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Costa Rican president: Palestinians don't need army
Netanel Shlomovich
Published: 28.11.09, 19:37
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1. Yes, they do need an army. How else could they join the Arab
Eitan ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (11.28.09)
coalition whose intent has always been to wipe Israel off the face of earth? And since they refuse to accept Israel's RIGHT to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people - based on League of Nations decisions and United Nations resolutions, mind you!!! - and since they refuse to accept an agreement for peace as the "end of the conflict", why should we not believe them when they write and talk - always in Arabic of course - that their intent is to wipe the Jewish state off the map?
2. FYI MR President
palestinian Sam ,   jerusalem ,palestine   (11.28.09)
east jerusalem as our capital ,palestine neither small ,nor poor . it will be bigger than life ..and our neighbors (israel ) will benefit from that ....as well .
3. Palestinian Sam
Linichka ,   Gdynia, Poland   (11.28.09)
It would be so nice, were your sentiments shared by more of your countrymen. If you all would dedicate yourselves to nation-building rather than attempting to tearing ours apart, you would find no greater supporters than Israelis.
4. Palestine without an army?
Bill Bailey ,   Israel   (11.28.09)
It would be like cutting off an Arab's... you get the idea. Misplaced machismo. It will never happen.
5. no, the palestinian identity is one of violence
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (11.28.09)
palestinians have invested their souls in terrorizing israeli civilians, not to mention the hundreds of victims (who aren't jewish or have no connection to israel) from hijackings and murder across the globe. terror is palestinian and palestinian is terror. you take that away from them and they have no identity.
6. Eitan's spineless thoughts
Noor ,   Palestine   (11.28.09)
"...whose intent has always been to wipe Israel off the face of earth?" The Arabs don't have the means to wipe Israel off of the face of the Earth. So, put a sock in it. "And since they refuse to accept Israel's RIGHT to be" We don't have to. No other stateless people had to recognize their oppressor's right to exist, so why should we? We do accpet the two state settlement, however, since the 1970s. We are just waiting on you. The UN Charter does not call for a stateless people to recognize their oppressor's right to exist before they are granted statehood. This is found nowhere in any UN resolution or League of Nations document. This absurd precondition was created by your leaders. "and since they refuse to accept an agreement for peace as the "end of the conflict", " In 2002, Saudi Arabia proposed and initiated the Arab Peace Plan of 2002, which called for acceptance of the two state solution and normalization of ties with Israel. The fatah under both Arafat and Abbas not only accpeted the two state settlement, but recognized Israel's right to exist, something that was more than demanded of them. In 2002, Hamas sent a delegation of its own to the Arab League where it signed the Saudi-initiated Peace Plan, authorizing its support for it. Israel never came up with such a thing.its just a matter of opening your eyes. "why should we not believe them when they write and talk - always in Arabic of course" That's what Im saying. Why should you not believe us?
7. Mike, demonizing a people leads you to failure.
Noor ,   Palestine   (11.28.09)
"palestinians have invested their souls in terrorizing israeli civilians,..." Demand that your government fully withdraw its presence from the occupied Palestinian territories, and then will Israelis see peace. No justice=no peace. Simple math. "not to mention the hundreds of victims (who aren't jewish or have no connection to israel) from hijackings and murder across the globe. " Oh really? Care to mention an example? "terror is palestinian and palestinian is terror. you take that away from them and they have no identity. " Let's see you go far in life with such a horrific mindset.
8. Linickha
Noor ,   Palestine   (11.28.09)
"If you all would dedicate yourselves to nation-building rather than attempting to tearing ours apart, you would find no greater supporters than Israelis. " You obviously know nothing about the conflict. The Palestinians find it difficult to build a nation-state of their own when their oppressors are the ones preventing the nation-state from happening. Dont you know about the current illegal settlement enterprise? As more settlements are being constructed, more Palestinians land is stolen, making the establishment of a Palestinian state more difficult. Never mind that, Bibi is not only taking steps to prevent a Palestinian state from happening, but his party's charter explicitly states that under the Likud leadership, the party will do all it can in preventing a state called Palestine from happening. This is the truth.
9. Arias, no seas tan ignorante, por favor.
Noor ,   Palestine   (11.28.09)
Yes, Costa Rica may be demilitarized and will continue to be so. That may be because you have no permanently identified enemies as your neighbors. The Palestinians have an identified enemy, one that has wiped Palestine off the map. They have an enemy who has driven off millions of their people, an enemy that uses them as human shields, terrorizes them in their own lands, experiments with chemical weapons against them, starves them, and treats them like animals. The future state of Palestine will have a military, as it has a right to possess one.
10. Costa Rica Banana Republic
Joe Klien ,   USA   (11.28.09)
This from a man and a country that pulled their embassy from Jerusalem.
11.  # 9
Yaara ,   Israel   (11.28.09)
Israel did not wiped Palestine off the map. The Romans called this land Palestine and it was long, long before you came here. We only replaced the name with the right name of this land.
12. the foundation of the 22 Arab states is one of violence
frank ,   usa   (11.28.09)
dictatorship, discrimination, racism, etc. Why should the Palestinian entity be any different?
13. when your next-door neighbor in the zoo is a wild hog,
u need to have ,   very sharp teeth!   (11.28.09)
14. Noor
zionist forever   (11.28.09)
Face facts if an arab state is ever created a condition of its creation will be it will be demilitarized . Not a single fighter jet Not a single UAV Not a single helicopter gunship Not a single tank Not a single warship Not a single submarine Not a single missile The state can have at best a small security force armed with personal weapons like rifles and a small coast guard whose vessels will not be armed with any kind of gun. Israel will continue to remain the regions superpower and arm itself with the most modern weapons in the world. The palestinians are no position to make demands of any kind. If Israel demands that this arab state have no military its a condition your going to have to accept it. If you want a state that can defend you and a state that can be viable in the long term then the only solution is to accept Jordan as your state and thats the only viable option in the long term because the palestinian entity will not last with or without a military.
15. Pals dont want peace, they want land piece with no peace
Jewishsovereignty ,   islamistshate   (11.28.09)
they hate non islamic sovereignty
16. #6
mark ,   ca   (11.28.09)
"The fatah under both Arafat and Abbas not only accpeted the two state settlement, but recognized Israel's right to exist".Really? arafat got 95% of the land back but at the last moment cut the deal short.You can get rest of the story from the internet. "No other stateless people had to recognize their oppressor's right to exist, so why should we?" "winners take it all".Your people started all of the wars against the State of Israel and you lost.Face the reality. p.s. ask yourself why most of the arab states hate you.
17. In The Zionist State, Palestinians are not even allowed a
RJBH ,   Methil   (11.28.09)
Football team. without Zionist Consent.
18. Yaara, hold your camels.
Noor ,   Palestine   (11.28.09)
"Israel did not wiped Palestine off the map. The Romans called this land Palestine and it was long, long before you came here. We only replaced the name with the right name of this land. " In Anne Frank's diary, she conceded to the existence of Palestine. Mr Ben-Gurion himself had a Palestinian passport.
19. To: No. 6
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.28.09)
The United Nations charter does not call for a "Palestinian observer" either. Yet the Palestinians are the only people that enjoy that privilege. You could have your state. You rejected partition in 1947 and you have rejected a two-state solution twice since 1947. Three strikes, you're out, Noor. Just another one in a long, long list of Palestinian failures to take advantage of opportunity when presented. Israel is not required to come up with any sort of a proposal or a plan that has anything to do with a Palestinian state. Yet, following Palestinian rejection the partition plan in 1947, Israel twice offered a solution which would create a Palestinian state. Both were rejected, including one which would have given the Palestinians 90% of Judea and Samaria and allowed a Palestinian state to name East Jerusalem its capital. Do you understand how sick to death we are of dealing with you? We don't believe you because you do not inspire confidence or belief. A good place to demonstrate good-faith dealing on the part of the Palestinians would be for the thirty-odd Palestinian organizations that each purport to be the true representative of the Palestinian people to recognize the State of Israel and its inalienable right to exist as a sovereign state in its ancient homeland, and a repudiation of all those charters which call for the destruction of the State of Israel and the extermination and/or expulsion of the Jews. Without that, Noor, you should not expect any grand gesture from Israel, and the Palestinians can all go back to pounding sand. We REALLY cannot stand you and your violent ways.
20. #17 Palestinians have their own teams
Cynthia ,   USA   (11.28.09)
The soccer fields may not be in the best shape because they were used to launch kassams at Israel. There are about 15 Arab teams in Israel and many Israeli Arabs play on the national team. As usual, you have no clue what you're talking about.
21. Right On Sarah
Yaron ,   USA   (11.29.09)
Noor is conducting her usual manipulation of the facts to support a people that have a questionnable presence on Jewish land. Noor is ignorant of facts and has in fact become so good at double speak, she sounds reasonable. Noor, Sarah is right....the whole world is tired of the Palestinian story and wish you people would just go away.
22. Arias is 100% correct
Mongo ,   Paris   (11.29.09)
What the Palestinian Arabs need first and foremost is a credible police force in order to sweep the criminial gangsters off the streets. After that, they would need a state of the art jail facilities in order to keep the militant gangsters in. Once this is done, the well intentioned Arabs of Palestine would have an opportunityto choose the best course for the future of their children - if they learn to love them more than they love to hate their Jewish neighbors.
23. #17, In Jordan Palestine, Jews arent allowed to live
David ,   Boston, USA   (11.29.09)
In Israel there are Arab and Jewish team and they play on the same teams, but in Jordan Palestine, the Arab Palestinian state on 80% of the land sometimes known as Palestine under the Ottoman empire, Jews were kicked out, land stolen and they are not allowed citizenship. I think its time for the Arabs to fix Jordan Palestine. The Arab world has a lot to fix in terms of racism. treating blacks, non Muslims, Muslims of differing beliefs as enemies doesnt give you much to say about Israel and the fact that all Israeli citizens are equal, Arabs maybe more so since they dont have to serve in the IDF.
24. Zionist,
Noor ,   Palestine   (11.28.09)
don't imagine that you are living in some kind of utopian society. If you are allowed to arm yourselves, so will the Palestinians. "The state can have at best a small security force armed with personal weapons like rifles and a small coast guard whose vessels will not be armed with any kind of gun. " Let's see how far you will go with such a mindset. "Israel will continue to remain the regions superpower and arm itself with the most modern weapons in the world. " Do the Palestinian people scare you? Do you feel threatened? You sound like such a sorry loser girl. "The palestinians are no position to make demands of any kind. If Israel demands that this arab state have no military its a condition your going to have to accept it. " What a contradictory statement. The whole point of a state is that it is independent of any other state. A Palestinian Arab state that is prevented from possessing a military by Israel is NOT a state, now is it? "the palestinian entity will not last with or without a military. " Well, rather than worry about my future, I suggest you worry about your own. Israel, who was once considered to have an invincible army, has witnessed its power erode since the '87 intifada. As the fourth ranked military power of the world, you suffered embarassing losses against hezbollah in 2006 and Hamas in 2009. The resistance in Palestine has evolved and its leadership is intact. Your government is the most divided government in the world. Better watch your back.
25. #12
Noor ,   Palestine   (11.29.09)
"Why should the Palestinian entity be any different? " Because the first democratic Arab election in 2006 was the first democratic election that the entire world has ever seen, and it happened in Palestine.
26. To: No. 8
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.28.09)
Illegal settlements? Oh, I think not: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Israel-+the+Conflict+and+Peace-+Answers+to+Frequen.htm http://www.jcpa.org/brief/brief2-16.htm http://www.likud.nl/govern87.html Have you ever stopped to contemplate the possibility that everyone is sick to death of Palestinian whining? You should have jumped at the opportunity to create a Palestinian state when partition came to a vote in 1947. But no, you didn't. Not Israel's fault. Rejecting partition was the single worst decision ever made by the Palestinians, but no one forced the Palestinians to reject the offer. They did it all by their lonesome. Just because the consequences are not to your liking doesn't mean that it can be undone, or that it SHOULD be undone. It should not. Six wars, sixty-one plus years of unrelenting Palestinian terror haven't worked. Your leadership has let you down enormously, but that is no reason to give the Palestinians yet another bite at the apple. Some choices are forever, Noor. The sooner the Palestinians realize this, the better things will be for all people concerned. Don't bother Israel -- take your issues up with the real Palestinian state, Jordan. Finally -- judging from the instantaneous reactions following Abbas' threat to declare a Palestinian state from the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council and the European Union en bloc, doesn't really seem that anyone is all that anxious to see a Palestinian state come into being. But we knew that already, didn't we? Arafat (may his name be cursed for all eternity) tried the same stunt in 1988. The world giggled and promptly moved on. Had you forgotten that?
27. To: No. 17
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.29.09)
Check your facts before you post nonsense, okay? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_national_football_team http://www.womentalksports.com/items/read/15/76977
28. To: No. 18
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.29.09)
Palestine (not a corruption of the word "Philistine," by the way, but rather a corruption of the Latin word "palatine," one of whose meanings is "district"). There was never any such thing as a Palestine passport. They were British passports issued to "His Majesty's subjects under the Palestine Mandate." Even so, Noor, did you know that the British used "Palestinians" exclusively to identify Jews? Arabs were just always called Arab. Finally, how is it that between 1948 and 1967, all Arabs squatting in Judea and Samaria were content to be Jordanian? How is it that between 1948 and 1967, all Arabs squatting in Gaza were content to be Egyptian? "Palestinian" is a term made up out of whole cloth by Arab pretenders to a distinct nationality. As I said, up until modern statehood, when the British -- or anyone else -- used the appellation "Palestinian," they were referring solely to the Jews. Just another identity you are trying to steal and to which you have no historical right.
29. To: No. 7
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.29.09)
"Demand that your government fully withdraw its presence from the occupied Palestinian territories, and then will Israelis see peace. No justice=no peace. Simple math." Noor, Noor, Noor. Don't you EVER stop? How many times have you been told that there is no "occupation" of Judea and Samaria. Sigh -- yet again -- read here: http://www.globalpolitician.com/24388-israel-jerusalem By the way, threatening Israel with more Palestinian violence is not the way to go, do you realize that? "Oh really? Care to mention an example?" Sure, why not! How about the Air France jet hijacked to Entebbe? How about the Palestinian bombing of the United States Embassy and the Marine Barracks in Beirut? September 1970: As part of the Dawson's Field hijackings, PFLP members attempted to hijack four aircraft simultaneously. They succeeded on three and forced the planes to fly to the Jordanian desert, where the hijackers blew up the aircraft after releasing most of the hostages. The final hostages were freed in exchange for seven Palestinian prisoners. The fourth attack on an El Al plane by two people including Leila Khalid was foiled by armed guards aboard. Lufthansa Flight 181 (also known as the Landshut) was hijacked by Palestinian highjackers on a flight from Palma de Mallorca to Frankfurt. The ordeal ended in Mogadishu, Somalia when GSG 9 commandos stormed the plane. Three hijackers were killed and 86 hostages were freed. The pilot was killed. Three Palestinian members of the Abu Nidal Organization hijacked on November 23, its Athens to Cairo route,EgyptAir Flight 648 and fly it to Malta. All together, 60 people died, most of them when Egyptian commandos stormed the aircraft. Battles between Palestinian guerrilla forces and the Jordanian army continued during the closing months of 1970 and the first six months of 1971. In November 1971, members of the Palestinian Black September group, who took their name from the civil war, assassinated Jordanian Prime Minister Wasfi al-Tal in Cairo. In December the group made an unsuccessful attempt to assassinate the Jordanian ambassador to Britain. In the aftermath of Black September in Jordan, many Palestinians arrived in Lebanon, among them Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). In the early 1970s their presence exacerbated an already tense situation in Lebanon, and in 1975 the Lebanese Civil War broke out. Beginning with street fighting in Beirut between Christian Phalangists and Palestinian militiamen, the war quickly deteriorated into a conflict between two loosely defined factions: the side wishing to preserve the status quo, consisting primarily of Maronite militias, and the side seeking change, which included a variety of militias from leftist organizations and guerrillas from rejectionist Palestinian (nonmainstream PLO) organizations. The Lebanese civil war lasted until 1990 and resulted in an estimated 130,000 to 250,000 civilian fatalities and one million wounded. Let me know if you need additional examples. There are many. "Let's see you go far in life with such a horrific mindset." That is really rich, coming from a Palestinian. How far in life have the Palestinians gone with their horrific mindset of terror and murder? Noor, you're a joke.
30. Israel
Shami ,   NY   (11.29.09)
Israel is not a real country, It was created in 1948, by the world powers, it is a merage that soon will be gone, just like smoke. no matter how dense the smoke is, sooner or later is disppear. just give it time.
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