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Time to fight the virus
Hagai Segal
Published: 26.02.10, 14:11
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1. self-doubt ?
Michael ,   Haifa   (02.26.10)
I do not need a government website to deal with my doubts about the sanity of this government. When a government sets up such a website, it clearly has doubts about the intelligence of the people.
2. Well Written - Purim Sameach
Ariel ,   São Paulo - Brazil   (02.26.10)
3. Nationalists are right?
peter ,   amsterdam NL   (02.26.10)
Quote: "...A lethal virus of skepticism has been running wild here for years and pulverized our faith in the righteousness of our way..." My impression is that Hagai Segal yearns for times when things were simpler, like let's say in the 1950's. There's nothing wrong with having idea(l)s, like (religious) Zionism, but they don't make you right(eous) in itself. That comes from actions~mitzwot. There are more views on this matter than the nationalist one so a bit of skepticism about the motives of people who engage in it seems healthy to me.
4. More self-righteous drivel
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (02.26.10)
And I suppose Deir Yassin was somehow a 'Jewish' village before its inhabitants were slaughtered. Funny how a so-called 'journalist' applauds government propaganda so long as it rewrites history in favor of Jewish expansion. And then you wonder why the world doesn't accept your version of events. I agree that the 'sites' are meant to provide succor for the right-wing version of history. And it is aimed at Israelis who, despite all evidence to the corntrary, want to beieve in myths rather than reality. The myths are far more comforting. Reality, however, has a nasty way of reasserting itself no matter how much drivel, or 'hasbara', you attempt to spread.
5. Anti semites are often afraid of enlightenment. They'd
Jae ,   Lynn USA   (02.26.10)
realize much of what they view is built on the sand of quarter-truths.
6. #1. Or the lack of education in haifa.
Jae ,   Lynn USA   (02.26.10)
piece now is not a history book. it is a revisionist far left political account of last 43 years of Jews' 4,000 yr history; or 1% of Jewish history... why are you so threatened by facts? says something about you doesnt it?
7. #4 what rubbish
jason   (02.26.10)
1. bringing up a sad day in history to support your argument is cheap and cynical. 2. who is "the world" that you refer to, and how should this influence the belief system of the jewish people? if we listened to the good advice of others, we would have long ago ceased to exist. 3. 'sites' as you skeptically place in quotes and your next point is a repugnant attack on the legitimacy and vibrancy of the jewish people and its history, exactly the kind of new anti-zionism which is really anti-semitism because its premise or goal is ethnic cleaning at worst, dispossession at best. 4. your talk of myths shows a simple and callously ignorant reading of history. israelis are not as dumb as you presume, do you think we are stubborn and strong, send our children to die over this land, because we want to 'believe in myths rather than reality'?? 5. what is real is that the jewish people are slowly awakening from the bad dream called 'oslo' and that despite the most organized and sophisticated global PR attempt to create a palestinian people or nation, jews are not willing to relinquish their rights over their own land, even if they go to extra lengths to figure out how to share it with our arab neighbors.
8. Jewish origins of towns
Smith ,   TA, Israel   (02.26.10)
Well if the town's originally have Jewish names it's not too unrealistic to suggest that the inhabitants are also decendants of Jews. In fact the DNA evidence proves it! It's just that the white Ashknasi decendants of converts (like the author) can't stand the fact that real Jews look like Arabs, you know, Semitic?
9. Self Doubt Virus
Moishe Eleazar ,   Proud Jew   (02.26.10)
Time we all woke up to Pride in who we are. It all comes down to thousands of years, descended from the ones who stood at the foot of Sinai and were bessed with the tablets of the law. Hold your heads very high, AM ISRAEL CHAI!!!!!
10. ON SELF RIGHTEOUS DRIVEL
Moishe Eleazar ,   world jew   (02.26.10)
We get so sick of one sided Israel bashin, look around at the world and you can always pick out injustices. Jews live in the land and we will compromise for real peace, come on you liars among the jew bashers.. you know that there is no real peace partner to talk to. The other side wants the annihalation of the jews. Miami Mike, how many injustices sit in the laps of the American people? Shame on you.
11. Well written--great job--thanks!
Mea   (02.26.10)
12. THe counter site to palestineremembered.com
Mea   (02.26.10)
palestineremembered.com is a main tool for the boiler rooms in forums and online debate about the conflict. I have been arguing with the owner for years. Then site systematically falsifies history about individual towns. I actually sat IN an Arab village in the Misgav WITH an Arab family showing them the site which claims all sort sof history--and we wrote to the website owner TOGETHER contradiciting the facts, and the guy still refused to admit he was lying. Then he told a story about his cousin who visits the place from Lebanon, walking back and forth across the border. hello. I have complained about this site for years, suggesting a counter site be put up. So I am very pleased to see it has happened. Btw, the guy who runs the pal site is an Arab living in the US I turned him into the IRS.
13. Once again Sailor Mike posts
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (02.26.10)
his unqualified junkmail. He is so arrogant he speaks not only for himself but for the "world", as if his perception and the world's perceptions are co-terminous. Mike's arrogance is just plain ignorance. And speaking of ignorance, how many times have I asked him to clarify or explain his posts in the light of evidence which I presented but withnary a response? I even thought there might be some integrity by his way but now, it seems, he just uses Ynet to post his trash as opposed to requesting dialogue, education and learning.
14. righteousness in the Land of our FAITH !!!
George ,   uk   (02.26.10)
Shalom, righteous awakening of The FAITH Of Father Abraham parallels that of Prophet Nehemiah and all that love Israel as a people of the LAND. Once again Goldstone's chariots of infidels will be stacked and drown in the middle of the Red Sea( United Nations). Take Heed . . . . .
15. #8 Smith, thanks for your interesting post
Ben Alofs ,   Bangor, UK   (02.27.10)
You make a good point. Palestine was to a large extent inhabited by sedentary communities of farmers with deep roots in the land. Farmers are not easily uprooted. It is more than likely that the present day Palestinian fellaheen/farmers are descendants from Christians, Jews or pagans before they were converted to Islam by the conquering armies that came from the Arabian peninsula in the 7th century. These Palestinian villagers actually preserved the old place names, that were hebraized by the naming committees of the State of Israel after 1948 in an attempt to disguise the Arab past. You are right that the original Hebrews propably looked much more like Palestinian Arabs than like white ashkenazi converts as Mr Hagai Segal.
16. to 8 ...good and
sara ,   jerusalem   (02.27.10)
my name is sara is it a jewish name ???? even jerusalem would have a new name ..like tora bora it will be my land which i love it more than alkuds .. we love the land under any name .... it is land not passport to give it to any one ..
17.  brainwashings
shawn plilips ,   eilat   (02.27.10)
not all of us have been brainwashed,some of us see through the goverments propaganda,we know the truth
18. Walid Shoebat tells us…
Ron B. ,   Lod   (02.27.10)
Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind, as it is witnessed by Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for and the truth he was fighting against: “Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?” “We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians – they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”. When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”. This declaration by a true “Palestinian” should have some significance for a sincerely neutral observer. Indeed, there is no such a thing like a Palestinian people, or a Palestinian culture, or a Palestinian language, or a Palestinian history. There has never been any Palestinian state, neither any Palestinian archaeological find nor coinage. The present-day “Palestinians” are an Arab people, with Arab culture, Arabic language and Arab history as explained in details at : http://xrl.us/bi5c6
19. Yahweh is the reason for Israel's existence.
Danny Maccabee ,   Vancouver, Canada   (02.27.10)
Patriarchs come and go, but The Almighty is the reason Israel was created in the first place. It is His land, to be populated and stewarded by His people. There is plenty of evidence in the ground that Israel is our ancient homeland. He gave it to us. There were also times when He took us out of it, something to keep in mind. History has proven that we are stubborn and forget all too soon why we are here. Yahweh has ways of reminding us.
20. THE SKIE IS STILL BRIGHT & BLUE
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (02.27.10)
what you mean Mr. Karagözoğlu ? NOTHING ! I JUST WANTED TO TALK POZITIVE ! DOES IT BOTHER YOU :)
21. Ben Alofs - Reply
Gábor Fränkl ,   Budapest, Hungary   (02.27.10)
You know "Ben Alofs" one should admit defeat if they are unable to muster a coherent rational and reasonable argument and lacking this oyou resort to outright disgusting racist insinuations. Thanks for admitting that outside the boundaries of decent and sharp argumentation you have NOTHING. (It's very-very telling that you were unable to beat me on the other Israeli website where I uncovered the distortions and lies you spread on a pre-Cast Lead Israeli operation!) And 1 more good advice: if you are feeling inferior because England took over Wales virtually wiping off its past "glory" wenting your frustration on the Jews as you do for your people's failure is your problem, neither the Palestinians' northe Jews'.)
22. Mikesailor
Gábor Fränkl   (02.27.10)
You are a petty, cheap, dark-hearted and extremely embittered individual. You troll on Jewish sites looking for cheap provocation and wenting your frustration and anger like your partner-in-hatred Alofs. I pity you - not even Florida sun can help you...
23. Great Article. Well written and very timely.
Simple Patriot ,   Israel   (02.27.10)
24. #4 Mikesailor: Miami once an Indian village
Yacov ,   Chicago   (02.27.10)
Should we talk about the Native American Indians who once called Miami home? Or would you rather not discuss the ugly facts of American history and all the EuroChristians who are now squatting on stolen Native American Indian homeland?
25. Arab/Islamic homelands
Yacov ,   Chicago   (02.27.10)
Islam spread from the Arab peninsula through armed conquest. The Arabs, including Palestinian Arabs, can now claim 22 countries as their homelands, comprising a land mass the size of the continental United States. What is so wrong with the few remaining world's Jews having their native HOMELAND in Israel, the comparative size of Delaware? Why should Israel's Jews be made to feel guilty over claiming their own native homeland and historical cultural sites?
26. Hasbara Ambassador Fraud
YONATAN SILVERMAN ,   tel aviv israel   (02.27.10)
Sadly for the enlighened Israeli democracy, Yuli Edelstein is taking the country to the cleaners. His Hasbara Ambassador initiative is an empty vessel for one good reason. The average Israeli who travels abroad cannot dream of being an Ambasador of anything much less Hasbara and improving Israel's image. The average Israeli who travels abroad does not speak fluent English. There is no question about this. Edelstein is a charlatan and a thief.
27. Land swap
Humanist   (02.28.10)
its a land swap thats required here plus demilitirization of the middle east starting with iran and its supporters and the arab peoples of israel syria also. Then the jews who must control the security for they are few in number can release security clampdowns.
28. Self Doubt
Hal ,   Usa   (02.28.10)
It is unfortunately too common for many Jews to have a weak grasp of their history. This tends to be a problem on college campuses in the US where Muslim students spout lies and half truths that aren't properly responded to. An excellent source for modern Middle Eastern history that encompaces the sad truth of how Jews were in fact used and abused by one and all govts to gain resources and play the "Great Game" of colonialism is in a book by John Loftus and Mark Aarons titled, "The Secret War Against the Jews". It can be purchased through Amazon and is fairly at about $25.00 US. This book is heavily researched and footnoted. Fast and intrigueing it spans the 19th and 20th century. I was blown away with the revelations that took me by surprise. Check it out! You won't be disappointed!
29. Great point!
Nadav ,   tlv israel   (02.28.10)
The author is right in that it is about time that the Jews reclaimed their ancestral heritage in THEIR homeland! This fake identity, Palestinian, is nothing but a Nasserite invention from the 1960s. The Oslo era is definatively over. Israel should make it a point NEVER to use the Term Palestinian for Arabs in Samaria & Judea, but rather Jordanians. The only 2 state solution should be - Israel and Jordan. Jordan, itself a European invention, should divide he territories west of the Jordan river with Israel and let's all call it a day.
30. Drivel by any other name is still drivel...
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (02.28.10)
And liars and racists by any other name are still..... The Tequesta Indians once lived where I live now. The Spanish explorers wiped them ouy basically by disease the white men brought with them. That was about six hundred years ago. Now, if the Tequesta came back to the area, armed and supported by Western Powers, and with a 'religious book'' claimg they were 'chosen' to inhabit the land, how would I react? Probably like the Palestinians. That is reality. Attempting to 'reclaim' homes and property when your only 'deed' is found in your religion. Now the question is ..What are you going to do? A thief always treats his victim with contempt if not outright hatred. He will always lie to himself and others that the victim somehow deserved his fate: by being gulllible, weak, backward, uncivilized etc. In reality these excuses are just that..excuses devoid of truth. They are lies and myths rationalizing evil acts. And, unfortunately, they seem to be the backbone of modern Israeli history. There is an inability for Israelis to recognize the immorality of their actions. When such immorality is pointed out, they respond with an instinctual reflexivenss beginning with a personal attack upon the messenger. Ignore the facts, attack the messenger seems to be primary response. When that doesn't work, then argue that since others committed the same acts, wither historically or at present, use those activities to excuse your own behavior. Compare yourselves to Iran, or North Korea or Sudan and then praise that you aren't 'quits as bad' as if that excuse absolves your actions. You are really pathetic.
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