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Dutch anti-Islam politician creates stir in UK    Associated Press
31. The Australian prime minister
has said that muslims MUST adapt themselve to his country , not his country to them . That they are not allowed to try to impose their lifestyle on Aussies , that Australia is a democratic country , speak English , and so . That if they don't agree , they can leave , return to their countries . The same was also said by a Flemish lawmaker . It's time Western countries are beginning to awake .
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.07.10)
32. Geert Wilders- tells it how it is
This man is brilliant. Time the UK and Euro population rose up in support of him and the truth he says
DT ,   TA Israel   (03.07.10)
33. Dutch 'municipality elections
Dutch 'labour party (where most muslims vote for), lost big time, but many of those who 'made it ' where muslims ( by preferense vote/no political experience), and the 'real Dutch politicians WITH experience where thrown out and became the minority in their own party. Some of them already made comments about it and are hopefully waking up. Today it's Municipality, tomorrow it's the country, than EU and the World. Hopefully sensible people will see the light and vote for Wilders who is nothing more than a 'pragmatic, outspoken politician' who POINTS to the dangers, before it's to late (if it isn't already).
tiki ,   belgium   (03.07.10)
34. 29 , Critic is acceted ,
But only criticising Jews in the way YOU , and your alikes , do is antisemitism . Criticising Jews for a Madoff is antisemitism , criticising HIM not . A difference blind bipedes can't see of course
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.07.10)
35. #18 big difference between jews and muslims in europe
jews who came to europe by and large recognized that they were guests in a foreign land, and it was their responsibility to follow local laws and customs, or at the least stay insulated amongst their own. if i'm not mistaken it was not unusual to have prayers specially designated for the host king or country, etc. muslims by and large have no respect for host culture, and bring a superiority complex that is supported by demographics. that said, both cultures are foreign to traditional european culture and the blend has historically shown itself to be toxic. the debate of the role of minority communities anywhere is valid and not racist.
jason ,   israel   (03.07.10)
36. @ 29 Nonsense!
Jews and Israel handle criticism just fine, you idiot. In fact, Jews and Israelis don't stop criticising themselves, their government and eachother! And the truth is that it's most he so-called Pro-Palestinian screamers ARE anti-semitic under a very thin veneer of Anti-Israel "criticism". And their foul-mouthed rantings aren't stopped by anyone! It's Muslims, Arabs, including the so-called Palestinians, who turn violent at the drop of a hat. There is no self-criticism, free speach or any kind of freedom in Islam which means "submission", not "peace"!
AJ - Raalte   (03.07.10)
37. GOOOOOOOOOO, Geert!!!
AJ - Raalte   (03.07.10)
38. If it's Quran, then why isn't it Talmud also?
Seems the Quran is open for all to interpret, is that equal justice, when the Talmud is not open for interpretation? Me thinks me smells an injustice going on here!
Edithann ,   USA   (03.07.10)
39. The French PM too said it
The muslims MUST adapt themselve to France , not France to them . And other such things , not as anti muslim as Mr Wilders , but in the same direction
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.07.10)
40. Mark in the Netherlands
Jews who came to Europe brought wealth and science with them . What would have been Europe WITHOUT us ? Where are your Einsteins , Landsteiners , Prousts , Rotschilds and other thousands of them ? Jews did'nt try to impose their lifestyle on others . We differ ? in what ? only in religion . We share the same democratic values .
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.07.10)
41. #40 I'm sure you share the same democratic values...LOL
Such as censorship in these very talkbacks(I'm sure you learned these from the Europeans). Or grabbing peoples land by force and coming up with some sort of historical mish mash to have it all for yourself. YEAH,INDEED THESE ARE EUROPEAN!!!!! As for science and technology,Europe has contributed a lot more than the jewish world can ever imagine. You just want to make use of the hostility between 2 sides in your own favor. If you were wise,you would recall that it was acts like these that led to the extermination of 6 million of your own people and would actually criticize the people behind it(although as I said earlier I do agree with his immigration policies). Tends to show that you learned nothing from your own history and wish the same misery for your own enemies.
Mark ,   Netherlands   (03.07.10)
42. to #29 :) you said accuse not critisis
big differense, accusation isn't critisism, so you see you just proven that their claim is right, If I accuse you in Murder, your normal reaction would be: 1. denail 2. clain that you r a liar or bigot. none on earth or in the right mind would claim you right. cause that is normal. unless you ask for abnormal reacction which is confetion for something they never did. :)
ghostq   (03.07.10)
43. to #30 the Muslims nations send jews to Europ
excpelle them so what is your point, the latest was lybia in the 60's.
ghostq   (03.07.10)
44. Mark-The more U write the more ignorance U show
Alan ,   SA   (03.07.10)
45. Mark ,
Europe contributed more than the Jews ? We , a people counting now for less than 0,02 % of world population , have been awearded around 20 % of all the Nobel prizes . And we were only less than half the keeskoppen of today . How much have you contributed , keesie ? Oh yes , you have a Huntelaar , van der Vaart , Van de Sar . And of course your famous "walletjes" in Adam . Censorship at those talkbacks ? mine are censored often too , and your shit published . Grabbling land by force ? do you remember YOUR history ? we only defended ourselves when attacked by our neighboors , we did'nt go to conquer faraway countries . Do you know how New York was named ? New Amsterdam ! And regarding Wilders , we can agree with him , but not forget that Jews in Europe today are lucky that you hate muslims much more than Jews .
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.07.10)
46. #29 I notice it hasn't shut yours
Yoni ,   Sydney   (03.07.10)
47. @ 41
As if Y-Net is the only online paper that moderates the responses. Lots of Dutch papers and blogs do exactly the same, a.o. AD, VK, GS, not to mention the fact that "Meulenbelten" has become a popular verb which means "not allowing ANY critical posts" on your "open discussion"! Y-net, OTOH, allows the most vile and outright antisemitic posts to get on board here. As for your boast about Europe's contribution to science and technology: Europe is a continent with hundreds of millions of inhabitants while the Jews are just one tiny people of some 13 million. There is no comparison. Acts like what led to the Holocaust, Mark? You mean - I presume : Nazi-incitement that looked and sounded a lot like Muslim-incitement nowadays which has the exact same goal: the destruction of the Jewish people and their tiny nation state Israel. In fact, it is you, Mark, who apparently has no clue about Dutch and European history, or - if you do - has learnt absolutely NOTHING!!!
AJ - Raalte   (03.07.10)
48. This is comedy
Jews cheering for a central European far-right populist. Change the word 'Europe' to 'Germany', change the word 'Muslim' to "Jew', read your talkbacks again and feel the shame... This whole conflict has made your heads blind and hearts cold. Very sad.
Jens ,   Germany   (03.07.10)
49. The problem with Islam
Freedom of expression, freedom to form political parties, freedom to epress your views in demonstrations, freedom of press, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, workers' rights, protection of the environment, tolerance for gay and lesbians. etc. etc. Islam is standing against all this. I have been to antifascist demonstrations already 30 years ago, I still fight against antisemitism and xenophobia for the concept of multiculturalism and respect for all other people and nations. We shall not allow Islam to destroy all the progressive values we have achieved over the last say 150 years. We should judge Islam by how Islam is presentig itself in Islamic countries. And that doesn't look to promising, actually. Therefore it is good to have politicians like Wilders and we should make sure that the issue of fighting Islam is not hijacked by the extreme right but becomes a broad social movement.
Carsten Schmidt ,   Germany   (03.07.10)
50. This guy is a lunatic
first of all as an Iraqi and moselm even if its only mentioned on my birth certificate, I find his comments offensive and rude, I don't see his points in any other way than him being ignorant and a bigot. His opinions will trigger more violence, instead of attacking and closing schools he should act in a civilized manner and promote understanding and tolerance , instead of banning the Koran and Moslem schools he can make sure that the staff that teach in such institutions preach peace and blending into society, once you isolate people there consequences of such actions can be catastrophic. The Koran is not evil or satanic etc, its Moslem clerics that need to be targeted and they should stop preaching hate and isolation. most people have a preconceived notion that Islam oppresses women etc, but then again which religion preaches equality, religion is nothing but man made doctrines and its instigators I am sure had no clue that these doctrines would become a world wide phenomena. for example even in Islam it is a religion that upgrades itself and things that were accepted 1,000 years ago are no longer valid today. Women in Islam were quite liberal, Mohammed's wife was a business woman and wealthy and she was independent, Mohammed married her to benefit from her wealth and she made a business man out of him. The homosexuality clause is in all religion it bans it because it regards it as a threat to the marital institution, the religion itself does not preach hate nor violence, people do and especially Shiite clerics because sunnis dont follow clergy and dont have mediators between them and God etc , but Shiites do, hence Iran's Mahmood Nejad is acting based on Shiite ideology and doctrines. The four wives clause, was a temporary clause and it tells a story of battle and whilst men went to war and women served as back up and while more men died in battle, mind you women served in the army as well, then men were allowed to marry more women to save them from resorting to prostitution and serve as providers and adopt the women's children as their own, and sex was not the target here, hence giving a man an option to have 4 wives for pleasure this is absolutely false, but what do you have today , you have ignorant people taking advantage of a situation and marketing it in a way that suits their ill needs and desires. It also mentions that when you are permitted to have 4 wives it sets strict rules, during war, equal treatment and if you cant abide by these rules then you are not supposed to marry 4 wives and some arab states are imposing tough rules and banning the 4 wives clause all together like Tunisia, Morocco etc. This man is ignorant and he is no different than Hitler or Haider, and as fpr his anti islam film, as a moslem I would watch it and I would and not mind the criticism at all and if there is a false message I think we should strive to correct that by means of public relations and through civilized manners, not by attacking or resorting to violence at all. Its good to hear what others have to say about us and I think the Muslim communities issues in Europe is poverty, and lack of education and the fact that they hide and not integrate themselves with society is another flaw which leads to more hate and isolation, I understand your negative attitude but I hope it changes and please dont shove all people in one category, I am a moslem as well but I don't view myself as a barbarian or a savage.
Nimrod ,   Baghdad, Iraq   (03.07.10)
51. to #50 this got nothing to do with the Muslim nations
more of Muslim immigrants problem who make troubles by disrepecting lockal customes, in Italy a Muslim attack parliment member, she needed medical attantion, In Nederlands, Van goch's newfew's grand son was murdered by Muslim, they lack of respect and imposing of Muslim law in other countries that is what the cause, in France and Sweden it's because of the Muslim riots two years ago. and that is without sucide killing.
ghostq   (03.07.10)
52. Hey Carsten from Germany (#49)
You're talking about 'freedom of religion' and 'the issue of fighting Islam' in one paragraph. Not bad! lol
Jens ,   Germany   (03.07.10)
53. Respect
they never want to integrate into out society. All they want to do is be treated differently. If i ever go to to a arab country i have to respect there culture Why cant they respect ours when they come here to live. One Point was in a hospital recently here a statue of Jesus had to be taken down from outside a hospital because it offended the muslim staff inside??????????....It was there for 85 years........
shane ,   dublin, ireland   (03.07.10)
54. This guy is a realist, #50
Muslims have no one to blame but themselves for the rise in popularity of figures like Wilders. The Muslim community is failing to adapt to the culture, principles, and values of Europeans, and as immigrants allowed to settle there, the burden of responsibility is upon Muslims to do so. Europeans have indulged Muslim migrants, and allowed them a great deal of latitude over the decades, but the pressure for real conformity & integration into wider European society will grow with each year. The "grace period" is clearly drawing to an end across Europe.
Cameron ,   USA   (03.07.10)
55. to #53 exactly, they r trying to change
the ancient tradition and laws of europ for their gain.
ghostq   (03.07.10)
56. Shane #53: Why they can't respect your culture....
The Qur'an and the example of the prophet. You would do yourself and your people a great service to study both of these.
Steve   (03.07.10)
57. Jens . You can support freedom of religion
and fight Islam ." We can allow everyone to follow his faith , but NOT to impose his religion on others . We can accept non European people in our midst , but they have to adapt themselve to our lifestyle , not we to adapt ourselve to their lifestyle ". This was said by the Australian and French prime ministers . Regarding changing the words Europe and muslims to Germany and Jews . Germans NEVER feared Jews , we are NOT violent . We NEVER tried to impose our way of thinking to Germany . Jews contributed very much to Germany in EVERY field . So there are BIG differences .
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.07.10)
58. @ 48 Go back to school
Since when is the Netherlands in "central Europe"? Geography not your strong point? Not history either. That's for sure. I wonder what is! And by the by, Geert Wilders is NOT a "far-right populist" or he wouldn't stand squarely behind Israel.
AJ - Raalte   (03.07.10)
59. Everything we needed to know about Islam
Everything we needed to know about Islam we learned on 9-11
SammHill ,   Colorado USA   (03.07.10)
60. Charles
I would like to quote Henryk Mandelbaum - a holocaust survivor: "Children, do me one favor: Don't let anyone in the world tell you, who you have to love and who you have to hate." That's what I'm trying to do. Jens
Jens ,   Germany   (03.07.10)
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