hate something sometime someway something kick on the front floor mine? something inside i never ever follow give me some thing that is for real i never ever follow get your boggie on hate something someway each day feeling ripped off again why? this shit inside now everyone will follow just give me no thing just feel and now this shit will follow god paged me he´ll never see the lie he wants to see god told me i´ve already got the life oh i say god pains me he´ll never see the lie he wants to see god told me i´ve already got the life oh i say each day i can feel swallow inside something they took from me don´t feel your deathly ways each day i feel so hollow inside i was beating me you will never see so come dance with me dance with me

Children who lived in Israel for 6 months and then emigrated with their parents, and continue to live abroad should not have a vote, a voice of equal measure with people who actually live in Israel and have to deal with whoever is elected. That's unethical. At the same time, people who are traveling abroad and happen to be in the US for a business trip on election day should be able to vote like any other Israeli whose job does not take them abroad. The correct legislation is therefore somewhere inbetween - allow Israeli voters to vote abroad if they can claim residency in Israel and/or at the time of the election have only been out of the country for a few weeks or months. There's one reason and one reason only to pass the bill as-is and that's to ensure a majority Jewish voting bloc even if worst comes to worst and the majority of Israel's residents are non-Jews, in order to keep Israel a Jewish state. I believe with all my heart Israel needs to remain a Jewish state but I do not believe that this is how it must be guaranteed.

where your expertise is and let go of political issues you are no more of an "expert" on this topic then any other citizen of Israel. All citizens of Israel and their representatives have to decide on this, not you

not to vote,but if I'm a second class citizen,don't charge me sales tax when I"m visiting Israel.:-).

If you don't want to let expatriates vote then dont FORCE them to travel to Israel with an Israeli passport. Be honest...either a person IS or IS NOT an Israeli citizen. You can't have it both ways.

Why terrorists blowing up airplanes pales in comparison to Jews voting from LA or Chi or NYC. Kadima fears and with good reason, hardly anyone wants to give Israel to the terrorists for a fraudulent peace that won't last a day.

is afraid of democracy...and losing even bigger when bill becomes law. US has such a law, as do many other nations. Next step is district representatives at long last !

why not establish a cabinet level "minister of the diaspora"....elected by eligible Jews worldwide (Jews certified to have been bar/bnai mitzvahed). Could all be administered over the internet....including a tax to fund. Great way to establish ties to Israel....and has future potential to make sure that Jews are never outnumbered in their homeland.

Lt. Gen Shahak is not the only one who "gave the best years of his life in defense of Israel." Many of us "yordim" have devoted no lesser years to the same cause. Several of us even have scars to show. I fail to understand the rationale behind the uproar over non-resident Israelis voting for the Knesset. Many of us are heavily involved in pro-Israeli activity, on our own nickel I might add. Many of us also donate to various funds and causes in Israel, not to mention regular visits to Israel. Looking at those that are opposed, they seem to compose specific factions within Israeli politics. Labour party fears this move due to their perception that Israelis living abroad have a propensity to lean to the right. Shas fears that it will dilute their mandates in the Knesset. I would call on Lt. Gen. Shahak to look at the current composition of the Israeli Government. Some of the current ministers have never served a day in the IDF. His partner to the petition, i.e., Shas do not seem to have a glorious past in the IDF either. Is it OK for an immigrant to be a Knesset member or a cabinet member having not served a day in his life, yet be party to crucial decisions made in the Knesset/Government? I find it strange, perhaps even preposterous that these Generals and other leaders seem to visit us frequently in the diaspora, looking for lecture and other opportunities to augment their financial assets. Yet they discount our right to participate in the Israeli democratic process.

vote it is israil or jew country ... good i prefer all the moslemes will vote fore jerusalem ah . they will do it is without paying money evry one will vote fore anything

Underlying the objection of not letting ex-pat Israelis voting is a sinister motivation of punishment. It is matters like these which separates the Israeli from the Jew.

and right of return to Hejaz too

by the will of the people. Isnt that democracy singing? Its the people that matter, not your leftist intimidation of other voices.

If a person is a citizen of a country, but lives outside of that country, they have as as much right to vote as a citizen who resides in that country. That is a principle in modern democracy. American ex-pats can vote, so can the British, and so on. Citizenship is not determined by place of abode or military service. The fact that military leaders are expressing these views shows they are ignorant of democratic principles. There are laws in many democracies that prevent military officers from entering politics until many years after their service ends. Perhaps we need to introduce such a law in Israel to prevent the spread of anti-democratic thought?

than Labor and Kadima are hypocritical. When people wre evicted in Gush Katif. They said you have to follow the Majority like in Democratic countries. Politicians were using the word Democracy every other word. However, now we are discussing a fundamental right to citizens of a Democracy to be able to vote abroad and all of a sudden the word democracy is not spoken. The United States ,England and other democratic countries allow it. Why isn't Labor and Kadima demanding Israel be a Democratic country like other nations in the world on this issue?

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, there are yordim who still are very, very connected to the Land. They visit often, donate, go to rallies supporting Israel abroad, speak Hebrew with their children, send them to Jewish schools, etc etc. On the other hand, there are yordim whose families have totally assimilated into the countries where they are living. Their kids go to public schools, do not speak Hebrew, and have many or mostly non-Jewish friends. The younger generation often intermarries. I really don't know how to determine the criterion for letting people vote. I also know that many yordim have risked their lives in the army here, but the fact is that they are now far away, and we who live here have to deal with the day to day problems (and dangers) here, not to mention that we have much smaller salaries!

Despite boasting how Israel is the regions only democracy etc. In reality its not a very popuar concept. Alot of them who are against giving the public a right to decide the future of the Golan & Jerusalem through a referendum. Even though these places legally are just as much part of israel as Tel Aviv. The coalition system is hardly democracy at its best because who runs the country is based on backroom deals & pay offs. With this bill the fact that some former generals are speaking out against it means nothing because whilst they are against it there are plenty of former generals who are all in favor. It also seems to be the only objectors are either left wing or speciality parties. Kadima & Labour believe that more expats are likely to vote for the right which would cost them seats. Shas know very few if any expats are their people but if more Israelis vote and they don't choose Shas it might cost them seats. When it comes to objectors to this bill Livni is the biggest hypocrite of the lot. During her election campaign she was making a big thing about democracy saying how she would like electoral reform and a constitution. Now the government puts forward a bill thats going to increase representation of all Israelis Livni is going all out to kill the bill. I don't see why this bill should even be seen as controversial considering democracies all over the world have laws allowing expats to vote. I imagine there is quite a large chunk of olim who do still register to vote in the country they came from. If Livni feels so strongly about the idea of expats voting then why not introduce legislation banning olim from taking up their right to vote abroad. The queen of democracy would never dream of stopping anybody giving up their right to vote ... unless they are Israeli. The left are treating Israelis living abroad like they are some kid of security risk who must be stopped The objectors have made it quite clear they don't want the bill to pass What they haven't done is explain on the record why they feel so strongly that Israelis abroad should not be allowed to vote.

they object to expats voting as like many other normal democracies. Its the Left who are afraid well knowing many expats are natural Rightists. Many including myself reside abroad because they are sick of the leftist hegemony over current affairs even with a rightist Gov. in. We have all seen what has happened since the surrender at oslo and the slow deterioration of the country into the abyss. These leftist generals know all to well how the right would be strengthened with expat votes. I believe every jew has a right to vote coz Israel belongs to all Jews. However I am willing to be pragmatic and make that only those who have served in the IDF or Sherut Leumi be allowed to vote thats my criterion.

One of these ex-generals signed a letter of support for J-Street. According to this logic, a loony left-wing non-Israeli "pro-Israel" poser NGO should have more power to influence Israeli decision-making than an Israeli citizen who lives abroad.

If you leave the country and take up citizenship or permanent resident in a another country should you be allowed to vote and influence the future of the country you have left? The answer is "no"! You have opted out by choice and you cannot live in one world an tell another one how to live! However, Israelis traveling or studying abroad should be allowed to vote at an embassy or consulate. It looks to me that Netanyahu is trying to swing the country even further to the right and obliterate all opposition. Of course, this will allow ex-pat Arabs to vote and this could really put the cat among the pigeons Mr. Netanyahu! As for the "Generals", either get involved in politics or butt out!

First of all, what evidence do you have that most expatriats are right wingers? My guess is that they are liberals, for the most part. It's not ideology that drives them out of Israel but economics. Better jobs, better pay, less violence abroad. Don't you think it would be possible for the left to mount an Obama-type campaign to round up every single expatriat leftist and their voting-age children to vote in future elections? My main objection to this idea is that only those who have to live with the consequences of their vote should have the right to vote. Likud now has a leftist agenda and so it's after the leftist vote abroad.

There should be absentee balloting for Israelis who are working or studying abroad on a temporary basis, but not for people who either never lived here or have no intention of living here in the future.

If a person is a citizen of Israel, they should have the right to vote, regardless of where they live, or if they serve in the military or not. There are many Israelis who vote and have never served in the military. Understand, there are many Israelis who support the country financially, and it's not correct to say, that because they live abroad, they should not have the right to vote. If the wealthy elite were more generous with the money distribution, and taxes were less, there would be no Israelis living abroad. In Canada, and other countries like Norway, Netherlands, Denmark and Switzerland, all citizens have a right to vote, even if they live abroad. Not giving this right to Israelis who live abroad only creates division between Israelis. There has to be more love between Jews, otherwise the whole Jewish state idea will be a failure.