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We’re still in Diaspora
Miki Goldwasser
Published: 19.04.10, 19:14
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1. Miki
Talula ,   Israel   (04.19.10)
I'm SURE that every true Israeli was nodding their head as they read this. What a wonderful woman you really are.
2. so where are we heading?
MC   (04.19.10)
Excellent article from one who really knows. So where are we heading? Where are those ready to take responsibility for our future? It's time to stand up and be counted.
3. Interesting thoughts, Miki
Tamar ,   Israel   (04.19.10)
coming from a woman whose son's body was returned to Israel in exchange for the government giving our enemies the gift of such despicable people as Kuntar. I love this article and am in agreement with it, but really, would the early zionists be in agreement when the Kuntars of the world are released, in exchange for our soldiers dead bodies?
4. Shylock
israeli ,   israel   (04.19.10)
Leave Shylock alone, Mrs. Goldwasser. He was not about money, he was about honour and revenge.
5. Article good, Miki Bad!
PK ,   Hong Kong   (04.19.10)
Tamar (#3) got it 100% right. While I really like and fully agree with the article, the author is a bit of a hypocrite in my opinion. She was even willing to free her son's killers in return for his body! Is that what her son would even want?
6. TYPICAL
LAWRENCE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (04.19.10)
Sounds like you want to blame the religious for all of Israels' ills.But the fish stinks from the head..
7. We are in the foot path of our killers
Reuven Shahor ,   IL   (04.19.10)
My foremothers and forefathers arrived 1878, respectively 1883 in the Promised Land. As pioneers, Hertzl still didn't know what Zionism is, at that time ... Now, we are ready either to go back if the "State of Israel", best known as the land of Bibi, Avigdor and Ehud, succeeds or to stay, if we do it the way my foremothers and forefathers did. We aren't self-hatred, self-destructive fellows. We are proud Jews and convinced Proto-Zionists. But we aren't Nazionists, the Postholocaust and Poistnazi Mischmasch. Bibi, his "Holy Father" Ben-Zion, Avigdor and Ehud, they represent the worst still ruling racist power since May 9, 1945 I wish all of you the outmost best for the Yom Ha'aatzmaut. But I'm sure it's in vane if you, the Israeli sovereign, behave like the Shtetl idiots (yes, idiots! They were to fearful, you are deadly arrogant). Jew and Israeli, not a Socialist :-) Reuven
8. Israel is treated as the Jew of Nations
zvi   (04.19.10)
Jews were, for several milennia, the despised minority in other people's societies. Israel is a despised minority in a UN dominated by Muslim states.
9. they would not give live terrorists for dead flesh
Golan ,   modiin   (04.20.10)
excuse me lady but "real" Zionists would not give up dangerous terrorists for dead flesh. They would ridicule you for demanding that Israel pay a heavy price for wishful thinking.
10. False expectations
Jaydee ,   Australia   (04.20.10)
Can Israel survive with the threat of continual internal corruption, blackmail and bribery to the detriment of its citizens by its bureaucracy and its leadership? Its survival is more threatening by continuing to govern with a dysfunctional and defective political system led by corrupt and irresponsible politicians. Unless there is urgent reform the coup de grace for Israel survival could be allowing Obama to ally himself with Iranian Moslem fanatics
11. Where is Israel going?
Edwin ,   USA   (04.20.10)
As an American, I don't see Israel going anywhere, they treat my country as if its their plaything, then they want respect. I'm an American that wants peace in the Middle East, the one thing that Israel doesn't want, it stops the money flow from my country. With respect for Independence comes responsibility, which seems Israel doesn't have any more, and thats sad, because Independence should be celebrating pride, not ignorance.
12. Tamar #3: asks an important question
Steve   (04.20.10)
I am also in agreement with this piece, as I read it, yet (as Tamar asks), would Israel's founders have released a mass-murderer to our enemies in exchange for bodies as former PM Ehud Olmert and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni did? Would Israel's founders agree to a corrupt UN Security Council resolution (1701) which delivered a huge victory to Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, etc., as Prime Minister Olmert and FM Tzipi Livni did? And then sell it to the people as a victory when in fact it was a defeat? Isn't it more corrupt that our young men (and women) die for little or nothing?
13. Reuven Shahor @ 7, if you tried to reach somebody
leo ,   usa   (04.20.10)
you succeeded. Your post created resentment at least in this one Jew. All you have done is cheapen the memory of those Jews who perished during Holocaust or during Inquisition and so on. I bet you will not be able to bring Bibi's and Lieberman's behavior even to remote resemblance of accusations you were throwing no matter how hard you will try.
14. Thank you Miki
Zionoid Entity ,   Occupied Toronto, Ka   (04.20.10)
All the best to you.
15. Every word is a pearl of wisdom
Sagi   (04.20.10)
Where is this country going ? Right down the tube, moreover there are people with their hand on the lever ready to give it a good flush on its way. It hurts me to speak this way of my country that I love so much but only when the truth is recognizable and acknowleged can it be rectified. This would be the first step on the road to recovery. That road is a long and painful highway and it requires a Sheriff at the helm with a whole lot of two manned cruisers on patrol.
16. Missing a big chunk of the story
Oreet   (04.20.10)
Miki makes many good points but chose to ignore the fact that these "Zionists" that she extols, the Biluim, Second Aliya, etc are the same ones who made every effort to erase our religious heritage. They wanted to create the "New Jew" and with that to eliminate the Torah and all vestiges of religion. With that they erased much of value and ended up with a society based on protekzia, who you know became more important that what you did and we continue to suffer from that today. The second major point she is missing is that if you are going to stand up for your country and defend it as her son hy"d did then you do not release your enemies to get back dead bodies' you do not put your country at risk for the emotional benefit of one family - that is selfish, with a capital S.
17. Bibi is the ONLY world leader who fears Obama.
Chaim ,   Israel   (04.20.10)
The diaspora mentality is, unfortunately, very much alive in Israel today. We see it in the constant toadying of Israeli leaders to hostile foreigners. Can you imagine any other nation allowing foreigners to presume to divide it's capital city? Can you imagine any other nation allowing foreigners to presume to dicate where it's citizens can live? Of course not. Bibi is the ONLY world leader who fears Obama. Virtually everyone else laughs at Obama. Israel is 62 already. It's way past time to stand proud and tall for our country and submit to nobody.
18. Tamar #3: Her post was concise and
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (04.20.10)
right on. Mirrored my thoughts exactly!
19. not afraid of O
ben Ish   (04.20.10)
That is not how the world works. Obama is a puppet. The pressures Bibi must consider begin with the IMF, whose demands are camouflaged through carefully worded political statements written for, and read by Obama. He says and does NOTHING of himself. That being said, everyone must know that Obama is intent on destroying the US, but first he will use the US power to destroy Israel, unless his proxy in Iran can do it first.
20. the redemption
cristian ,   arg   (04.20.10)
the preaching of the word is not about religion it is about the redemption,i know that the evil spiritual forces control the world so the jews and yisrael suffer a lot through the history and it had to be in reverse the people of the torah should be at the top of the world because of that the preaching of the word to show who the messiah is to bring salvation to yisrael,the jews and the world from the lie and evil,i do not come with crosses and images or trying to convert jews to cristianity,i come with the word of the torah to end this old world of hate,lie,evil,misery,war,death,sick and the worst of human to start the new world of love,truth,good,shalom,life and the best of human so again this is not about religion it is redemption of the souls from the lie and evil with JESUSALEN!!!
21. #20 "I DO NOT COME WITH CROSSES
LAWRENCE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (04.21.10)
And images or trying to convert the jews" but yes, of course you do.You can't help it, you are a christian and it is in your blood.Jesus is your Messiah..he is NOT mine.Thank you.
22. agree,please talk to your politicians
palestinian ,   USA   (04.21.10)
the creation of Israel ,the gathering of all the jews in one place ..is one of the major sign of the proximity of the judgement day .. those are basic ABC knowledge for a 1.5 billion (and growing ) muslims around the world . you need to do your homework Miki about that part .. they can't be all stupid .
23. Poland
ben Ish   (04.21.10)
You see what happened in Poland, when a leader goes against the IMF, EU and friends. This is the "other considerations" he mentioned awhile back.
24. Real Zionists..
Allon   (04.21.10)
.. cut off Yemite Kids Peyot, Real Zionists decided to try and "kill God" what happened? only zionists nowdays are religious
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