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Bibi’s rush to oblivion
Eldad Yaniv
Published: 10.03.10, 11:43
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1. More defeatist nonsense from the Left !
Yisrael ,   Jerusalem, ISRAEL   (03.10.10)
There is nothing to fear from a single state ! Repeat, there is nothing to fear from a single state ! It would be easy to define the parameters of that state such that Israel would remain Jewish and democratic. BUT, the Arabs, as usual would never agree, as they fundamentally don't agree that Jews should be here at all ! There is no demographic threat, just a lack of vision and courage ! But the Left is tired of being courageous, tired of winning, and they lost their vision long ago !
2. Wow - Eldad, You Really Missed Something!
Hesh ,   Israel   (03.10.10)
Your conclusion makes no sense - firstly as between the Jordan and Med there is a clear Jewish Majority, not to mention Jewish birthrates steadily increasing and Arab ones decreasing, and Palestinian emigration rates rising every day. Secondly, even if there were more Arabs here, what does it matter, the Palestinians are not citizens, so 2 states, 1 state, no state, they have no vote. Anyway, even with your supposed solution of drawing the line in-between, that still leaves an Israel that is only 70-75% Jewish with decisions of National security 25% voted on by officials elected by Arabs, not Jews. So where is the supposed Jewish state you just saved?
3. Some one help Eldad Yaniv
Yossi ,   Rehovot, Israel   (03.10.10)
He desperately needs a twelve step program to help him get rid of his drug addiction. It would explain his ability to write such nonesense. I am surprised Ynet prints this dribble.
4. GOOD PLAN
Salma ,   Palestine   (03.10.10)
This plan contributes to shortening the life of "Israel" Maximum to live for forty years, not more.....then anew birth of Palestine OUR LOVE FOREVER
5. Mission of generation=zion.Mission of people=Eretz Yisrael
Sam ,   Canada   (03.10.10)
It's the Arabs themselves who will help Israel settle the Land of Israel. The Arabs reject any Jewish state. It's only some Jews clinging to a dream that the Arabs will accept their country, not the Arabs themselves. There may be some truces but Arab insistence on having it all means Jews will settle the territory.
6. Yaniv detached from reality
Menachem ,   Israel   (03.10.10)
No Israeli government, left or right will ever agree to incorporate the Arab populated areas of Judea/Samaria into Israel proper. There is therefore no demographic "threat", especially now when Jewish and Arab birth rates in Israel proper are converging and aliyah will continue for many years. The green line is neither "sacred" nor secure and the key UN resolution 242 gives Israel the flexibility to make sure that Israel's future eastern border will be more secure. Given the fact that most Jews in Samaria/Judea live only 3 % of the territory adjacent to the green line, small border adjustments will secure Israel as a Jewish and democratic state without entirely going back to the pre-1967 cease fire lines that Abba Eban called "The Auschwitz border"
7. more ignorance from a leftist-looney
Ben   (03.10.10)
Ynet is home to many of these sub-average IQ lefty loonies - they have failed to understand the situation - they do not learn anything from events around them - the typical characteristic of a narcissistic, or borderline, personality.
8. The Left still believe this is all about borders.
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (03.10.10)
The left have a remarkable ability to ignore facts and history that conflict with their vision. Trying to shake that faith is like arguing with a cultist. If this was about borders, why did the Palestinian Arabs not push for their state when Gaza and the West Bank were held by Egypt and Jordan respectively? Why did the PLO (formed in 1964) target only the Israel Yaniv assumes is not their objective? Why, after they were handed Gaza on a plate, were Sderot and Ashdod still deemed "occupied"? Yaniv's peace partner Abbas and the western-trained Fayyad only recently made clear they believe the *entirety* of Jerusalem is their patrimony, that the Jews have no legitimacy anywhere between the River and the Sea. Years ago, when I was studying international politics, we probed the region's "half a loaf" question: Will the Arabs ever be satisfied with "half a loaf", or will the conflict continue until they have it all - all of Israel, that is? Israel's majority have, through bitter experience, come to understand that Yaniv's "half a loaf" vision is the real fairy tale.
9. Jerusalem
Adriano ,   Earth   (03.10.10)
Jerusalem belongs to the Jews. It was never been the capital of any kingdom, country except Israël, in the past and nowadays. Jerusalem must not be divided, this must be clear once for all for all the world. Any israeli citizen, Jew or Arab, should be free to live where he wants in this city. I am not at all religious, I am agnostic, and yet I think all the jewish holy sites must be on israeli control. If you know the History, you guess why.
10. We're still a majority west of the river AND the minority d
Adam ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (03.10.10)
ecide in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan FYI
11. No wonder the Israeli left is disappearing.
Chaim ,   Israel   (03.10.10)
It would be difficult to find a single word of truth in this ridiculous article. First of all, as almost everyone now knows, Jews are becoming an increasing majority in Israel, including Judea and Samaria. Credible Israeli and American studies prove this. Yet Yaniv clings to fraudulent, politically motivated PA statistics to sound the false demographic alarm. Secondly, a glance at map proves that such a retreat would render Israel indefensible and ultimately uninhabitable. No wonder the Israeli left is disappearing. Not only has it been dead wrong about every substantial issue. It has nothing rational to offer.
12. bibi's rush to oblivion
bear ,   zefat, israel   (03.10.10)
Boy! What a schmuck this writer is!
13. ignorance
tanya ,   tel aviv, israel   (03.10.10)
I wonder on which basis these people call themselves "enlightened"
14. The Left
Jeff ,   Dallas, US   (03.10.10)
This must have been written by one of the idiots that thinks that Obama is their Messiah. Or an Arab in Jewish clothes.
15. Stop attacking the left - maybe you'll learn something!
Alon ,   Israel   (03.10.10)
All you right wingers - what future does greater Israel have with 4 million palestinians on their hands? ever once stopped and thought about that? The world is changing, with America weakening in the near future. China and Brazil will grow as the new world powers. and guess what? they dont give a damn about Israel. We have to start looking long term and stop this madness of attacking anything that (most of you in your heart know) is inevitable and makes sense.
16. My 6 yr old has more brains pragmatism than yaniv
Norman   (03.10.10)
I remember when then Rabin and the whole left laughed that Kasams will be rocketed towards Israel. Now it has become a fact so the clueless Yaniv tells us lets give up our territory and we will be smacked with missiles. Yaniv, I would rather have a no PM as you phrase it with quiet then a PM and constant fire.
17.  stupid opinion
George Morgenstern ,   Rochester, NY   (03.10.10)
Diplomacy and negotiation is a very scientific art form. Bibi and the Israeli government know how to play this chess game well. It is very telling that newspapers in Israel print garbage like the Yaniv essay, a rocket scientists he ain't.
18. After the next election the left will cease
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (03.10.10)
The extreme left is already in oblivion. The next election should bury them.
19. #13
(03.10.10)
the answer to your question: drugs
20. Eldad ,and i will show up
Palestinian ,   Jerusalem   (03.10.10)
to your daughter's wedding if invited in the one state of ours ..Isratine .... but if you are going to treat me as a second class ,in an aparthied nation .. ,don't invite me please . i agree with you that we can truly say that the 2 states thing was a 20 years labor that ended with a dead newborn ... your american PM ,B.Nataniahou screwed up ,indeed .. the PM's car was empty ..no one is running the country .. .. interior minister acts like a PM ... 27 israelies caught with their underware down with europian passports ..DNA,Pictures ..you name it ..PM still smiling and claiming the upper hand .. yap ,he is good ,he speaks without an accent . the very religious interior minister who wear a Kappa to hide his bold spot .. needs to be fired on the spot for humiliating both (the PM and the US vice ) ..it will happen in isratine ....just like trump says .....you are fired . No sir ..no nothing ....you are fired . all i can say ...great article.. finally someone admitting that hertzel plan is a failure ..he was smoking the wrong Tabacco .. we have always lived together ..and will continue to do so ..one state for both ..just like pre-1948 . Israelis will never accept that and that is part of their history ..they are still lost in Sinai .
21. #16,i am worry about your 6yo
Medical consult ,   US   (03.10.10)
look in her left ear ,may be she has no Brain .. the author is very realistic ..this is not the American Indians ...you are surrouded by Layers and layers of enemies and hate ..it gets worse as you shift away from the center .... the palestinians hate you ...but the indonisians hate you more . the writer is giving you a possible way out from MR genious (hertzel ) who really did you in . the sooner you admit hertzel failure the better . otherwise ,world-wide antisemitism will drive you eventually to one spot ,and you will never be accepted anywhere else .. do you want to live like that . is that how your daughter think ??
22. yaniv and barak
marcel   (03.10.10)
it shows what a moron barak was to have an appeaser utopian lawyer as his advisor. Like israel needs more olmert, livnisr, ramons and bar-ons, the circus of cowards and now olmert will be indicted a 4th time for granting jobs and favors while miinister of industry. And livni didn't know he was a crook??!! Yaniv is whistling past the graveyard. Israel will cut a deal when it is a good deal not when clinton, yaniv or obama say they should do it. yaniv, beilin, olmert its all the same. rewrite the torah. With scumbags like these, it is clear the jews are not the chosen people.
23. hard to think of one
tz   (03.10.10)
Yaniv, I won't even waste my time reading an article with a title like that...I feel sorry for you and am glad people react to what you have to say the way they did...
24. A lot of space-wasting trash! Go write for the tabloids!
zionist ,   US   (03.11.10)
25. #15 Alon. The left is wrong on all substantial issues.
Chaim ,   Israel   (03.11.10)
Alon, nobody needs to attack the left. It is disappearing because it is wrong on all the substantial issues from Oslo, freeing terrorists, fleeing South Lebanon, fleeing Gaza and everything else. Dead wrong. Incontrovertibly wrong. Your talkback is also factually wrong. There is no "greater Israel". Just our tiny Homeland. Nor are there 4 million Arabs in our land. Israeli and American studies prove there are only about 1.5 million Arabs in Judea and Samaria. Jews are a growing majority in our land. The positions of the left are extremely destructive and make no sense whatsoever.
26. #25,can you do some math
pal observer ,   jerusalem ,palestine   (03.11.10)
according to your senses ...i mean the Israeli one 1.5 pals in Gaza 2.3 in the WB 1.5 in Palestine proper (temporarily called Israel ) so 1.5 +1.5+2.3= 5.3 mils ..this is your stats . it is even more than 4 mils .. it really doesn't matter ....here is why ... #s don't matter ,bravery and fearlessness does matter and you are no match at all .not even 100/1 ratio . we are not talking about decency and fairness and the adherence to god's words ..you are no match ..we will prevail.
27. You seem to be a reincarnation of Adolph Eichman
Norman   (03.11.10)
We don't rely on human Evil and anti semites and even normal people. Our strength comes from the creator of the world.
28. #26 Israel always has prevailed and always will.
Chaim ,   Israel   (03.11.10)
#26 Don't you realize you're parrotting the same basic nonsense your leaders were telling their followers back in 1948? Look where it got you! This tiny land is ours now and forever. Israel always has prevailed and always will. Forget Gaza. It is not in the equation now. Arabs are permanently fleeing Judea and Samaria by the tens of thousands each year. Within a short period, our heartland will be home to more than 1,000,000 Jews. You can keep deluding yourself and suffer the consequences or wake up to reality.
29. #21 send search team for your brain
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (03.11.10)
Do you really think that giving the fascists more will make them hate us less? Are you really that stupid. As for Indonesians hating us more than the local Arabs - so what? They do not send rockets into our hospitals, nor suicide bombers into our schools like the locals do.How much more hatred can there be than that? Appeasing fascists doesn't work - killing them does. That is a historic fact.
30. #27 Post was meant for #16 Medical Consult
Norman   (03.11.10)
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