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2 troops charged with endangering Palestinian boy
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 11.03.10, 19:59
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1. Israel's gov't expects IDF soldiers to be BLOWN UP
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (03.11.10)
rather than offend Islam. Under these shocking circumstances, it is IMPOSSIBLE for IDF soldiers to serve.
2. talk about using children as human shield
Joy ,   NY   (03.11.10)
where is the so called bravest army in the world? I forgot; brave against children.
3. you get soldiers who overstep the mark in every army
zionist forever   (03.11.10)
It should not be tolerated but it happens and don't see why 2 soldiers breaking the rules should be major news. Its a military court matter not exactly something the public need to be informed about.
4. Good! No need for dishonest soldiers
William ,   Israel   (03.11.10)
Granted, the likes of Matty, BBS and Nour will extrapolate this incident to mean everyone in the IDF does it, but to this day - only a handful of these types of incidents occurred. Compared to their love children across the border who use human shields on a daily basis - hence, the need to arrest a British journalist who was going to make such proof public.
5. The boy is unharmed, what is the fuss about?
Ben Alofs ,   Bangor, UK   (03.11.10)
More whining Arab and Leftist traitors are grasping at straws.
6. Is this a joke or what?
Talula ,   Israel   (03.11.10)
If soldiers allegedly looted credit cards - then there must be some sort of inquiry - but telling a 9 year old to open a bag to check for bombs? Who the hell are we kidding here? They use 9 year olds to do just that, how did those soldiers know this kid wasn't fresh out of suicide bomber summer camp? It's disgusting, and considering every Israeli soldier can shoot to kill if his life is in danger, this case should never have gone this far, just be sling it out of court and stop behaving like a bunch of assholes.
7. YNET you guys are "Pravda"
Ariel ,   Toronto Canada   (03.11.10)
I mean - Pravda of summer 1917 Guys, you are "Gays hamishi shel hamedina"
8. How stupid. You put a grenade on the bag
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (03.11.10)
and run for cover. Fire in the hole is shouted as you run for cover. Change your training.You have eight seconds with a grenade. Plenty of time. They did this to covered holes in Vietnam all the time. The North Vietnamese would put a leather cover over their pungi stick holes for troops to step on. They would also cut the fuse in a grenade to one second....and hook the leather skin to the the grenade. If you pulled open the skin......boom! That is why grenades were used to blow the pits open. Common sense dictates the use of explosives to counter explosives. These troops should not be sent to prison for bad training though.
9. Terrorists responsible
alan ,   texas   (03.11.10)
Arab terrorists made the boy availabe to the IDF by keeping him in a war zone. A decent mother would have moved the boy somewhere else.
10. #3-6 soldiers' incompetence was not about that
observer   (03.11.10)
Soldiers had all the time, but they didn't implanted their own explosive device in the boy's bags. Oh forget! those were not the boys bag but were somebody's else. They did not have time to call the Explosive Ordnance Disposal team to dismantle the explosives and they thought the boy was efficient to do the job.
11. Tell the childen of the world
François ,   Montréal   (03.11.10)
In spain and everywhere.
12.  Indictment ?!
Jennie ,   NYC   (03.11.10)
This whole schem is a desparate pathetic new attempt of palis to irritate IDF every way they can, because they know, that the world is not as symphatetic and supportive of them as it was. IDF has the full right an duty to raid the territory and check every bag in the land of Jihad , which is the home base of all the terror, all the manufacturing of explossives and training of the shahids including lettle children- to innihilate Israel... IDF needs to stop responding to this conspiracy ...Hanan Greenberg should have include the historical facts, that created the situation of self defence, going back all the 66 years, since Israel established self-defense raids on palis.
13. This Just Makes Me Madder than Hell
Dav Lev ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (03.11.10)
This is obviously a respone to the EUs condemnatinn as well as Goldstone. I mean, considering everything that has gone in over 8 years in Iraq and Afghanistan..and less in Pakistan by US and Coalition troops...how come no Goldstone inquiry or EU madness? Would Abbas/Hamas/Hezbollah go by the Geneve Convention rules of warfare? When they fire 12,000 rockets into Israel..trying to hit civilians..and little is done..doesn't that send a message? (Israel's problem repeats itself, trying to make nice nice with US, etc.). Okay so Israel is investigating. what is Hamas doing similarly.? The ans. nothing.
14. These Arab Children Cannot Lose
Dav Lev ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (03.11.10)
To Allan: in our USA, some groups give an ass whupping when their youngsters are caught by the police for crimes ( stealing, etc.). Hamas/Hez gives them the same if they don't kill Jews. If they are killed, 72 virgins await..If they are captured, they go free per some "deal" like for kuntar or perhaps Shalit.They cannot lose guys.
15. 10 try again, but with your fingers on the correct keys
Talula ,   Israel   (03.11.10)
you make absolutely no sense AT ALL!
16. #6 are you out of ur mind; isn't a 9 year old boy civilian?
observer   (03.11.10)
Using civilians as human shields during war is prohibited by all laws. The bags were not his; soldiers just wanted to loot those. it was a reverse human shield case.
17. human shield - nomatter who does it is wrong
Galut ,   Selah   (03.11.10)
I am a strong supporter of Israel.... In Gods eyes this is wrong -all soldiers of Israel must be impressed with the idea all life is sacrad...if the enemy is firing at the israeli soldiers... the enemy is fair game and if they are useing human shields that enemy is responsible for what happens to them.... todays wars are being fought on a politicaly correct basis.... had ww2 been fought that way we would all be speaking german or japanese....
18. Of course the jews(or as they state,G-D's chosen people)..
Mark ,   Netherlands   (03.11.10)
Never commit such acts. I bet the boy went in front of the soldiers voluntarily and they just couldn't refuse...
19. Who is not taught to hero-worship Shaheeds?
Roland Seener ,   London England   (03.11.10)
20. Gaza War
Sam Smith ,   NY, NY, USA   (03.11.10)
We Jews were a people with a soul and no country in the past. Now we have a country with no soul. How long can we last!
21. this is wrong no matter whos side your on
JS ,   USA   (03.11.10)
22. :: William - #4
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (03.11.10)
“Dishonest”?! William getting a young child to check bags for bombs is not ‘dishonest’ it can be more correctly termed ‘cowardly’, ‘immoral’ or a whole host of other words. LOL!! William if you knew anything about the IDF you would know that between 2000 and 2005 the IDF used Palestinian civilian (of all ages and gender) approx 1,200 times as confirmed by the IDF themselves. These 1,200 + civilians were forced to do what the IDF should be doing by itself (checking houses for ‘terrorists’ or explosives). Yes the fact that the IDF (a supposedly ‘professional’ army and the ‘most moral army in the world’ to boot) forced a 9 yr old kid to check for explosives is ‘shocking’ but what is more shocking is that people like you falsely believe that this incident only occurs ‘a handful of times’ when in reality the IDF have a ongoing policy of using innocent civilians as human shields or to check for explosives etc. William another piece of disinformation (lies) that you include in your post is the claim that the Palestinians use their children as ‘human shields’ on a *daily* basis. This is your claim William and I challenge you to prove this statement. Show me reports (from a HR Org or a mainstream news media) that back up this silly claim that the Palestinians use their children, on a *daily* basis, as human shields.
23. Insanity
Brad ,   USA   (03.11.10)
Why do you Israelites constantly hold your fighting men to a higher standard than you hold your enemies? I know, our wet rag leaders in the U.S. do the same thing. Look, these muslim "children" blow themselves up to murder Jews, just like the muslim adults do. So, quit caving to "world opinion", and do whatever you have to do, to win. Not by any means necessary, but by any means, period.
24. 16 Do you READ the news?
Talula ,   Israel   (03.11.10)
Obviously not. Or you would know that Hamas recruits children to do its dirty work for them. Never heard of suicide bomber summer camp? Those childen are civilians until they get themselves involved in terror activities. These soldiers didn't shoot him or hurt him, they told him to open a bag, no law against that.
25. :: #4 - My dear William
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (03.11.10)
Do not be fooled by that impostor, I am the real BBS News aka Matty Groves. I post under both names because I have a trademark, paid $10 for each to register and they will make me $millions if I use them wisely.
26. Look who speaks of out of mind - #16! HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
(03.12.10)
She is always out of her mind, never comments to topic, and goes on a tangent every single time
27. You lot are a bunch of fecking head the balls
jeff ,   IRELAND   (03.12.10)
"rather than offend Islam. Under these shocking circumstances, it is IMPOSSIBLE for IDF soldiers to serve. " "Its a military court matter not exactly something the public need to be informed about. " "The boy is unharmed, what is the fuss about?More whining Arab and Leftist traitors are grasping at straws. " "They use 9 year olds to do just that, how did those soldiers know this kid wasn't fresh out of suicide bomber summer camp? " "Arab terrorists made the boy availabe to the IDF by keeping him in a war zone." "Not by any means necessary, but by any means, period" I'm going to use the N word here, as in NAZIS. Dipshit wankstains
28. #22 – Matty
William ,   Israel   (03.12.10)
You are right Matty I was trying to lessen the severity of the report to try and protect Israel. I acknowledge that the IDF DO use civilians as human shields and I fully concede that this ongoing practice is not only immoral and repugnant but is also defined as a War Crimes under international law. As to your question, I can’t prove the claim I made. Obviously Palestinians do not use their children as human shields on a daily basis. I would also like to say that I do not agree with the comments made by some posters here on this talkback as highlighted by Jeff from Ireland and ask you to please believe me when I say that these comments do not reflect the views of the majority of Israelis.
29. #24 those were suspected poppy trapped bags, and if the boy
observer   (03.12.10)
in their captivity (POW), they shouldn't have forced him as human shield to test for poppy traps. Well!, I predict your response: the Geneva convention rules do not apply for a 9 year old boy because he can't be POW!
30. on the request of UN
observer   (03.12.10)
Givati Soldiers forced a 9-year-old Palestinian boy to open a number of bags they thought might contain explosive materials. The the United Nations was the organization which requested Israel to bring the case to investigation. During Gaza war, Majdi Abed Rabbo had been used as a human shield. Majdi was handcuffed and forced to go in ahead of Israeli soldiers as they cleared houses containing Palestinian gunmen. Neither explicitly denied nor confirmed, the army decided to cast the Breaking of the Silence testimonies as utterly unreliable, thereby avoiding the need to address their content. To bring a case which was not on Goldstone's report or Breaking of the Silence testimonies, Israel tries to appease those who criticized Israel over the Report & Testimonies.
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