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EU says 'premature' to recognize Palestine state    AFP
1. ;-)
(11.17.09)
2. makes sense
.........for a change.... Those who 'know' know nothing really changed. Really.
er der   (11.17.09)
3. lol - there's your palestinian support
defacto hamas government in gaza, defacto fatah government in west bank, defacto this, defacto that, blah blah, yada yada yada. de fact is palestinians don't have it in them to ever make peace, doing anything and everything to avoid it. what amateurs.
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (11.17.09)
4. The same Bildt who refused to denounce the anti-Jewish blood
libel is now delaying the acceptance of a unilateral move, not rejecting it, despite the fact that it stands against UN Security Council Resolution 242 and all the agreements signed by the PLO/PA since. For Bildt, it appears, an agreement with Jews is of no value and can be broken... This is a reflection of racism, anti-Jewish racism, and there is no other way to understand it.
Eitan ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (11.17.09)
5. 'There has to be a Palestinian state first before we recogni
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Golan ,   Ashdod   (11.17.09)
6. Palestine
The poor Palestinians - what must they do just to recieve a tiny semblance of dignity and a future? Just give them a state. It's the least they deserve after over sixty years of occupation and aggression. The Palestinians have been hammered by Israel (with the full support of the US and EU) for over sixty years yet still they stand up for their rights and their dignity. They are a trultyamazing and reslilent people. They deserve the right to freedom and a just future.
invicta   (11.17.09)
7. June '67 boardes are fine - 11 June 1967
We would be happy to work with the June 11th boarders.
Eric ,   Tel Aviv   (11.17.09)
8. Pals think they only need a few suicide bombers2 make state
Alan ,   SA   (11.17.09)
9. THERE IS ALREADY SUCH A STATE -
(11.17.09)
10. An eye-opener for anyone who has not understood until ...
An eye-opener for anyone who has not understood until today the masked-ball being run by the Arabs: The true meaning of Arafat's words, that "Palestine is Jordan," is that for the Arabic people, living under the "Pan-Arab" umbrella, in addition to over twenty Arabic countries, there is already a country called Jordan that was established by the British for the Arabs on 77% of the Land of Israel, promised to the Jewish People by the League of Nations in 1922. Anywhere else on earth, would an additional country be established for a people that already has twenty-one countries? About facts and the “Palestinian people” at : http://xrl.us/kkiqd
Ron B. ,   Lod   (11.17.09)
11. JUNE 1967 BORDERS??? THE PALIS NEVER HAD THOSE FOR ANY STATE
the palis will never rip away any part of jerusalem from israel. they are essentially forcing war against themselves... as for this 1967 border crap... the palis never had anything in 1967 to begin with.
stude ham   (11.17.09)
12. Truth will out!
Yesterday the United States; today the European Union. The moral of the story is, of course, that irrespective of the public rhetoric of the European Union and the United States, no one really wants to see a Palestinian state. Once again the Palestinians have shot themselves in the foot. You'd think they'd grown tired of it by now. What a humiliating slap in the face to the Palestinians. No -- I take that back -- for "slap," please read "shoe."
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.17.09)
13. #12
#12, yes it is a potentially humiliating slap in the face for the Palestinians. But why do you take delight in that? The Palestinians are asking for a tiny portion of land to be able to live free of occupation. What's wrong with that? It seems to me as if israel takes a pleasure in subjecting a defenceless people to continued degradation and humiliation. Much to the delight of the Israeli public and their US supporters. The Palestinians were pushed out of their villages and homes over sixty years ago. Since then they have sought some redress. They have tried resistance, negotiation, terrorism, treaties and protest. Still Israel (and the US) say the conditions are not 'right'. So it is easy to understand their frustration. What is less easy to understand is yours - and others - pleasure in seeing their frustration and humiliation.
invicta   (11.17.09)
14. # 12 "It Ain't Over 'til It's Over"
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15. Surely the headline should read...
"EU says premature to recognise SECOND Palestine state". I can't believe that the EU is about to withdraw recognition of Jordan. However, that could be useful as it would mean that they would no longer be able to recognise Jordan's annexation of Judea and Samaria in 1950. In turn, this would mean that they would have to admit that Jordan occupied that part of Israel between 1948 and 1967, when it was liberated.
Truth Hertz ,   UK   (11.17.09)
16. Palestine should go for it
The EU is not on the Security Council, France and Britain are permanent council members that wield veto power.
(11.17.09)
17.  The European Union has not rejected ..
a Palestinian bid for unilateral declaration of a state. The Swedish Foreign Minister has said the timing is not yet ripe. That suggests that the European Union has asked the Palestinians to postpone their bid for a unilateral declaration of a Palestinian State.
Chris   (11.17.09)
18. oh dear
there isn't peace between Hamas and Fatah. to establish non democratic state on a verge of civil war, is not the way to declair independance, just simple logic. and I doubt they will back off, for honor mmm.
ghostq   (11.17.09)
19. To: No. 17
Sorry to disappoint you, but it means nothing of the kind. It means that the European Union believe that negotiations with Israel should take place before a declaration of statehood. There will never be such negotiations, and the European Union knows it. The European Union is looking ahead to purchasing from Israel some of that five trillion cubic foot natural gas field discovered off the cost of Haifa. Much cheaper and easier to transport from Israel than from Russia. It's not as if anyone really wants a second Palestinian state. Jordan serves that need nicely enough. Oh, how I LOVE a good smackdown!
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.17.09)
20. To: No. 16
Any such resolution wil be vetoed by at least four of the permanent members (China is a little iffy). And, as Israel has made quite plain, any such unilateral action on the part of the Palestinians will be met with a unilateral reaction by the State of Israel.
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.17.09)
21. To: No. 17
"yes it is a potentially humiliating slap in the face for the Palestinians. But why do you take delight in that?" Six wars and sixty-one years of terror have hardened my heart. "The Palestinians are asking for a tiny portion of land to be able to live free of occupation. What's wrong with that?" The Palestinians have rejected a two-state solution on three occasions. I thinik they've about run out of bites at the apple. Moreover, the West Bank's status has always been non-sovereign territory. Jordan tried in 1950 to annex the West Bank, but only Great Britain and Venezuela supported the annexation so the attempt never got off the ground, except that Jordan did award West Bank Palestinians Jordanian citizenship. "It seems to me as if israel takes a pleasure in subjecting a defenceless people to continued degradation and humiliation. Much to the delight of the Israeli public and their US supporters." It is not the fault of Israel that the Arabs lost six wars. The Palestinians need to learn to take ownership of their mistakes. They have had choices, have always made incredibly bad decisions, but so what? If you make a bad decision, you have to live with the consequences of that decision. The United Nations has fostered much love, affection and support (not to mention serious amounts of cash) upon the Palestinians. They are victims of their own making, and it is not the business of the world to fix their problems. "The Palestinians were pushed out of their villages and homes over sixty years ago. Since then they have sought some redress. They have tried resistance, negotiation, terrorism, treaties and protest. Still Israel (and the US) say the conditions are not 'right'. So it is easy to understand their frustration. What is less easy to understand is yours - and others - pleasure in seeing their frustration and humiliation." They were NOT pushed out of their homes. The day after Israel declared statehood, she was invaded by five Arab nations. The Palestinians were urged to get out of the way of the "conquering armies" while they "swept the Jews into the sea." Some left. Those that did not live quite comfortably in Israel, and enjoy all the rights of citizenship and none of the obligations. I am glad you recognize, however, that Israel has endured much belligerence and aggression. Suicide bombings. Random murderers. Terrorism. Missiles from Lebanon. Missiles from Gaza. The Palestinians refuse to recognize the right of the State of Israel to exist, and the charters of the 30-odd Palestinian organizations each purporting to be the sole representative of the Palestinian people have at the core of their respective charters that their objective is the destruction of the State of Israel and the extermination and/or expulsion of the Jewish people. They refuse to repudiate their charters, and Israel will NOT -- repeat, NOT -- engage in any meaningful dialogue until those charters are repudiated. Do you REALLY expect me to be sympathetic? The Palestinians sowed the wind a long time ago; they have to reap the whirlwind.
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.17.09)
22. Reality
The Palestinians have made a gross error by trying to go to the Security Council. Instead they should pursue their aims through the General Assembly. Only the General Assembly can confer legitimacy to a state and define its borders. After all, it wasn't the Security Council that granted the Jews a state in Palestine, it was the GA.
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (11.17.09)
23. @ Sarrah
You have nothing to say to 13????
Sam ,   ME   (11.17.09)
24. Re: My post at No. 21
The post is inaccurately addressed. For "To: No. 17" please read "To: No. 13." Apologies to all, and thank you, Sam, for pointing this out. (Sam, you HAD to know there was NO WAY I wasn't going to answer that one!)
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.17.09)
25. To: No. 22
You are wrong. General Assembly resolutions are considered recommendations and are not legally binding or enforceable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_resolution As concerns UN General Assembly Resolution 181, you are again wrong. Once Britain's mandate ended, the territory it had governed had no status. Resolution 181 confers status, creating two states, one Jewish, one Arabs. The resolution passed, but while the Jews announced creation of the modern State of Israel, the Arabs rejected that, and went to war instead. They lost. The Jews accepted the resolution. Since the Arabs didn't and Israel was the victor in 1948, the entirety of the territory defaults to Israel. Trust this clears up your confusion.
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.17.09)
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