan of 2002. Now, it is time for the Israelis to accept it as well.
Noor ,   Palestine   (11.10.09)
5. :: Addle - Well put
Very true Addle, for to long now Israel has played the old game of blaming everyone else for its own problems. The issue here is not whether other Arab countries are doing enough for the Palestinians the issue here is that Israel is doing nothing to end the brutal and illegal occupation of the Palestinian and their land. Its a bit like a violent criminal bemoaning the fact that local neighbors didn't do enough to help the family of the house that he has broken into, pilfered, ransacked and squatted.
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (11.10.09)
6. #1, Addie, are you seriously that ignorant?
Gaza is blockaded by Egypt, not Israel. Egypt decided to keep the border closed. Israel has some employees from Gaza and tons of aid and fuel come from Israel. I dont think anything comes from Egypt but bombs and other smuggled things. Think before you speak.
David ,   Boston, USA   (11.10.09)
7. Addle, #1
No offense, Addle, but your comment is utter nonsense. Billions of dollars were given to the PA, and went right into the hand of corrupt officials (such as Arafat.) Israel welcomes economic initiatives for the Palestinians in t he West Bank, as Israel believes that this is the best way for the Palestinians to prepare for a state. The Arab states should be doing more to help their brethren, and this would be welcome by the Israelis.
Jason, Ph.D. ,   Charlotte, USA   (11.10.09)
8. Ignorant people..no such thing and Palestinian land
There is no such thing under any international law. Most of the land of the area was public land owned by the Ottoman Empire, continues when Israel liberated the land. As for stolen land. I have heard as much as 100 times the size of Israel was stolen by Arabs from the 850,000 Jewish refugees. When will the Arab world address what they have stolen from the native Jewish population?
David ,   Boston, USA   (11.10.09)
9. What CAN Arabs do for the Palestinians, #1?
They can absorb them. That's right, the Palis lost their land in a war that THE ARABS STARTED, and have been living in limbo, in a time warp, ever since. The surrounding Arab nations have enormous quantities of land, that if had been developed by the billions of Western dollars in aid, could have made an awesome home for the original refugees. But no, the Arabs care more for their own honor (beware of low-functioning societies worried about their honor - violence every time) than saving their fellow man. So they blockade their own brethren, and then cry to the UN because of their suffering. Crocodile tears. If the Arabs cared half as much for their own people as the Jews care for ours, we'd all be happy and prosperous.
Vered, Israel   (11.10.09)
10. Addle
Are you aware of the fact that Gaza has a border with EGYPT? Are the Israelis responsible for the Egyptian blockade in your view? Silly silly Canadian (who probably learns all his "facts" from Al Jazeera)...
Joab ,   Tel Aviv   (11.10.09)
11. why should Arabs help "Pals"
That would undermine their purpose.
ben Ish   (11.10.09)
12. #1 Here is what the Arab states can do for the Palestinians
They can give citizenship to all the "Palestinians" who were BORN in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Kuwait, Emirates, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, etc. instead of keeping them and all their descendants landless, impoverished "refugees" forever in the hopes that they will someday overrun and conquer Israel.
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (11.10.09)
13. The problem is the Arabs
They really couldn't care less for the Palestinians, not that I do either, but the Arabs are such blabbers. They sit with their Billion of dollars and due nothing for their people, you think they are going to do anything for the Palestinians? They were given oil in the middle of a sandbar and instead of helping the ones that need, they keep everything for themselves. I will be laughing my tush off when Israel or the Westernized countries invent other source of energy (other than oil). These Arabs tycoons will be completely wiped out and the world you know today, will not care about any Arabs.
Eyal ,   USA   (11.10.09)
14. Truth hurts... And Lieberman says it
Totally an honest and direct question, FM Lieberman, and Arabs hates Palestinians, it is a fact. They are a burden as much as Arabs hateing each other too. Weird mentality, that israelis need many years to understand. And all this fight against Israel has nothing to do with Palestinians rights. Only religious fanatics on the Arab world feeds the hate on a daily basis, plus there is a huge amount of jealously towards Israelis for all the greatness they have achieved building their country. Israeli success exposes their fragile corrupted countries with all minimum freedom for minorities and women. Plus, arabs tend to link everything to "honor" and israeli beating their armies is the same as the ideology behind "honor killings" in arab mentalies. They hate israelis for that and until their "male honor" is restored, they won't care for peace, it has nothing to do with Pals. Lieberman is right. I like him. I wish there is more of him in each Arabic country. Oh, sorry. Such societies cannot give a straightforward person like him... saying the only truth they know very well "What have we ever done for the Pals"?
Rinda DiLibda ,   Africa without arabs   (11.10.09)
15. 6 You are that ignorant. Epypt can't unblock the Gaza siege
Under agreement signed with Israel Egypt is under pressure from the Americans to keep the border closed or jeopardize the 1.3 'bribe' they receive from the US.The Arabs are doing something they are arming the resistance fighters.
lydia ,   Brisbane   (11.10.09)
16. Lieberman is defending Israel
As foreign minister its his job to put neighbors to the task at hand from all directions.
Ypip ,   Canada   (11.10.09)
17. # 6 & # 1
David is correct. Egypt holds the blockade on Gaza NOT Israel. # 1 Get your facts right before you post here.
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.10.09)
18. to lydia
when are you going to realize the only resistance on the part of the arabs is moving into modern mentality? oh, forgot, you can't realize that as you have the same mentality. the arabs should quit resisting progress. democracy, and quit embracing hatred and fundamentalism as in radical.
Barney ,   USA   (11.11.09)
19. Joe this Addle forgets the others in??
The other of his brethren in Lebanon/Syria still in refugee camps after 60+ years same as other arab countries.Why? methinks they have been used as pawns by their brothers for ulterior motives and continue to do so.Other reasons, are:They just don't trust them.All the troubles they caused in Lebanon thru' rattyfat is an example. Same applies to Jordan with "black september". But the ones who behaved are there now as Jordanian citizens.And that's where Addle belongs. Why are some Arabs so dumb is a wonder.Or is it they know,but prefer to keep mum about this. Since I am getting the gist of it through you Joe,is he still talking about a pal state ?Joe you are being very patient with explanations.We have to repeat it ad-nauseum till they can accept the historical narrative they are aware of,but dare not acknowledge for fear of their Imams. Come to think about it.Lebanon did not exist either.Not until France created it.(just like the brits with Jordan eh).I did not plagiarize my last paragraph Joe,for i am cognisant on all its historical ramifications(thought i'd tell you) oops,you have already written it,looks like.Careless of me,sorry.
ZIONIST JEW ,   ISRAEL   (11.11.09)
20. To Joe # 2 and all his cohorts
You are a real idiot. The main sign of weekness is a BIG MOUTH and that's exactly what you and the other barkers have proven. You know you stand on thin ice when it comes to roots. Being a jew does not mean you have roots in Palestine. Learn your own history, airbag, and stop stealing other's. Rights ??? more RIGHTS under Israeli rule ????? Hey big fat boy, this is the age of information and the internet. We know all the facts - i.e. the real ones not your lousy propaganda. The british, the Turkish , the Egyptians did not shoot babies (two bullets in the heart), did not attempt to create "A state for Jews only" ... so much for your Rights and your democracy. Shlomo Sand said it clearly: Jewish State and democracy.... and OXYMORON Cabich....
J Fox   (11.11.09)
21. #6 David of Boston
It is certainly a shame for the great city of Boston to have an ignorant resident like you. Gaza is blockaded by Israel on three sides. The fourth, Egypt is controled by Egypt/Europeans?Israel and the Palestinian Authority (the enemy of Hamas who rules Gaza). Try to educate yourself , boy.
Canadian   (11.11.09)
22. #1 addle and nour
in 1948, the arabs invaded israel illegally in order to annihilate the jews. they lost and in that loss, the arabs created apx. 500,000 refugees or more. these people went to other arab lands like egypt, jordan, lebanon and syria where they were interned in concentration camps called refugee camps from 1048 to 1967. during that time, not a single arab nation who had these people in concentration camps helped them integrate into the society of the country they were living in. they could not become citizens, could not have jobs and work, could not be part of the society and could not live anywhere except these refugee camps. thec squalor and devastation, the hunger and the repression of those palestinians by the arab countries devastated them, while at the same time, the arab countries indoctrinated them to hate, to murder and to blame israel for all their misery. they made them terrorists and fedaeens to continually fight and terrorise israel because these regimes knew that they could never win a war against israel militarily. so, they created terror battalions from the palestinians refugees in the camps and used them as cannon fodder against israel. if these palestinians rebelled and asked for justice from these regimes, then the regimes murdered them. notice hamma in syria and black september in jordan where 30,000 were murdered by king hussein and 20,000 by hafez al assad. not a single time did these pals request a state of their own from either egypt (gaza) or jordan (west bank with east jerusalem) not a single time did these people request a state. only when the jews captured west bank and jerusalem and gaza in a defensive war, 1967, did they all all of a sudden requested a palestinian state egypt and jordan never even thought about granting these refugees a state in gaza or the west bank. during 1948-1967 not a single arab country demanded a state for these refugees. WHY NOT??????? they had gaza and the entire west bank including east jerusalem. why didn't these arab leaders give the palestinians a state of their own in these territories. israel was not present on these areas then. only now, at present, after 41 years, the arab regimes wake up and demand a state for the palestinians??? is that how much they loved and cared for them during 1948-1967??? THEY USED THEM. THEY ABUSED THEM. THEY REPRESSED AND KILLED AS MANY PF THEM AS POSSIBLE. THEY STARVED THEM AND THEY LEFT THEM TO ROT IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS. israel, on the other hand took in one million jewish refugees kicked out of muslim lands and gave them a second chance. compared to the arabs, israel is a beacon of light in a murderous hateful neighborhood. hameed aboughaze, iranian
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23. LYDIA, NOOR, MATTY,ADDLE... ALL REJECT TRUTH
ADDLE, LYDIA, NOOR, MATTY ARE PEOPLE WHO MAY NEVER CHANGE THEIR WAY OF LOOKING AT REALITY. REALITY TO THEM IS ONLY WHAT THEY MAKE UP AS THEY GO ALONG...... AND WHATEVER SUITS THEM AT THE TIME ......... THESE " MADE UP IDEAS " THEN GROW INTO THEIR " FACTS AND REALITY " .... ....... ..BUT IT IS THEIR FAULTY DISTORTION OF FACTS AND REALITY THAT PROMPTS THEM TO POST HERE ON YNET. THEIR ANGRY POSTS AND COMMENTS HERE ON YNET, REVEAL THEIR MANY FLAWS, MISTAKES , FALSE STATEMENTS, AND YES ..... LIES ..........ABOVE ALL IT'S THE LIES !! THEY HOLD THESE LIES AS THEIR BRAND OF THE TRUTH. THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THAT THEY REFUSE TO FACE REALITY OR SIMPLE FACTS............ THEY WOULD NOT RECOGNISE THE TRUTH IF IT HIT THEM IN THE FACE !!
ABRAHAM ben JACOB ,   CANADA   (11.11.09)
24. What are the chances of peace?
There will not be peace with the Arabs living west of the Jordan because the Arab leaders in the Middle-East are afraid of peace. We should understand why the leaders in the Arab world do not want peace with Israel. Peace and closer relations with Israel means democracy in the Arab countries, improvement of individual freedom for all, freedom of choice as to religion and education in other words the end of the dictatorship, the end of tyranny in the Arab countries first, and then, in the Muslim countries. Can the Saudi King Abdullah accept this ? can Basher al-Assad accept this ? can Mubarak accept this ? can all the petty tyrants of the Arabic Peninsula accept this, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ? …so let’s be realistic: can peace, indeed, be more than just a dream ? Peace with Israel means, also, the abandondment of Jihad, the abandondment of the conquest of the world by Islam. In order to understand what that means consult : http://xrl.us/bi7kq
Ron B. ,   Lod   (11.11.09)
25. it is not policy ..lieberman
why he did not say that iran as a moslem country must help the palastinians and must make a palastinian state on iran land ..... but sure i do not like this lieberman even if he would say israil is palastine ... he is not honest and he is not clever in policy
nahla ,   jerusalem   (11.11.09)
26. to #1 Israel sel palis water electricity
phone services food, while arab nation provide them with guns and money that goes only to the leadership, the leaders blame Israel while taking the money to their pockets, the mass of palis r not smart enough to relize that the bad situation is because their leaders, exploiet their lack of knowlege, one fine example is their cars they r driving and their houses.
ghostq   (11.11.09)
27. #20..DELUSIONAL, SLIMY RASCIST AND TOP LIAR !!
WOW, FROM WHAT ROCK DID THIS MIXED UP GUY CRAWL OUT FROM ? DO NOT TAKE IT TOO PERSONALLY, BUT......YOU ARE ONE DELUSIONAL WHACK-JOB ! THIS CRAZY MIXED UP PIECE OF DUNG, AND THE BIGGEST AND FATTEST SLIME- BALL IS LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH. MOTHERS SHOULD KEEP THEIR MALE AND FEMALE YOUNGSTERS AWAY FROM THIS TYPE BECAUSE HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING WIERD THINGS. AND GENTLEMAN SHOULD WATCH THEIR BACKS WITH THIS CRAZY LOON ON THE LOOSE. CALL THE PARA MEDICS FOR THIS ONE !!
ABRAHAM ben JACOB ,   CANADA   (11.11.09)
28. #2 Joe & #23 Abraham
Joe, let me start by telling you, you will never be able to make anyone shut up, nor change anyones mentality, your TB only shows how aggrevated you become when you read about the truth. What you said about Palestine, is your point of view, we have the right to believe it, or not, however, i personally don't believe you and think that you are just another twister of history, i am free to believe whatever i want to, and under no circumstances will i be scared to face you and make YOU shut up! Abraham ben 'Bateech' , why are you using UPPERCASE? it seems to me sir that you are the angry one here, not anybody else! Hypocrite!
Wildmandxb ,   M.E.   (11.11.09)
29. As if...
As if Lieberman is losing sleep on the issue of the quality of life of Palestinians.
Joker ,   Scotland the Brave   (11.11.09)
30. reported statements of fm
He's right. I'd go further, and say the arab states have made sure they did not support the palestinians, economically, or with citizenship, precisely in order to keep as many palestinians as possible poor, ignorant, in camps, and out of other arab countries...except as barely tolerated temporary residents. All this to keep the anti-Israel antisemitic machines of their governments operating at full steam ahead.
richard sherwin ,   herzliyah israel   (11.11.09)
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