I have looked at maps of the past hundreds of years. What place are you refering to???? The land west of the Jordan was only called Palestine for 25 years, thats it, no other time in history. What are you talking about???

You deny history and prevent creating another arab Palestinian state. Just look at some history books and maps. The Arab world is a house of cards build on generations of lies. Do you want to continue to live a lie or live in a state at peace? We Jews are very patient. ITs your choice. Make the right one for your children.

Thank you to tell the truth, Mr. Bechor is Iraqi and he wants to expelle us from our land

As usual Sarah B is confused and is mixing up people and facts. Queen Rania of Jordan (the current Queen) was born 'Rania al Yassin' in Kuwait to *Palestinian* parents. Queen Noor of Jordan (who is now dead) was born 'Lisa Najeeb Halaby' in Washington, D.C., USA. Queen Noor was an American not ‘Lebanese’. Just thought you might want to know as Sarah B is prone to making such simple mistakes and pretending that she knows what she is talking about.

The problem with your logic: The Arab Palestinians never claimed the land after the partition. It was acquired by Jordan and the Arabs didn't object. After Israel liberated the land, Jordan renounced its claim on the territory. Therefore the land was not acquired by war. It was acquired by the ower (Jordan) relinquishing its claim on the land.

Oooh. You're wrong. There's a surprise. Lisa Halaby (Queen Noor) is the dowager queen of Jordan. She is very much alive. Doesn't change the substantive content of my post, but let us give "Matty" her due -- small as it is. Raina is queen consort -- not the queen until Noor dies -- and although she claims Palestinian heritage, she was born and raised in Kuwait, and has never set one manicured trotter in the Palestine Authority. Get your facts straight. In the interests of truth, for the record, there is no "Matty Groves of Fairport." There is a folk song called "Matty Groves" made famous by a British folk-rock band called the Fairport Convention. You decide who's the credible one here. Care to elaborate on the substantive issues of my post? Sorry I do not keep up with the doings of the "Jordanian" "royal family." That you do is -- well -- sad. YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY. Not that I expect one – you’re not man enough.

No, Yafa, read and know your history. The British were given a mandate for Palestine with the proviso of giving the Jews a national homeland, by the League of Nations. They promptly allowed their Hashemite client to settle in Amman and in 1922, with no permission, lopped off Eastern Palestine and made it the Kingdom of Transjordan, effectively removing the possibility of a Palestinian State there. Jordan is EASTERN PALESTINE! In 1948 Transjordan (the Arab Legion under British officers) invaded Western Palestine and held it until 1951 when Transjordan annexed it! So no Palestinian State between 1948 and 1967, not because of Israel, but because the Arab State didn't allow it. Same with Gaza, only Egypt invaded it and kept it under military rule until 1967.

Sarah smacks down Matty with the facts, and Matty disappears. It's not like it hasn't happened before a time or two or ten or a hundred.

Hey Sarah B look! A nameless fan who can’t acknowledge that you made at least 5 fundamental mistakes on this thread. Pity its nameless. Hmm, I wonder how many people here will think that you actually sent post #38?

Not the Egyptians. Nor the Jordanians, who have now stripped West Bank Arabs of their Jordanian citizenship. Is it because their ancestors were Jews?

I read your comment and its enough to make me puke. You have obviously been on too many Zionist propaganda web sites of which there are plenty!

Salma, you are right when you say Western Bank belong to Palestine, not to Jordan, or Israel. But there is one truth that your people and the Israelians must listen. The two states have to recognize one to the other, with secure borders. That means Peace. Out of it, darkness and suffering will continue forever. Luiz Felipe Haddad.

Jordan is Palestine !!!

You tip your Jew and Israel hating hand. Zionism is the national movement of the Jewish people to re-establish their ancient homeland in Israel. Being ignorant of this rather simple fact, you choose to use the word "Zionist" in a pejorative fashion. Don't confuse Arab propaganda web sites with facts and the truth. You may wish to spend a little less time on Al Jazeera and other Arab propaganda machines. That would certainly explain your need to vomit. Drink plenty of water so you don't get dehydrated.

I have never submitted a post to which I have not put my name, and it tends to annoy me when people do that. Even a contrived name taken from an old folk song is better than nothing. That said, I think the posters that matter know exactly what to expect from me -- and exactly what to expect from you. Five fundamental mistakes, you say? You're wrong. Unlike you, I did not kill off the dowager queen of Jordan and name the queen consort, who holds Kuwaiti citizenship, Palestinian. I do thank the anonymous poster at No. 38 for his astute observation.

Their ancestors were nomads from the Hejaz region of Saudi Arabia.

Debra, I am sorry for you that the truth makes you puke. Sounds to me like you will be puking much more.

I am total shocked by this article. No wonder that Israel has become a racist apartheid state with people like Guy Bechor representing it.

It has obviously never occured to you, Debs, that what it is you are getting from the Arabs is propoganda. Read the link from #29. It's the truth that should make you puke.

JORDAN IS PALESTINE: SAME EXACT FLAG JORDAN IS PALESTINE: SAME EXACT FOOD JORDAN IS PALESTINE: SAME EXACT PEOPLE (nearly 4 million of them) JORDAN IS PALESTINE: SAME EXACT DIALECTS JORDAN IS PALESTINE: SAME EXACT DEMOGRAPHICS JORDAN IS PALESTINE: SAME EXACT CUSTOMS JORDAN IS PALESTINE: SAME EXACT DANCES JORDAN IS PALESTINE: SAME EXACT COUNTRY; UNTIL 1922, THE ENGLISH TERRITORY KNOWN AS MODERN DAY JORDAN & ISRAEL WERE EAST PALESTINE (ARAB) AND WEST PALESTINE (JEWISH). BOTH WERE DESERT WASTELANDS. WHEN THE JEWS STARTED INCREASING THEIR NATIVE POPULACE IN SIZE, EMIGRATING FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, STARTING IN THE 1850's & ONWARD, THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM INDUSTRY & FINANCE AND AGRICULTURAL EQUIPMENT, DRAINING SWAMPS IN THE NORTH AND CREATING HUGE SWATHS OF BRAND NEW FARMLAND, CREATING FACTORIES & JOBS; THE ARABS EMIGRATED TO WESTERN PALESTINE IN THE 10's OF THOUSANDS TO GRAB WHAT THEY COULD JOBWISE & BENEFIT FROM THE MODERN NEW COUNTRY THAT JEWISH BRAINS, BRAWN & KNOW HOW WERE THEN PRODUCING. THEY CAME FROM SYRIA, THE LEVANT (LEBANON) EAST PALESTINE AND EGYPT. YASSIR ARAFAT AND HIS FAMILY EMIGRATED TO JEWSIH PALESTINE FROM EGYPT. THEY WERE EGYPTIAN, NOT PALESTINIAN. TENS OF THOUSANDS OF COMMON ARABS (NOT "PALESTINIANS") EMIGRATED INTO JEWISH PALESTINE CREATING MANY TEMPORARY VILLAGES (WHICH LATER THEY ABANDONED - AT THE BEHEST OF THEIR LEADERS IN THE NEIGHBORING ARAB LANDS SO THAT THEY COULD ATTACK THE JEWS EASIER AND "SEND THEM INTO THE SEA" - THE ISRAELI WAR OF INDEPENDENCE, 1948... IN 1939, THE JEWS BUILT THE "JEWISH PALESTINE" PAVILLION @ THE NEW YORK WORLD's FAIR, A BEAUTIFUL MODERN STRUCTURE EXPOSING THE BEST THAT JEWISH PALESTINE COULD OFFER @ THE TIME - FACTORIES AND FRUITS & VEGETABLES. MILLIONS OF POUNDS EXPORTED - OUT OF A FORMER DESERT WASTELAND. ALL OF THE PALESTINIAN LIES HAVE BEEN FORCE FED DOWN THE THROATS OF THE WORLD FOR THE LAST 60 - 70 YEARS. JORDAN IS PALESTINE (& 4 MILLION "PALESTINIANS" LIVE THERE... JORDAN IS PALESTINE. END OF DISCUSSION.

Queen Noor, Lisa Najeeb Halaby is NOT dead.Now at aged 59 ,she is still very much alive.

The air here in this forum was quite clean whilst you took time out recently,Matty. We all make mistakes & for you to attack Sarah B. is uncalled for. I think your mistake for posting that ex Queen Noor is dead is a big whopa. Actually we posters see YOU as a bigoted fool who hates Jews,therefore you are called "our resident anti-semite." You are also behaving like a spoilt child who lost his lollipop.

Israel could get nuked tomorrow, and "wiped off the map", and that would not change the FACT that Judea (duh!) Samaria, and the surrounding areas (know as Israel-proper) have always been sovereign Jewish territory. If Britain occupied Dublin for 2000 years, it would not change the FACT that Dublin is an Irish city. Arabs have been occupying our land for a few centuries, and before them other foreigners occupied it, that does not imply that Arabs now own the land. Its OUR land, and they deserve ZERO national rights in OUR land. Human rights: Yes. National rights: Not in OUR land.

The only problem is that Jordan does not want it. Jordan rightly considers the area as only potential trouble.

The current queen of Jordan is Rania, when Abdallah was crowned King she became a princess, and about a month and half later Abdallah crowned her queen. Queen Noor is no longer queen except in title, since she was simply the wife of the king, and she is not even the current King's mother. If one was to look at the Jordanian official websites, Rania would be listed as the Queen of Jordan. Rania also represents Jordan as the Queen when there are such functions. A queen consort is the highest ranking a queen can be besides Queen Regnant (a queen who is actually herself ruler) Queen Noor's father, Najeeb halaby was CEO of Pan Am in the 60s-70s, it went bankrupt in the 90s, 20 years after he left. He had also headed the Federal Aviation Administration and served as a deputy secretary of defense. Lisa Halaby father was Syrian or part syrian (Halab is a city in Syria called Aleppo in English) . Here is another interesting fact; the Jordanian constitution requires the King of Jordan to have both parents be Muslims, but Abdallah's mother is a British Christian woman.. and Noor is also an American Christian. The King had two other wives who were muslim, and one had sons, but they got sidelined.. Abdallah was crowned king and then Noor's son, who was also younger than the Muslim sons, was appointed crown prince (but after he became king, Abdallah changed that and made his own son crown prince.. actually King Hussein's brother was crown prince until about a week or two before Hussein died, he changed it on his death bed)