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Civil Administration distributes freeze orders    Roni Sofer
1. :: Stuck in a racist rut
I love this line: “the trampling of human rights which would not have been allowed anywhere else in the world”. Is Mesika blind to the fact that Israel has been ‘trampling of human rights’ of Palestinians for decades, this hasn’t happened ‘anywhere else in the world’ but right under Mesika’s nose. This hypocritical Israeli mindset prevails everywhere. One set of ‘human rights’ for Israelis and another minor subset of ‘human rights’ for Palestinians. Isn’t it time that the Israeli psyche evolved to the enlightened extent that the concept of Basic Human Rights apply equally to ALL people and not just to Jews/Israelis?
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (11.27.09)
2. THIS IS THE FRUIT OF US PRECIDENT OBAMA !!!.
GO TO HELL WITH HIM AND HIS FOLLOWERS IN THIS MATTER !!!. Arn-Orao.
Arn-Orao. ,   Sweden-Srbia.   (11.27.09)
3. If the territories in dispute, why only Jews must freeze
freeze their lives and Arabs may continue to build as they wish? Wouldn't it be more appropriate that construction throughout Samaria and Judea / West Bank be stopped so that neither Jews nor Arabs, while negotiating a peace accord will not be able to change the region?
Sarit ,   Hadera   (11.27.09)
4. What happens if Israel says NO?
What happens? What happens if Israel keeps in the direction of what it thinks is right ? What happens if Israel completely stops hurting itself? What happens if Israel stops wasting precious resourses in this whole bs? Can somebody answer?
Keren ,   IL-BR   (11.27.09)
5. IF YOU WANT TO SUCJ UP TO THE AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN AND ME
YOU ASKED FOR IT ! THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE ISRAELIS, YOU LET EVERY TOM , DICK AND HARRIET TO DECIDE FOR YOU ! LOOK AT THE SLAVERY ISRAEL PUT HER SELF INTO. SLAVELY IN EVERYTING YOU DO... SO WHERE IS ISRAEL STANDING NOW ? YOU HAVE GONE WRONG >...iSRAEL ! iSAREL IN EGYPT ? ISRAEL IN THE WILDERNESS ? iSAREL DURING THE JUDGES, KINGS AND PROPHETS ? ISARELI DURING THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE.? ISRAEL DURING THE ERA BETWEEN FRIST AND SECOND TEMPLE? dURING TEH DIESTRUCTION OF THE SECOND TEMPLE ? ISAREL AND TEH NATION OF THIS WORLD- WHERE DO YOU STAND ? LOOK AT THE LAND O ISREAL NOW ? IN TIME TO COME WHWRE DO YOU CHOOSE TO BE ? A SLAVE UNDER THE BRITISH ? THE FRENCH? THEE EUROPEANS ? THE GERMANS? THE IRANIAN? THE RUSSAINS ? THE XTIANS ? TEH ARABS? WHWRE DO YOU STAND ?BETEWEEN WISDOM, PROPHESY AND THE PSALMS ? WHER DO YOU STAND IN SHABBATH, FEAST AND FAST ? WHERE DO YOU STAND WITH TEH HOLI ONE.? WHER DO YOU STAND IN REALTION WITH HUMAN BEING AND CREATION ? WHER DO YOU STAND BETEEN GOOD AND EVIL ? WHER DO YOU STAND BETEWEN NMAN AND HIS NEEDS ? BETWEEH MAN AND HIS HOUSE HOLD ? BEWTEEN HUMANITY AND WOMEN RIGHT ? BETWEEN MAN AN DMAN OF JUDAISM ' ?BETWEEN YOU TRAITS AND ATTITUTES ? BETEWEN COMMUNITY AND TEH STATE ? BETWEEN THE WORLS AND ITS HOLDS ? BENJAMIN SINGAPORE
BENJAMIN ,   SINAGPORE   (11.27.09)
6. #3- The territory isn't disputed, Israel must be eliminated
This is according to the neo-liberal theories - destroy Israel and world peace will follow. Ask the UN.
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7. THIS IS MORE PATHETIC THAN KADIMA AT THE HELM!
israeli spy planes against our own people... this is lunatic. BUILD ISRAEL! ISRAEL BUILD! the goyim can no longer choke us. ehud barak must be removed from government.
stude ham   (11.27.09)
8. Patriotic Israel must unite against the settlement freeze.
It is time to stop playing games. The settlement freeze is a clearly racist attack against Jewish rights in our sole, tiny Homeland. All of Patriotic Israel must unite, in total determination, to end this abomination. This means Likud, National Union, Israel Beiteinu, Women In Green, Manhigut Yehudit, Professors For A Strong Israel and everyone else. It is time to put an end to settlement freezes once and for all. This land is ours!
Chaim ,   Israel   (11.27.09)
9. barak should marry abbas and have many stillborn children.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (11.27.09)
10. #3 Your logic.
"If the territories in dispute, why only Jews must freeze freeze their lives and Arabs may continue to build as they wish?" You're basically saying that if a guest in a person's house has to stop using their house, the house owner as well has to stop using it as well. *ang!* Your logic is faulty. Ship the settlers back to 67' borders Israel and leave the West Bank for the Palestinians. Also, the territories are not disputed, they're occupied by an invasive power. International law forbids population transfer from the occupying power to occupied lands.
Addle ,   Toronto   (11.27.09)
11. #10 Your logic has no logic
Try to think logically because your logic has no logic.
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12. #10 is only partly right and mostly wrong
Yes Israel occupies the 'WB', but at the same time, the territories are in dispute. You must look back in time though as to who the territory is occupied from? The answer to that would be Jordan, who in 1994 gave up all claims to the WB. The territory did not pass, however, to the PA outside of certain parts of area A. Israel does occupy the territory, but is looking to work out a solution based on 242 which does not require ALL the 'WB' to revert to the Arabs. Don't believe me? Look up UNSCR 242 and Lord Caradon and you can read in the framers own words what was intended to happen. If you ask me, all this roadmap crap is in contravention of a valid UN resolution.
J K ,   NYC, USA   (11.27.09)
13. Matty Groves, it is so obvious that you hate Jews. I wish to
ask: Why? You see, I have lived all my life in Israel, among Jews, and only heard stories to blind hatred toward our people, each time based on a different excuse. Your posts, I have noticed, fit the description of the kind of venom being generated by some. Since I don't know you, and will never know you, this is an opportunity for me and probably for many other Jews, to delve into the inner working of the mind and hear of a Jew hater, and therefore I ask you the simple question: Why do you hate us so much?
Sarit ,   Hadera   (11.27.09)
14. Sarit's logic is not "faulty".
Israel captured the territories in question during a defensive war during which they were used to stage an attack on the Jewish state which was designed to annihilate Israel. Based on UN resolutions Israel should withdraw its troops from "territories" captured during that Six-Day War of 1967, not from all territories, to agreed boundaries that will be able to protect the Jewish state. This outcome should be reached through negotiations. Therefore, the territories are in dispute and need to be negotiated by the parties before Israel withdraw its troops. Since an agreement has not yet been reached, the territories are in dispute and all who reside there should be treated equally. And one more thing: the territories were not part of a sovereign Palestinian state. It was part of Jordan which captured it illegally and ruled over it until 1967. There were no honers of the territory in other words and trying to describe things differently amount to throwing sand in people's eyes.
Yoram Givoni ,   Modi'in, Israel   (11.27.09)
15. I.A.F Aircraft for appeasing the Gentiles?
Student ,   Beer Sheva   (11.27.09)
16. #10 Your logic
If the territory is occupied. like you claim......whos land is Israel occupying? Jordanian, Egyptian and Syrian? It definitely cant be Palestinian, as there was never a country or nation called Palestine. No Arab called himself a PAlestinian pre67.....they considered themselves Southern Syrian. If its Jordanian land, then why dont the Jordanians want the land back? And what of the 800,000 Jews that had their land stolen in the Arab countries.....do they deserve their own state too like these displace Arabs in West BAnk? Your hypocrisy is so disgusting, you cant answer any of my questions honestly!
Jay3 ,   Israel   (11.27.09)
17. To stude ham@7 Don't worry
This is our country and our people over in Judea and Samaria.And we will take no notice of the failed leaders who sell our country down the plug. YES AND YES,WE WILL BUILD! Let the goyim demand for that is the only thing they know. But we know better.Yes Ehud Barak shold shut up,or else RESIGN.
Kate ,   ISRAEL   (11.27.09)
18. To keren a reply-To what happens to Israel?
I'll tell you chaver,unlike you I think Israel will survive and take no orders from strangers. That is what. You seem to be a bit of a lefty,or worse.If you think that to acquiesce is the answer,then you are no better than our enemies. Does that answer your question?
James ,   Israel/Karkur   (11.27.09)
19. Boohoo! Poor settlers.
Let them go build their "settlements" inside of Israel's proper borders instead of illegally on Palestinian lands. Maybe then they wouldn't have these problems.
David ,   Tel Aviv   (11.27.09)
20. It's Not About Freezes, It's about Israel
Back and forth, the maneuvers seem to go, w/o any stopping, from 1947 to today. I recall the Madrid Conference, then Oslo, then the several plans (including the Saudi), the Roadmap, and now the latest wrinkle...no construction (new) in the W. Bk (except for public buildings) assuming Abbas/Erekat/Bargouti sit down with no pre-conditons and rehash their demands ( two state, 67borders, right of return, a Pales army and treaties with anyone, Golan to Syria, E. Jerusalem with the holy sites relinquished). Doesn't this all get boring after awhile? We know what they (Arabs) want minimally. We also know that Israel will compromise (who else has the land to give?) for a delusional peace. Bottom line: it's not about settlements, or freezes..or E. Jerusalem..it's about Israel's existence. Until all Israelis get this..the farce will continue..land for peace (really more land, more wars). Wake up Jews! Wake up JSt. Wake up Obama/Hillary/Zbig/Edward Fein, Tikkun, Soroa..C. Rose, T. Friedman, Pat Buchanan, etc.
Dav Lev ,   Burbank CAUS   (11.27.09)
21. To Jay3: Respect Comes From Fear
To Jay3: I can understand your seething at some posters., but let's be honest. Israel is as viable as it's Bar Lev line..in 1967, it was strong. In 1973, it fell apart (too few to defend the Suez). The rest is history. US Jews aren't much of a help either, wishy washy, not knowng which party best suits our interests. Thanks Pat Buchanan and George Bush Sr/James Baker. The Democrats (even with Jewish money) have us in their pockets..Corrie Blunt etal. So what to do? Well for starters..I want 1m Jews in the Israeli army..(reservists included). I want 5,000 more Abrams Tanks..with Israel protection devices. I want 5,000 smart bombs, bunker busters, cruise missiles, Daisy Cutters. I want more fast subs (Dolphin Class). I want 1,000 nukes, most aimed at Iran/Syria, Hez and Hamas (tactical and strategic). I want 500,000 Diaspora Jews willing to die for freedom..(US/Israel) and against Sharia Law. I want US Jews armed to the teeth, with Talmud and 22s. Youd better believe it. All the aforementioned will diminish the import of "freezing nursery schools". Get it guys.
Dav Lev ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (11.27.09)
22. At the same time the Palestinian unemployment rate goes up!
A Win-Win situation.
Zalman ,   Canada   (11.27.09)
23. Please...
Please do not listen to the goyim. Do not. They do not care (enough). They don't care about if you life or die. Do what is only in your best interest to survive in this area in which you are surrounded by wolves.
Richard ,   The Hague   (11.27.09)
24. :: Sarit - #13
Sarit do you have a delusional paranoid mindset? The only way for you to prove that you are not delusional and paranoid is to show me where I have expressed 'obvious hate for Jews'. Feel free to take any of my previous comments as examples however you can only quote me fully and in context. Prove that I have clearly expressed 'hate' towards Jews or Israelis. Perhaps if I was to state: "TOTAL WAR AGAINST JEWS NOW! The Jewish pigs and dogs have been trying to conquer the world for centuries. We need to take the Jews hostage and kill their families. DESTROY ISRAEL UNDER A CARPET OF BOMBS NOW!" Maybe then you would be right to think I was a racist. However the statement I just wrote are not my words, they are some random snippets posted by your pro-Israel brethren which I copied, tied together and changed such words as 'Muslim' to 'Jew'. The actual racist comments posted were: "TOTAL WAR AGAINST PALESTINIANS NOW !!!!" "Muslim pigs" "Muslim dogs have been trying to conquer the world for centuries." "We need to take the Muslims hostage and kill their families." "DESTROY GAZA UNDER A CARPET A BOMBS NOW !!!!!!!!!" These of course are just a tiny, tiny fraction of genuine racist comments and sentiments that have been posted here on this website. Genuine racist comments that you have ignored and never voiced opposition to. Why is that? Why have you ignored and stayed silent while these clearly identifiable racist comments are posted here everyday?
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (11.27.09)
25. :: Sarit - #3
Sarit the only people who claim that the WB is ‘disputed territory’ are those who are illegally squatting in the WB and their supporters. As for the rest of the world including the ICJ, Israeli courts and the US State Dept all hold that the territory is *occupied* by Israel. “Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory” – ICJ "Since 1967, Israel has been holding the areas of Judea and Samaria [hereinafter – the area] in belligerent occupation." – Israeli court “The occupied territories (Including Areas Subject to the Jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority)” – US State Dept Sarit the land is Occupied unless you are prepared to call the US State Dept, the ICJ and the Israeli courts ‘irrelevant’ and join that small band of people who are devoid from reality.
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (11.27.09)
26. Regarding the Jew-hater Sarit writes about, # 13, I suspect
you'll never receive a logical answer because there is no logic for the hatred this poster stores against our people. It is probably rooted in his psychology and upbringing as well as the education that he has received over the years both at home and at school, e.g. Catholic school perhaps? But he would never admit to any of these, if indeed he is even aware of the amount of hatred one can read in between the lines of this poster during a period of time. Sadly, he is not the only one!
Asher Hovav   (11.27.09)
27. :: Asher - #26
Asher I see that you are another person who can’t provide any proof for your accusations. You can only refer to “reading between the lines” yet supply nothing of substance. I’m also humored by the way you try to profile me based solely on your own prejudices, why stop at a “catholic school” why not a “German catholic school”? I also think it is a hoot the way you and Sarit try to discredit me personally rather than discrediting the points I make or opinions I voice. It shows a level of immaturity that is usually reserved for kids in an old German catholic schoolyard.
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (11.27.09)
28. You don't want a freeze?
You don't want a settlement with palestinians? You don't want peace? Then just goddam say so and stop jerking everyone around! Oh, then you might have a problem, won't you? You won't be able to continue to get away with your parasitic relationship with America. Zionists always want to have their cake and eat it too.
Paul ,   Florida   (11.28.09)
29. # 13
Sarit, Matty Groves doesnt have the courage to tell us why he is an anti-semite.He enjoys to disect comments we make & prod us into answering his pathetic questions. He is so sure he knows it all & we know nothing. Like a deranged professor, It would be to our advantage not to answer him at all.Let him rant & rave as much as he likes, he will surely become trired & bored & hopefully leave this forum. Am Israel Chai.
Birdi ,   ISRAEL   (11.28.09)
30. "...between the lines..." regarding anti-Semites
The obsession such people exhibit regarding the very small state of Israel, at the expense of spending time and efforts on much more urgent subjects which affect society worldwide is one indication of the motive. The standards at which Jews in Israel and the Jewish state of Israel are being held while never holding others to the very same standings is another symptom of the motive. And of course the constant attempt to twist reality, without even ever having experienced it, so as to present Israel in the darkest possible way is yet another indication of the real motive. We Jews have encountered such people for centuries, and they still think we are total idiots who can't recognize who they are, attempting to cover their real motives with smooth language and legalistic presentations. I have known such people abroad and I see, just like the Amalek, they keep running after us even to the sites of Yediot Ahronot in English. Sarit, Asher: This Mr. Groves is certainly one of them as you rightly noticed.
Avraham Leibowitz ,   Netanyah, Israel   (11.28.09)
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