1. "Israel no longer trusts Turkey".....
Duh. For good reason
| Charles , |
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2. erdogan and trust
Yes, Israel and I do not trust erdogan absolutley. He identifies with iran and assad, and is doing their bidding.
Olmert trusted erdogan because he was a moron, an ignoramus on security matters , no experience in combat with 2 sons out of the country, one who avoided idf and the other protested it. The rest of his family protests the idf. This is a family of cowards as they do not do their duty.
Olmert is in my opinon a crook and will do some jail time no matter that he has big mouth zohar as his lawyer.
Many missiles hit israel during olmert's days and he did nothing to stop them except complain to koucher of france, ban-ki moon of the UN and rice of the USA. Nothing was and will be done except by israelis. Brute force will not be successful. Smart force and tough diplomacy are the first steps. You take arabs one on one diplomatically and you look them in the eye and you tell them what will happen if missiles and suicide bombing occur. Not more concessions by crybaby olmert but elimination and removal will be methods used.
That is why arabs are wary of yaalon, lieberman, landau and peled and begin. Whereas they rejoice in private at the weakness of beilin, livni, barak and olmert and all of haaretz dumkopfs.
On a personal note, some 10 years ago, a former idf told me that you cannot kill palestinian ideas, that economy and self worth is key and that withdrawal from gaza and west bank was the way forward. With that, arabs will develop their economy and be more mature in negotiatjions. The opposite happened. Itis the religion that is recalcitrant. Look at nidal at fort hood. An MD, a post graduate in public health, a psychiatrist, agood salary and he was like a switch to islamic radicalism, so easily led. Of course now that he was caught and possibly paralysed, he would say that islamic leaders are shmucks, the whole lot of them. Perhaps orthodoxy promotes subservience of anybody in any religion but it is expressed most often by islamics. So concessions by israel will not bring peace and this has been the fallacy since oslo. By the way, most of the promoters of so called oslo and thereafter like peres(no combat), beilin(babysat apartments), ben ami, olmert(no combat_, livni, ramon( absolutely no distinguished record), idzik, tamir had undistinguished military service and certainly did not save israel in previous wars. They are hardly the ones to advance peace/ You want peace, you have to be strong.
Finally, Jordan has to be raised in terms of the biggest part of mandated palestine that is not being shared by jews.
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3. Now why would Israel stop trusting you?
Could it be the public condemnation for fighting terror?
Could it be the canceling joint military training and then holding them with Syria?
Could it be the start run TV station broadcasting incitement?
or is it that Bibi is not a nice guy?
| Eric , |
Tel Aviv |
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4. Erdogan has the chutzpa to be surprised!
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5. Let's see
Miffed, is he? Well, let's have a little review here:
- Devastating (although inaccurate) accusations leveled at Israel's conduct during Operation Cast Lead
- Wildly inaccurate ad hominem accusations of war crimes with absolutely no basis or foundation in fact
- Withdrawal of an invitation to participate in a multi-lateral air force drill
- Allowing the broadcast of a shocking and outrageous television series portraying Jewish soldiers as if -- oh, as if the IDF were Turkish soldiers going after Armenians or Turkish soldiers going after Kurds
- Open declaration of strengthening ties with Iran and Syria
and so forth.
No, Mr. Erdogan. Israel doesn't trust you. Can't think why ....
| Sarah B , |
U.S.A. / Israel |
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6. Hint, Erdogan's actions the problem
Its not Turkey, but Erdogan who is untrustworthy, not worth the time of day. His constant public insults of Israel and reality should have warranted immediate and continuous diplomatic censureship of Turkey's government.
| David , |
Boston, USA |
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7. you know why israel doesn't trust you erdogan?
look in the mirror.
| mike , |
israel (formerly usa |
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8. The more I hear Arab Leader
Talk, the more I question their IQ? It is amazing how Turkey thinks Israel can trust her after the movie they displayed and the cheap talk from their Prime Minister. Imagine if Bibi said that the Turks killed many Armenians or if Israel made a movie about it? I think Muslims will be a lot more furious to the point of breaking every tie with Israel. They should be lucky we still have trading agreements. Arabs are such 2 face and hypocrites.
| Eyal , |
Highland Beach |
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9. Bibi's not too bright
But he is smarter than Olmert.
| Gee , |
Zikron Yaakov |
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10. and if Olmert trusted ErdoArrogant, he still stabbed Israel
in the back
these Muslims liars never stop, but it is not working for them any longer
| Genuine Tosefta |
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11. Turkey is its own worst enemy
Had the turks taken responsibility for the genocide and oppression of its former subjects it would have advanced as a modern state and been respected. Now, no one trusts them so they're "looking for love" in all the wrong places. They need a new "sugar daddy" because the US knows they're not reliable so they flirt with syria and Iran. Had the turks not murdered their professional,business and intellectual christian minorities, they would be today as modern and prosperous as any european country. Its genocide retarded their development by about 50 years and prohibited their country from becoming a modern multi-ethnic /religous State stifling prosperity in the region. The fact that they didn't target jewish people (I've heard because a Sultan had a jewish wife who prohibited it) is indeed a compliment because I don't know of any other ethnic group under their rule who wasn't persecuted by them.The rehabilitation of Turkey begins with 2 words; "we're sorry".
| steve , |
Santa Cruz-usa |
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12. Trust once lost must be earned anew
Erdogan at least acknowledges that Israel no longer trusts Turkey. It's for good reason and, unfortunately, it doesn't appear Erdogan is taking the right lesson from this.
It is TURKEY that caused this loss of confidence by siding first with Syria then with Hamas. And it is TURKEY that must work to win back Israel's trust. But that won't happen if Turkey aligns itself ever closer to Syria and Iran, as it is currently doing.
| Raymond in DC , |
Washington, USA |
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13. Gee, I wonder why!
| Joe , |
Ohio, USA |
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14. Turkey's current position is not mediation but joint militar
Turkey's current position is not mediation but joint military operation with Syria against Israel
Can you understand how Erdogan both publicly criticizes Israel and expect "trust" of Israel?
Let me tell, Erdogan is not sincere in his critics against Israel,
He just hunting votes from Muslims in domestic politics, and thinks Israel will understand him
Otherwise would he eager to be a mediator between Israel and Syria?
Do not trust us-Being trustable by Israel is shameful
| Tayfun_Turkey , |
Istanbul |
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15. Erdogan-"Turkey will FORCE Israel to agree to be helped"
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16. The bottom line
There is no reason to trust Turkey or distrust Turkey to negotiate peace with Syria. Syria wants the Golan Heights in exchange for peace. We can't trust Syria, we won't give the Golan Heights to them, so why bother using Turkey to negotiate?
There won't be talks with Syria unless one of 2 things happen which are equally ridiculous:
1. Syria becomes trustworthy
or
2. Syria gives up the idea that they will get back the Golan Heights
| Jacob Erickson , |
Holon, Israel |
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17. Hopefully the Turks will now be barred from EU membership
Not many people here in Europe are eager to receive Turkey as an EU member state. Except for the Leftists politicians off course.
| Bart , |
Antwerp - Belgium |
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18. Don´t delude yourself Recep..
neither Olmert trusted you. That´s why he didn´t notified you about Operation Cast Lead, and you were sour with him because of this until the minute you decided Netanyahu was worser. Of course you have a reason: you know perfectly well how the Turkish people will feel offended with the Israeli lack of trust. This is your agenda from day one: to alienate the Turkish people, which is growing more radically moslem everyday, in order to isolate pro-Israeli and pro-West elements in your moslem "Turkiyyeh". You´re putting the last nails in Ataturk´s coffin.
Twisting facts and truth endlessly, that´s what a moslem is about in Turkey or in Indonesia..
| Pezevenk Turk , |
musumanlari |
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19. israel is getting smarter!!!!!!!
I dont blame them , Turkey has never been israel friend to begin with , like so many other nations they are only israel friends when they need something. its about time israel wises up and calls there bluff.
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20. No. 14 - Turkey Typhus
OK, no problem.
Wouldn't want to bring more shame to self-aggrandizing maggots. Got enough already, don't you?
| Shaul , |
Port Vila, Vanuatu |
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21. Couldn't POSSIBLY be because of Erdogan, could it????
lol
Get a grip, Tayyip. You're the problem.
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22. Turkey offered military support to Iran if Israel attacks
October 28 - Turkey & Iran signed a pact promising to share intelligence.
Iran promised to give Turkey airforce help if Israel attacked its reactor.
Turkey is agreeing to let Iran set up early warning stations on the borders to monitor for Israeli aircraft.
Assad & Turkey have got very close recently and Turkey was hardly acting like an independent mediator when they were brokering talks with Olmert more like telling Olmert now give Assad he Golan
They refused to hold the annual wargames with Israel.
| zionist forever |
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23. Turkey is becoming an Islamic state.
Israelis should be aware that the Turkish alliance with Israel is not iron-clad. Its revival in the 1990’s, after decades of cold shoulder relations, was prompted by a rare convergence of strategic and economic interests, that were bolstered by the generous assistance that Israel poured on the most hard-hit areas of Turkey during the 1999 earthquake. But Turkey is a Muslim country, in spite of its commitment to maintain secular rule. No one could foresee the rise to power of Necmettin Erbakan precisely in those years of the summit in the honeymoon, but no one could forget either, that the army swiftly removed him and banned his party when he imprudently came too close to Iran. The army, who remained the arbiter of the correct behavior of the government, could by the same token threaten Syria with invasion and war if the latter did not desist from its support to Kurdish Turks. More about Turkey at : http://xrl.us/bfspye
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24. bibi would sell the country for the same
olmert was a better "business man" but bibi is a "better" crook ?
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25. We Israelis don't trust Turkey: The one whose Prime Minister
insulted our President; the one that cancelled military exercises with Israel and instead carried out such exercises with Syria; the one that used its state TV to screen a long series that promoted an anti-Jewish/anti-Israeli blood libel; the one that sent its thugs to physically attack Israel's ambassador in Ankara; the one that has called for the UN to expel Israel from its ranks.
No, we don't trust this Turkish government to be a mediator between Israel and its Arab neighbors.
| Eitan , |
Qatzrin, Israel |
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26. Er-dog might cause civil war there
after his policy spit on the glorious legacy of Ataturk.
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27. to #18 wrong before cast lead there was
official complained in the UN forum.
and Israel just saw to many turks demonstrating against her in turky needless to say the militery action with syria by turks is maga no no. Israel except from words did nothing to turkey and you know action speak louder then words. so what the turks did or say to insure the Israeli trust... mmm nothing.
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28. You are a clown...Why should anyone trust you?
Another inept little man running around the world ranting like Hugo Chavez.
No one even wants to visit your corrupt country now.
| Steven Wilson , |
Anchorage, Alaska |
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29. Israel doesn't trust Turkey
I am shocked !
| J.K. , |
Brooklyn USA |
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