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Rome Jewish leader presses pope on Pius XII 'silence'
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Published: 17.01.10, 20:01
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1. VATICAN NEVER DID PEE ON A INJURY
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (01.17.10)
"to pee on a injury" its an old saying in my country. medicine accepts that if you truly pee on a injury ( not all injuries) , it makes the injury heal. ANYWAY ! WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY ! ATİLLA ? I mean ! give a look at world todays or yesterdays ! WE NEVER HEAR THAT VATICAN OR OTHER RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS , THEY NEVER GIVE A TRUE HELP TO OUT. what they do ? DRESS NICE LIVE NICE .. ... *** HOLOCAUST ! IT WAS BEYOND ALL WORDS AS YOU BEEN SAY, I AM SURE IF VATICAN WANTED , THEY COULD HAVE DONE MUCH. BUT YOU SAY ! VATICAN DIDNT HELP. IT COULD BE TRUE. I dont know Vaticans past. so why I dont know about WWII BUT I KNOW TODAY. VATICAN NEVER HELPS GAZANS VATICAN NEVER HELP FOR THE PEACE BETWEEN ISRAEL & PALESTINE. so ! as the others AS ALL THE OTHERS ! VATICAN IS A DEAD RELIGIOUS ORGANISATION FOR ME.
2. croatia
Shavit ,   Chicago   (01.17.10)
this, i believe is an article of terribly biased opinion in writing. Read how terribly and how subjective the vatican was in helping nazi germany accomplish their goals before the decision of extermination and during the whole deportation project. the church was adamant in helping the croatians extermintate all jews, bosnians and serbs that populated the aread together regardless the strife and yet, we write here, in a sense, indirectly praising the church for the 'hushed efforts' to help others. its rather humorous seeing people bleed over words soo illy transcribed..
3. the records speak for themselves
tom ,   toronto, canada   (01.17.10)
the crucial issue is not what pius did or didn't do 70 years ago, but the records in the archives. by not opening the archives first, the vatican is revealing its true motives in all of this: the records would reveal both what the pope really did, but more importantly, it would make it possible for jewish children, hidden in catholic institutions to find their roots. by now, those "children" have their own children and grandchildren, who have been raised thinking they are catholics, it seems that the vatican wants to claim credit for the physical "salvation" of jews during the holocaust, by kidnapping and baptising them, effectively, in exchange for their souls. in clear and plain language, those are not the actions of a "saint", and the current catholic leadership is complicit as well.
4. Lies turned to truth and...
Lior ,   Israel   (01.17.10)
history rewritten. Not even a mirror to the face can change the tune of the Vatican nor to others who easily swallow the new truths of rewritten history.
5. ENOUGH OF LIES FROM THE VATICAN AND THE POPE !
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPORE   (01.17.10)
WE JEWS HAVE THE TORAH- THE VATICAN HAS NOTHING ! Thine ointments have a goodly fragrance. To the first forfathers ouR Hashem gave the fragrance of few percepts- one percept to Adam, six percepts to Noah and his sons. But us Israeli when we came to sinai, ' Thy Name is as ointment poured forth' like a a man who pour out of an amphora, so did You ( HaShem ) pour out upon us all the presenopts- to hundred and forty eight positive percepts- two hundred and sixty negative percepts. we jews dont need you POPES or your LIES or your IDOLTARY, UNCHASITY, BLOODSHED, BLASHPEMY...... WE JEWS HAVE ONE G-D, WE DONT NEED TO POPES WHO CLAIM TO BE GODS. BENJAMIN SINGAPORE ;-)
6. SO I AM YOUR BELOVED ELDER BROTHER
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPORE   (01.17.10)
:-)~ i AM LIKE THE HILAZON SNAIL...THE EIGHT DAY OF MY LIFE FELL ON SHABBAT, I WAS CIRCUMCISED BY ' WORK OF LABOR" ..... POPE JOHN PAUL ii JUST PROVOKED MY MEMORY :-)
7. Nor did they protect child molesters? The Catholic Church
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (01.17.10)
has NO morals. They want the collections, they want the power, they want to have so many Catholics born the whole world will starve. The Catholic Church has NO morals.
8. 2day the Vatican't during WWII the Vatididn't!
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9. Read a history book! Learn about Xns "saving" Jews
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.17.10)
The late Oxford historian James Parkes: "The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue." Yeah, great "love" and "respect"; right from the first / original Christians and Church in 135 C.E. -- proclaiming that Jews were blinded by g-d, condemned to hell and enemies g-d and (therefore) of the Church. It's called misojudaism, not respect! In fact, sometime between 142-168 C.E., Hegesippus is documented (in Eusebius) as Εποιησαμην--having "fabricated" or "constructed"--the fictional "papal succession" to his time (see our History Museum pages by clicking in the panel at left in our home page). The entire "papal succession" traces back to the first "bishop" (later called "popes"), who was installed in Yerushalayim in 135 C.E. as a result of the forcible ouster (with the exile of all Jews from Yerushalayim) of the 15th Jewish Netzarim Paqid, Paqid Yehudah ha-Tzadiq (documented, and all 15 listed, in Eusebius). Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jews & non-Jews)
10. As opposed to the Rabbinate
Bill ,   NJ, US   (01.17.10)
Bunnie, you should convert and follow the teachings of Christ. He taught, "those without sin cast the first stone". According to the news lately, a lot of Rabbis have been having their own issue with children, organ theft, money laundering, etc. If I were you, I'd drop the stone and worry about your own house first.
11. Enough already
Sigfried S. Kuhn ,   Aberdeen   (01.18.10)
Only those who have access to the Vatican archives know for sure if the wartime Pope really tried to help the Jews escape extermination. However, there were priests who turned their congregants against the Jews by their antisemitic sermons and the Pope failed to defrock them even after the war was over and that is a real clue as to how the Pope really felt about the fate of European Jewry. Anyway, the Vatican wasn't the only force that did nothing to save the Jews. It is well-documented that FDR refused to allow the doomed Jews on the St. Louis to enter the US and the ship was forced back to nazi Europe. American officials like the state dept. worker Breckenridge Long did everything he could to make sure that Jews were killed. He ordered workers to deny visas to desparate Jews and obviously was a vicious antisemite. Yet the Democratic party, the self-hating Jews of the NY Times and other never apologized for their part in the genocide.
12. Hey Bill (#10) - are you one of those
Arthur ,   SF, CA   (01.18.10)
Nazi escapees from Europe who were hidden, protected and helped by Vatican to reach the safe shores of Americas? What's your grudge against the Jews? BTW - as far as I'm cocerned - the one you claim to be your "savior' - was one of our boys. Whatever happens in the family - is stricktly family business. Why would you get involved with him? Nicer idol probably...
13. If the Pope saved Jews let's see the ARCHIVES!
m   (01.18.10)
Saying it doesn' t make it so. One other sticky problem on top of not saving Jews the Vatican helped senio nazis escape to South America with money, false papers and disguised as monks.
14. Siegfried Kuhn 11
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.18.10)
After checking half of the list of French Righteous amongst the Nations , i found more than 50 Christian clergy persons . There were 4 French bishops [ out of 80 ! ] who issued pastoral letters against the anti Jewish laws . There was this slovak catholic priest-prime minister who not only supported , but was behind the deportations of Jews from this country . You had the very BAD , but also , the GOOD ones .
15. Atilla Karagözoğlu
Mongo ,   Paris   (01.18.10)
"VATICAN NEVER HELPS GAZANS" that´s because they chose to be run by Islamic fundamentalists who are Terrorists. "VATICAN IS A DEAD RELIGIOUS ORGANISATION FOR ME." Maybe your brain cells are rather dead too...
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