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Obama has other priorities
Yoram Ettinger
Published: 30.01.10, 15:25
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1. Exxcellent analysis.
Jae ,   Lynn US   (01.30.10)
2. Precisely!
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.30.10)
Finally, an admission from the United States administration that (a) Americans are not interested in rapprochement with the Islamofascist world and (b) the American vox populi supports Israel -- now, more than ever. Obama is a one-term fraud. Unless he manages to get himself impeached first -- a very strong possibility.
3. The deal has already been made. Only the details are pending
Marcella   (01.30.10)
WND reporter Aaron Klein said that negotiations between the US and Abbas on the one hand, and conversations (Israel is just told what to do) between the US and Israel on the other, have reached a very advanced stage. It's a deal. Don't let this apparent refusal by Abbas to meet with Israeli delegates fool you. Negotiations have been taking place all along, only indirectly, through the US. When Netanyahu says he won't go back to the 1967 borders, he means that he won't go back to exactly the 1967 borders. He's trying to keep you distracted and off-balance with the construction freeze, and pacified with speeches and tree planting ceremonies in Yesha. But he has already surrendered the Jewish heartland. Issues to keep in mind. 1) Annexation is the only solution. MK Hotovely called for annexation not long ago. There should have been enthusiastic support. But there wasn't . Why? 2) Judea, Samaria, Gaza are legally Israeli. There have been in-depth studies that demonstrate that according to international law, all the heartland is legally Israeli land. Not even the nationalist MKs want to mention this. Why? 3) There is no demographic threat. Mr Yoram Ettinger has debunked the PA Arab demographic threat, showing that their census numbers are bogus. All these facts to no avail. There does not seem to be enough hope for annexation among Israelis, and there is too much fatalism among Israeli leaders, who seem resigned to surrender their land without firing a shot.. This is a completely baffling situation. If Israel couldn't defend itself against Gaza's crude Kassam rockets, how is it going to deal with a Palestinian state armed to the teeth and supported by ME bullies such as Iran? The only way Israel can have a minimum of peace is to annex Judea, Samaria and Gaza, let Arabs apply for legal residency, and begin building their economy, while continuing to defuse terrorist threats.
4. #3 Marcella, we refuse apartheid, the world does too
Nour ,   Palestine   (01.30.10)
"The only way Israel can have a minimum of peace is to annex Judea, Samaria and Gaza, let Arabs apply for legal residency, and begin building their economy, while continuing to defuse terrorist threats" I would like to know - what are you smoking? What if we refuse to live as subhumans on our land? What's your solution - then? Because we have no intention of surrendering our human, national, and full citizenship rights. Chew on it.
5. Marcella #3: Why the lack of enthusiam for annexation?
Steve   (01.30.10)
Indeed, you are correct. Judea, Samaria, Gaza should all be annexed. Why the lack of enthusiasm? I believe it is partly generated by the fear of international condemnation, as well as pressure to enfranchise a large enemy civilian populace. Take the north American example. American Indians were defeated nations - their lands had been entirely confiscated - by the mid to late nineteenth century, yet they were not afforded full citizenship until 1924! Why this lengthy interval between subjugation and citizenship? Compared to Israel's angry, restive Muslim population, American Indians were peaceful, loyal neighbors. In large part it was due to racism, but also the wide-spread notion that the Indians needed to be "civilized." Israel's leaders fear they will be pressured to enfranchise (grant voting rights to) 3-4 million enemy civilians following annexation. A nation does not enfranchise enemy civilians. Not if it wishes to survive.
6. Evilangelical Supremacist Court led byt
AY_Lamb ,   Globestan   (01.30.10)
John a.k.a pat Roberts-son murdered democracy in the US. These right-wing nuts some (playing Jewish) because after all their jesus is the "king of the Jews" just turned America into a plutocracy - let gay corporations serve in the military if they are truly individuals. go vox some porcus!!
7. Not bad.
Brad ,   USA   (01.30.10)
This article spells out a plan which is much better than the present one. Just stay out of it and be a friend, instead of pressuring Israel to give up land for peace that never comes. If Obama does it, it will either be by accident or he will have other motives. He's not that sharp, and he's no friend of Israel.
8. #5 Steve
Marcella   (01.30.10)
Steve, the comparison between Arabs living in Judea and Samaria with American Indians is not appropriate. The original inhabitants of Jewdea, Samaria, and Jewrusalem are Jews. There are tons of archeological and historical evidence to that effect. Ironically, most countries who accuse Israel of occupation are unable to claim such ancient links to their land. The issue of voting rights is being exploited mostly by the left. They are using the demographic fear as a psychological tool. Strangely, they are all for giving full rights to African infiltrators, foreign workers and their children, and so on. Leftist parties, including Kadima, court Arab voters, and count on them at election time. They are not afraid of more non-Jews in Israel. Their reasons for fear-mongering are more twisted than that. And regarding fear of international condemnation among the Israeli general public - this has not been rationally analyzed. A future with a Palestinian state next door looks extremely grim. Harassment and violence against Jews by their Arabs neighbors will not end with the establishment of another Arab state. Israel will retaliate. The world will condemn Israel. Palestine's allies will threaten Israel. Western nations will tell Israel to refrain from "disproportionate force" or else. And it will be a non-ending nightmare. Think Gaza, only a thousand times worse. The 1967 war was simple compared with a future war involving Palestine's nuclear allies, and Palestine itself possibly armed with WMDs. The fear of international condemnation is something that must be confronted by each individual and by the nation as a whole. Israel is a nuclear power, but it's also an admirable country with full human rights, and a technological and scientific giant. If the world does not like Israel and the Jews, that's too bad. Israel should not be bullied into dismantling itself. The blame for lack of support for annexation lies on the shoulders of right wing leaders. So far they've been fighting side issues, such as the freeze, or trying to take over Likud in some far-future election, instead of focusing on pressuring the government to declare annexation NOW. There is little time left. If only a few leaders got together, made this their main agenda, and applied their political and moral influence on the PM and the population, they could change the fate of Israel and thus avoid the new Holocaust that is sure to follow if Israel falls.
9. #6IDIOT! There are 5 Justices that are dems.4Justices are
Nows the time ,   Nows the place.   (01.30.10)
Conservatives. So who really has the power here? Just like the dem. party now controlled by idiotic thinking morons can't get anything passed though they are in the majority, the Supreme Court is no different. 5 is more than 4, 4 is not more than 5. The probelem with the left wing is that they are at each others throats because they want to parade around pompously so they can display who is more removed from middle minded American thinking. It is we the people,(middle America)dems,independants,and repubs. that are controling things now. How funny that the dems have the presidancy,the House, and the Senate, and they can't get one damn thing done. Obama and clan really brought something to the American people when he came into office. A new slogan you might say. "Change we the people REFUSE to believe in". By the way, you weren't to good in math when you were in school were you????
10. Obama just recently blamed the Israeli people for no peace.
Ari ,   Netanya, Israel   (01.30.10)
He was doing another campaign speech in Florida the day after the State of the Union Speech. He was asked the question about the plight of the Pals and Jews. He said that Bibi wanted to do more to move the Peace process forward, but he is met with a recalcitrant citizenry. There is a pattern with this bafoon in the White House. Whenever something doesn't get done, or passed, he always blames somebody else instead of coming to the conclusion that his vision of world dominance is flawed beyond repair. His credibility as being a world leader in good standings has dipped to an all time low.
11. Steve - "Indian" what you mean by that?
AY_Lamb ,   Globestan   (01.30.10)
Christo-Europeans followed their typical doctrine in the assimilation of the Americas - Immersion, Assimilation, Annihilation Look up the 26 martyrs guy the Shogunate didn't fall into that trap.
12. Domestic concerns & politics will be his overwhelming.......
Cameron ,   USA   (01.30.10)
priority. His plate is already overloaded with goals & agenda, and he'll he have neither time nor resources to begin to seriously 'transform' the Arab-Israeli setting in the next 3 years. The Israeli-Arab context will remain peripheral & occasional at best as internal politics become more tenuous and demanding under his watch.
13. EXACTLY !!!.
Arn. ,   SWEDEN.   (01.30.10)
THE US WILLALSO VERY SOON FACE, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND DISTURBANCES, ALMOST TO AN UPROAR/UPRISING AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT. Arn.
14. Nour, answer
ben Ish   (01.30.10)
I tell you exactly what you are supposed to do: 1) keep your neighbors from attacking and murdering Jews so we can live in peace. and/or 2) Take a short bus ride EAST to Jordan, and stay there, and do whatever the hell you want. Perhaps an education would be in order, one that does not confuse terrorism and murder with 'rights' of any sort.
15. Marcella #8: The comparison is NOT and IS appropriate.
Steve   (01.30.10)
The comparison between Arabs living in Judea and Samaria and American Indians is NOT appropriate from the standpoint that the original inhabitants of Judea, Samaria, and Jerusalem were and are Jews. In this regard, you are correct. The comparison is appropriate, in the sense that the American people and their leaders are in the forefront of this effort to wrench Jewish land from its rightful owners, thereby giving it to a people who have no right to the land. How much land are the descendants of these white European interlopers willing to return to their aboriginal inhabitants? Do you know? How many American Indian states will the American people establish in the north American continent. Will the Americans return Florida to the Seminoles? Will they return North and South Carolina, Georgia to the Cherokee Indians? Will the Americans return the Black Hills (parts of South Dakota and Wyoming) to the Lakota Sioux? Are Americans willing to give back lands that were taken by sheer theft? By aggressive military conquest? Since the American people and their leaders are demanding the Jews give historically Jewish land to squatters, how much land will these land-grabbers return to the Mexicans and the American Indians. Americans, unlike Israel's Jews, have no historic connection to the north American continent and yet the Americans are demanding the Jews give land to inveterate enemies, dedicated to their annihilation. Please Marcella, don't give me this nonsense that it is President Obama who alone is doing this. It is the American people who demand this through their leaders. Did the American people not elect George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama? In this sense, the comparison is indeed appropriate.
16. PURE GARBAGE
Frank-el ,   Detroit, USA   (01.30.10)
This article is pure garbage. It could easily be shortened to: "President Obama should ignore the strategic interests of his own country and hand the keys over to Isreal." The dangerous arrogance displayed by this used car salesman crystalizes the subservient attitude such huckers demand from the US. Any USA poster who supports this position of national surrunder to Israel is a traitor. Revoke your US citizenship and please move to Isreal and let true Americans determine our own destiny. I have a better idea if you want US to stay away: Isreal should disengage from all lobbying, espionage, and other polluting activities in the USA; Israel should get its hand out of Uncle Sam's pocket; Isreal should return stolen US national security documents and extradite US criminals who sought refuge in Isreal; Isreal should disclose its nuclear weapons and sign NPT agreements. The rabid dog pack has turned on Obama for having the nerve to actually try to frame peace by stopping inflammatory construction activity. How dare the US President actully try to cure this festering boil of regional stupidity and intransigence? We don't need to cowtow to your Friends of Israel in Washington. Take your dirty money and leave. How about we send some Friends of America over to the Knesset and tell you how to run your country instead? ME peace is in USA's strategic interest; however, Isreal by its own actions is making itself a liability. Friends like you we don't need.
17. Obama
Conker ,   Israel   (01.30.10)
should either pick between Israel or arabs and go with it or simply not interfere and wait until things will sort out themselfs. Otherwise the poor dude is being flamed from all sides.
18. #15 Steve
Marcella   (01.30.10)
Steve, you write: "Please Marcella, don't give me this nonsense that it is President Obama who alone is doing this. It is the American people who demand this through their leaders. Did the American people not elect George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama? " I don't think I said anything of the sort. But I don't blame Obama - not entirely. The blame lies with Israeli leaders, particularly the PM. Obama thinks that demanding Israel's partition is good for the USA. Temporarily, at least. Your list of instances where the USA has grabbed someone else's land goes to prove this point: Americans for the most part look after their own interests. Obama said it very clearly at the beginning of his administration: he wants a Palestinian state because he thinks it will be good for American interests. Obama may couch his words in PC terms, as if he were motivated to help the PA/Gaza Arabs because putting it too bluntly would not be good for his legacy. But he was clear enough. Steve, I've grown tired of putting this in a moral context. People do not care. Whether American Jews or Israeli leftists, or even Israeli politicians themselves, they just don't care. They know that what they're doing to Israel is wrong, but they don't care. That's why I center my talkbacks on only one issue now: annexation based on international law. I'm absolutely sick of hearing Israeli politicians cite UN resolutions, or President Bush's promises to Sharon, or even the immorality and unfairness of American policies regarding Israel. We've had decades of that. And nobody cares. I'd like to cut the Gordian knot of UN resolutions and Oslo agreement and promises by everyone and go right to the point: that International law (League of Nations, St Remo Resolution, etc.) supports the legality of Israel's present borders and Israel needs to annex the land once and for all. Being morally right doesn't guarantee anything at all in the international arena. You need either a powerful military, or powerful allies, or blackmail, or even terrorism to get what you want these days. Moral considerations are academic and do not affect outcome. If Israel had a proper leader, Israelis would support him. Obama and the UN and the EU and the Arabs would be powerless. A proper leader would demand that the USA and the EU and the UN abide by their own international agreements regarding Israel's borders. And he would not wait for them to do so. He would annex the territories and proceed from there. But there is no proper leader. There are a bunch of timid or deceptive individuals who do not represent the majority of the population. I think that a lot of Americans would support annexation. So would PM Stephen Harper of Canada. The problem is that they can't express such support now because the government of Israel itself has agreed to the creation of an Arab state! Someone needs to take on the leadership role in Israel, gain the support of right wing MKs and other political and religious leaders, and put pressure on Mr. Netanyahu to do what is right for Israel and the Jewish people.
19. Marcella #8: Read Frank-el,Detroit, USA #16
Steve   (01.30.10)
Read this loyal American's piece and then get back to me. Frank-el speaks for America! I rest my case.
20. Time to Topple the 0.001% rulership of Jordan?
Jae ,   Lynn US   (01.30.10)
80% palestinian there already. 2) annex Judea , Samaria
21. Marcella #18: You are mis-reading the Americans.
Steve   (01.30.10)
You wrote: "Obama said it very clearly at the beginning of his administration: he wants a Palestinian state because he thinks it will be good for American interests...." That is not exactly what he said. I listened to him carefully in Cairo. Obama, like Bush and other American leaders said it is first and foremost in Israel's interest for there to be a Muslim-enemy state side by side a Jewish state. Only then is it in America's and the world's interest. Obama (Cairo): "The only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security. (Applause.) "That is IN ISRAEL'S INTEREST (emphasis mine), Palestine's interest, America's interest, and the world's interest." We call this paternalism. Israel's Jews are treated like "little children" by the magnanimous "great father" in Washington. General Andrew Jackson (later US president) and other American leaders made clear to the Indian tribes, it was in their interest to remove west of the Mississippi River. It was in their interest to remove to "fine" reservations where they would be "most happy and prosperous and well-provided for." Today it is in Israel's interest to remove entirely west, out of Judea, Samaria, east Jerusalem, etc., to an indefensible sliver of land along the Mediterranean sea.
22. #19 Steve
Marcella   (01.30.10)
Steve, you posted #19 before you had the chance to read my #18. So I reiterate this: I've had it with arguments from all sides and I want action on the part of the Israeli government. I'm tired of seeing Israel begging other countries to fulfill their international obligations, or to see it explaining and apologizing for every act of self-defense. Israel's destiny and that of the Jewish people should not be dependent on the feelings of the American people or of anyone else on the planet. Israel's right to exist should not be dependent on anyone's approval. Israel is one of the most ancient civilizations, with a territory filled with artifacts from its Jewish past. Israel does not have to prove anything to anyone. Modern Israel came to be - partly - as a result of international agreements that were subsequently violated. Much of the land that was legitimately recognized as Jewish land for a Jewish state was carved out and given to the Arabs (present state of Jordan). The historical and legal facts are all there. Israel has the right to its present borders. The reason why there has been this decades-old argument back and forth is that Israeli leaders of all political parties have been reluctant to assert Israel's rights. I'm familiar with your talkbacks, Steve, and with your frustration at the betrayal by US presidents and the attitude of voters regarding Israel. But I say it again: the biggest moral and political blame lies with Israeli leaders themselves. Take Netanyahu, for instance. He's an articulate individual, speaks perfect English. He has given numerous speeches since he took power last year. He could have educated the world about Israel's rights under international law. And then gone ahead and annexed the land. But he did not. Instead he surrendered without a fight to the demands of a foreign country. Nothing is done without prior consultation with the White House or State Department. The country is swarming with US government delegates and NGOs. Foreign pressure? That's what a capable Israeli leader should be able to overcome. And a proper leader would not turn around and do the opposite of what he promised to his people. Every little tin-pot dictator challenges the USA these days. But the only one who cowers is the leader of Israel. And he lets the US micromanage Israel as if it were a vassal country. Steve, I don't care what critics of Israel say about the country. I only care about what Israeli leaders say or fail to say and do at this crucial moment in Jewish history. The ball is in their court.
23. ari, you should quote President Obama correctly...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.31.10)
...lest you become a diplomatic PR problem for Israel. Oh, never mind, Israel has never faced the level of PR disaster it is having right now because of the doomed attempt to deny the contents of the Goldstone Report. I don't think you could hurt it much more. President Obama, down in Tampa, said it was the right wing Israelis in Bibi's coalition that were holding Bibi back from making some serious concessions. That Bibi was ready to wheel and deal if it weren't for the right wing who is standing in the way of peace. And the punch line was they're holding it up just like Hamas. It was a masterful and well-though out stroke of genius. It will have the right wing all abuzz wondering what Bibi has already secretly promised the US President? President Obama rightly equated the Israel right wing, those that yell "death to the Arabs" at ball games - with the extremists on the other side of the fence, Hamas et al, who have been know to gather and chant 'death the Israel'. The Yin and Yang that all of us who really want to see a fair and just settlement have always warned about. Now the United States President has recognized and spoke on this truth.
24. The Obama administration.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (01.31.10)
Fatah, which controls the PA, can hold a conference reasserting its refusal to accept Israel’s existence as a Jewish state while glorifying terrorists and rejecting an end of claims in any future peace agreement with Israel and yet the Obama Administration acts as though the key to the problem is to stop Jews moving into eastern Jerusalem and the West Bank. This is how shadow-boxing and process takes on a life of its own. More at : http://xrl.us/bfq9c8
25. Excellent discussion, Marcella and Steve,
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (01.31.10)
just what a Talkback should be. One point, Steve: I don't think Frank-el from Detroit would fairly represent Americans given the large, very large, Lebanese population which resides in Detroit and nearby Dearborn. It is a region more associated with mideastern interests. If I am wrong, kindly elucidate.
26. yes, ari, why don't you quote the Muslim President correctly
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (01.31.10)
shame on you ari, to divulge to the world what B. Hussein says, do you think of yourself to be a yellow journalist like me, making up quotes?
27. TNET should cover Yoram's articles more often
trumpeldor   (01.31.10)
instead of their usual skewed leftists views
28. to #26 doesn't matter Nobama put Israel
ghostq   (01.31.10)
palestinian conflict the last priority you don't need to look for the quots someone else wrote to him(since we all know presidents don't write their own speaches) I can tell you the policy of Liberal party since dawn of time, less forign activity more inner activity, CHAVES and his colegue Iran nuke r his first priority right now, DUH.
29. Nour #4
Avi ,   Tel aviv   (01.31.10)
nour, we don't expect you to surrender. We hope you don't. We hope you fight back. Then we permanently solve this sticky situation.
30. Obama is enjoying the free amenitees of a Holiday Inn
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (01.31.10)
Vacation. A passing Tourist saw Barack Obama and asked him, Say....aren't you the president of the United States?" Obama turned and retorted back," No, I'm not the President.....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!" Obama likes the soft springy mattresses at the Holiday Inn, White House Express. He jumps up and down on them with the kids.....just like a trampoline."weeee they all yell," at the top of their lungs. He's to busy playing basketball to bother with running a country, or handling Mid East problems. He does like the buffet though."The foods great," he's been overheard saying to tourists. Maybe we have a tourist and Chief for President?
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