1. Hegai Segal's solution? Lock Pals up and throw away the key!
What an absurd article. A man like Salam Fayyad drops by to reassure you of everything you ever wanted to hear (recognition, secure borders, etc.) yet you want to pelt him with eggs and deligitimize all he stands for.
I guess you feel more comfortable with Hamas being elected, and a total and inhumance siege on Gaza and the West Bank as a result.
People like you DESERVE a forced one station solution and deserve the racist concept of exclusivist jewish state stripped from them and shipped back to wherever they came from!!!!
| Nour , |
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2. Segal is wrong
There was a time when the notion of Jewish independence was laughed at and ridiculed yet this dream became a reality so there is no reason why Palestinian independence from Israel cannot also be a reality. Another parallel is the fact that like the Jews of Europe the Palestinians are also under persecution and mortal danger and only an independent state can save them. Too often we forget and ignore our own history and fail to transpose our empathy to other people, truly if Jews were persecuted like the Palestinians have been we would have been up in arms demanding that the world not repeat the barbarity of Nazi Germany. Sadly we have forgotten our history and have shown only selfishness to the plight of others whose shoes we once stood in.
We say “Never Again” but we only apply this to ourselves. I would seem that our self-interests have blinded our morality.
| William , |
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3. #2
You deserve a standing ovation. I hope that people like you are saved, since you're an endangered species in Israel already.
Most probably Israel will learn - the hard way.
| Nour , |
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4. #1
Very well put Nour, I could not have said better myself.
| William , |
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5. ...I thought they already declared independence, in 1988...
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6. Hagai Segal, how about going back to where you came from
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7. Do you mean the Golden Calf
"God did not carve out a natural border in the midst of the land"
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8. PALESTINE 4 EVER
Palestine will appear, when Israel disappear PLEASE remember this
| Salma , |
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9. #1, 2, 3, 4
Thank you guys
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10. They had independance since 1948
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11. The author is correct...
It is laughable...
The pals can't get a long with each other,how can they possibly even think of a state until Fatah/Hamas reconcile?
Even then,they don't want peace.
With peace,they will eventually lose their welfare cheques....never happen.
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12. I totaly Disagree with you
Mr. Segal,
Your argument is flawed. You say and I quote "there is no technical possibility of creating ethnic separation between the two population groups."
If this is true, then how do you explain the separation wall/fence barrier (call it what you wish) along with the system of check point that prevents entry of Palestinians into Israel ?
This of course leaves one other possibility, that you are referring to the settlers who live in the West Bank. Well that is easy, the settlers, are not here to stay, they never were. The purpose of creating the settlements was to create a reality on the ground that would be used in the future as a bargaining chip against the right of return to the Palestinians .
(for those of you who want confirmation you can easily consult the web, and Sharon, who envisioned such an ingenious solution)
Again, i believe that using humans, families as a bargaining chip is cruel and degrading the basic human values, but it will happen, just like it did in Gaza, and Sinai before, and ironically, it will be done by the Israeli government, the same government that continues to spread lies to the setters, reassuring them that they will stay, only to go behind their backs and cry in front of TV cameras about the new diaspora they are force to inflict upon their people, all in the name of peace.
And thus, there will be Palestinian state next to Israel, whether we like it or not, as the forces that be, have already spoken, and its only a matter of time before it happens.
So you see, its all been arranged, just sit back and enjoy the show.
(if anyone, after reading this, as a sick feeling in his/her stomach, they are not alone)
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13. This situation is not laughable but quite serious
I'd say it's Mr. Segal's attitude that is sadly out of touch with reality. Whistling in the dark, like a child trying to convince himself that there's nothing to worry about.
First of all, the internal conditions of the PA/Gaza and the legitimacy of Abbas' rule are NO obstacle for statehood.
US/EU/UN support for Arab statehood is in no way based on their readiness for statehood but on everyone's desire to partition and weaken Israel - with Israel's eventual destruction as their ultimate goal. That's their real agenda.
Any excuse for the dismemberment of Israel would be just as good.
Remember that it started way back during the League of Nations Mandate. A huge chunk of Jewish Palestine was taken quite illegally by the British and transformed into the kingdom of Jordan.
And also remember how during Israeli defensive wars nobody came to Israel's aid because they assumed the Jews would lose those wars.
In the aftermath of the 1967 unexpected victory there was enormous pressure from Israel's allies for surrender of territory in exchange for a worthless piece of paper. Sinai and its oil are gone.
So, neither legal, security, logical nor moral considerations will stop the Arab's western allies from supporting their unilateral declaration of independence.
The author offers good arguments against the establishment of a Palestinian state. And by the way, let's not forget the agreed-on land corridor between Ramallah and Gaza, which will split Israel in two.
However it's a bit too late to think that presenting those arguments will convince the world or YOUR very own government.
Netanyahu has adopted the Labor agenda. He knows that the Gaza situation will repeat itself even more severely along the border with the state of Palestine. But never mind. Facts mean nothing when dealing with a leftist self-destructive mindset.
So, Mr. Segal, Instead of reassuring your compatriots of the absurdity of the PA/USA plan for unilateral independence, you ought to call Israelis to organize and strongly pressure the government to declare sovereignty over the land as soon as possible.
Israel has the legal basis for annexation but for decades now it has neglected to establish outright sovereignty.
The result has been disastrous. The PA has indoctrinated at least a couple of generations of children with extreme hatred against Israel and the Jews. It has also made masterful use of PR to turn the world against Israel. And countless lives have been lost on both sides.
All that Israeli dithering for nothing. In the end Mr Netanyahu agreed to surrender, while demanding some ridiculous and unenforceable conditions - just for show.
The US has put Israel on notice that if it doesn't surrender within two years, the PA will declare unilateral independence with the full support of the United Nations. Those threats are SERIOUS.
Prevent future wars, and prevent the certain destruction of Israel by annexing the land NOW.
And another thing. Your PM is eager to engage in talks with Syria - which means nothing except the surrender of Golan. That too is SERIOUS! And it's happening right now.
What's the point of having your magnificent IDF if your own government surrenders without firing a shot!
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14. Here are several citations from Sakharov:
"Israel has an indisputable right to exist"; "Israel has a right to existence within safe borders"; "All wars that Israel has waged have been just, forced upon it by the irresponsibility of Arab leaders"; "With all the money that has been invested in the problem of Palestinians, it would have been possible long ago to resettle them and provide them with good lives in Arab countries." About historical facts : http://xrl.us/be5xdg
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15. The arrogance of Segal.
Dr Salam Fayyad and the PALS are correct in their approach,and the more they do to lift their standard of living the moe international support they shall recieve.Dont be so arrogant to underestimate their talents. We also shall benifit from their stability and success. Remember what Anwar Sadat said in his speach here in Israel " It can only be good when its good for every one"At least lets wish that the Pals have it good soon, its a basic human desire.
| Philip , |
Afula, Israel |
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16. Fayyad The Fraud
PA PM Sell 'Em Fayyad at Herzliya Conference Feb. 2010
Regarding Gaza, Fayyad said it was essential that “our country be reunified,” and that lifting the blockade of the Gaza Strip would go along way toward enabling the PA to reassert control there. He said that the PA could move faster toward building government institutions in Gaza, then it has done in the West Bank, because the area is smaller
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This is nothing to laugh about. It's cruel and inhuman to laugh at someone who only knows how to lie.
| yonatan silverman , |
tel aviv israel |
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17. Nour, kindly give us the reference
where Salam Fayad said that he "recognized the state of Israel, offered secure borders" and, what's more, renounced terrorism. I'm not saying you're wrong but it's certainly not in this article. If you are correct, then we must take his pronouncement seriously. Did he make such a statement before the Arab world? Your statement is too important to just leave up in the air. Please respond.
| Robert Haymond , |
Ashdod, Israel |
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18. to #17
Here is the link to the part of the Palestinian PM's speech that you are interested in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTYkiNHYFqo&feature=channel
Min:4:10 - 4:34 and again in 5:11- 5:20 and in 9:15 - 9:45.
Enjoy
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19. it worked for israel why not palestine
God didn't carve out a natual border the British did in 1947 with the partition
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20. To: No. 3
Oh, shut up already.
No one is denying the Palestinians a state. In fact, it already exists. It's called Jordan.
Take it or leave it.
My advice? Take it. You're never getting Israel; for once in their existence, Palestinians need to make the right choice.
Do it or die, chica. The choice is yours.
| Sarah B , |
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21. Yoo Hoo, "William"
How is the weather in Charlotte these days?
| Sarah B , |
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22. THERE WAS/IS no such thing as...
Palastine or a palastinian people.
Agree/Disagree, I could care less about your opnion. Give me a resource where I can learn about this "Nation" and its history.
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23. #2
is an inpostor. i am william and i never aspired to what this impostor writes. please do not steal my identity and twist my words. i think nothing like what you wrote. and please stop equating the palestinians circumstances and conflate it with the holocaust because it is absolutely wrong and disgusting.
and to you NOUR, please keep your stupid opinions to yourself. your rants and raves are for idiots only.
| william , |
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24. NOUR #3
PLEASE DO NOT FOOL YOURSELF. SOMEONE IS SPEAKING ABSURDITIES AND STEALING MY IDENTITY. I HAVE NEVER AGREED WITH YOUR IDEAS, YOUR RANTS AND RAVES. HOW FAST YOU CAN BE FOOLED BY SOMEONE WHO IS RATHER HA MAHMOOD THAN A WILLIAM.
| william , |
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25. #4
stop speaking trash in my name and stop stealing my identity and putting absurd words in my mouth. i have never held your opinions or those of nour. i am israel and i am proud of my country and i could never give a damn about terrorists thugs either from hamas or the plo and fatah. a bunch of tribal miscreants all of them.
| WILLIAM , |
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26. And In This Corner, Islam... Vs...
The World is too busy "defining the clash of Jews and Arabs in terms of "human rights," "democracies," and "right to states," while the "root conflict cause" vanishes to near-invisibility. In Islam, the Koran seeks an Islamic Caliphate; this is the "primary justification" for Islamic terrorism against Israel, and all others. Nowhere in the Torah or the Bible does a "two state solution" Prophesy exist. In a centuries-old "democratic vote," the tally stands at "Two Religions to One..." Islam loses. No Palestine.
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27. The Palestinians already have three nations
The Palestinians already have three nations - Jordan, PA, and Gaza. That they have made of sewer of the latter two (PA, GAZA) is their own fault. That they have not made a sewer of the first (Jordan) is to the credit not of the Palestinians, but of the Hashemites.
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28. I just watched and listened to the speech
by Salam Fayyad at the Herliya Conference. I couldn't have been more impressed. I do not know whether he speaks for all the people who refer to themselves as "Palestinian" but he spoke of the mutual needs for security and appeared to honour the Israeli state, a de facto recognition. It is on UTube and you can find it by opening post #18 and clicking the website. And, incidnetally, thanks to #18 (no name appears) for the easy referral. Can anyone explain to me in what regard Mr. Fayyad is held by the Arab people and and what percent of the population does he represent. I feel, for the first time, a sense of relief, a sense of recognition for the state of Israel and a perspective by a "Palestinian" that Israel's security needs must be met.
| Robert Haymond , |
Ashdod, Israel |
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29. # 18
Sorry, but Mr. Fayyad mentioned nothing about recognizing Israel or renouncing terrorism in any of your references in the clip. His words about "security" are the familiar boiler-plate Palestinian statements that have been made for years.
Other than that, until he makes such statements in Arabic on an Arab network, they mean nothing. Palestinian "leaders" have a long history of saying one thing to the West in English and another, contradictory thing to Arabs in Arabic.
Write that down on the palm of your hand with an indelible marker.
| Michael Davison , |
Ra'anana, Israel |
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30. # 22 check * palestineremembered*
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