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Our true friends
Dan Calic
Published: 22.04.10, 11:22
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31. to #24 and purple elephants can fly
ghostq   (04.22.10)
nobama couldn't make peace between police athority and afrikan amerika profesor.
32. Conversion of the Jews
Susan ,   Syracuse, NY   (04.22.10)
Kim in Australia - I am a Christian Zionist (for many years) and I do not believe that every Jew has to be converted to Christianity to fulfill the end times. I have heard of this belief, ONCE, from my own wacked out sister, but the majority of us do not see any scriptural support for this. It's just crazy to say that. You just sound hateful about Christians and very bitter. And obviously are uninformed.
33. Christian view of Jews
Susan ,   Syracuse, NY   (04.22.10)
And along the same line as Kim's purposely misleading comments, I just want you to know that Christian Zionists are increasingly at odds with other Chrisitans here in the US. Some guy lectured me the other day how the Jews are occupying Palestine and need to return it to the Palestinians. He said his Methodist church teaches that. This was an unsolicited comments on the telephone from an anti-Israel Christian zealot. Would you rather deal with those Christians? I wear a Cross AND Star of David everyday. Increasingly frowned upon to support the Jews, thanks to Obama.
34. What is with the terrible articles??
Brian ,   Cincinnati, USA   (04.22.10)
The writing on this news site is getting worse and worse. Whoever wrote this terrible article needs to do a little more fact checking, get in check with reality, and lose their bias. 1. Most Christian "Zionists" do not support Israel because of their love for the Jewish people. The belief is that when all the Jews return to Israel, the end of the world will come into being, the rapture, etc... 2. You are white-washing the issue when you say that the Christian bible has no derogatory statements about Jews. For instance, the Gospel of John, the last to be written, is differentiated from the Gospel of Mark because of its negative references to the Jews. Further, much of Paul's writing presents Jews in a negative light. Passages from these parts of the New Testament were interpreted to create the anti-semitic attitude of the medieval Catholic Church and the Protestant Churches of the Reformation. While I agree that it is nice of these people to support Israel, it is unwise to laud their support when the ultimate goal has nothing to do with Israel, and is negative for the Jewish people. To label the many varieties of Christians that support Israel throughout the world as "Christian Zionists" is foolish. Many different strands of Christianity have many different ideas about the worth of Jews, even in supporting Israel. To conclude, this article is bogus- it clearly white-washes these Christian groups as good and Muslims as evil. To do so is not only ignorant but also a silly exercise. There are much more relative and interesting things to be talking about then what a "mega-church" is doing in Texas.
35. #24 If you were driving..
Joey Rose ,   Portland   (04.22.10)
you'd have been pulled over for driving while intoxicated.
36. #2, #23, #24 and #27 are all impostors
(04.22.10)
enough of these fake posters already!!!
37. christian zionists
Richard Sherwin, Herzliyah   (04.22.10)
1. I agree totally with this essay. 2. Christians have the right to hope/ pray for our conversion eventually to their religion, just as we consider at the end of days everyone will come to Jerusalem under our umbrella --converted or not. 3. I'll let Gd and the Messiah decide which theology they'll preach when the time comes; meanwhile, righteous gentiles are righteous gentiles and to be appreciated and treated as such. We learned that lesson over centuries, and certainly in the century of the Sho'ah.
38. Thanking X'ers for their support
Yochanan ,   P.R./Yasur   (04.22.10)
Just remember that they are nice to us now.But just look how they are trying to convert us. Just above the talkbacks on this article,is a advertisment For Free Messianic Bibles.Once they find out that they can't convert us.They will return to hating us again for killing their god.
39. Our true friends
ZD ,   USA   (04.22.10)
don't forget also the saudi wahabi zionists too.
40. Friends of Jews for Judaism?
Abraham ,   London   (04.22.10)
It is hard to imagine that they are firends of jews for judaism, since this means rejecting theri own bible. The question: Isn't it better to have a friend that loves you for who you truly are? Every Jew is either an uncompromising Jew for Judaism. or has ancestors who were! To truly love us they must also love uncompromising traditional Judaism, which is what G-d has used to keep us as a distinct people to this day. Now, if they were secular non-jews, there might be a chance of them actually loving us, and loving what has and does make us truly unique - our traditional jewish heritage.
41. TALKBACK NUMBER 15.
(04.22.10)
YOU ERR !!!. THE KORAN EXOLICITLY STRIKE AT THE CORE OF CHRISTIANITY BY SAYINGJ ESUS DID NOT RISE FROM THE DEAD. SO ACCORDING TO TE KORAN, CHRISTIANITY IS A LIE. BUT ACCORDING TO THE BOK OF REVELATION, 500 YEARS BEFORE MUHAMMED, IT POINTED OUT ISLAM AS A FALSE PROPHET. "no such hateful verses in the Christian Bible" WHAT??? Have you no understanding of the Crusaders and the Catholic Church have done the 2000 years? You have a sickness. your love of money has replaced your jewish values and brought on a neurotic islamophobe out. THE CATOLIC CHURCH IS RECORDED IN THE REVELATION AS A FAKE CHURCH A SPIRITAL HARLOT. Arn.
42. TALKBACK NUMBER 17.
Arn. ,   SWEDEN.   (04.22.10)
AMEN !!!. Arn.
43. TALKBACK NUMBER 23.
Arn. ,   SWEDEN.   (04.22.10)
JEHOVAH DOES NOT AGREE TO YOUR STATEMENT - JESAJAH 11 14But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west Joel 3 1"For behold, in those days and in that time, when I shall bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for My people and for My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted My land. Arn.
44. Let them help us!!!
Avner ,   Tel Aviv   (04.22.10)
We need those suckers to help us. Why not take their money, after all we are the chosen people...hahahaha
45. "There are no such hateful verses in the Christian Bible"???
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (04.22.10)
I'm an advocate for encouraging Christians to learn more about the historical Pharisee Ribi who taught Torah, NOT Christianity. That is the only path to eventual harmony. If Christians would read Oxford historian James Parkes' dissertation on the intrinsic misojudaism in the Christian Church (The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue) you'd could understand. Torah prohibits the NT, which, therefore, depends upon supersession--Displacement Theology (see the Netzarim website, below). If "Jewish" element of the hate-fomenters antagonize all non-Jews where does that leave them, since that comprises the entire rest of the world? Jordan and Egypt are our "friends." The U.S. is our "friend" and--wake up--while not a "Christian nation," it is a nation of predominantly Christians. There is no future for the fringe island of hate-obsessed "Jewish" loonies. We aren't going to agree with our friends on every issue but that doesn't mean that we cannot be cordial and coexist peacefully if they are similarly inclined AS LONG AS BOTH SIDES keep in mind that we BOTH must retain the freedom and openness to disagree intensely and passionately when it comes to these issues. On the other hand, Christians who don't recognize the NT verses below as misojudaic ARE misojudaic: I Thes. 2.15 [Jews] Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they [Jews] please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16 ...to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them [Jews] to the uttermost. Acts 13.39 [Jews who follow Torah doomed] And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye [Jews] could not be justified by the law of Moses. John 8.44 Ye [Jews] are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8.47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye [Jews] therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. John 14.6 [Jews who refuse Jzeus rejected by God] I am the Way the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by Me. [Thus, Jews who refuse Jzeus suffer all of the curses, damnations, and burning forever in the eternal lake of fire as enemies of God... and the Church] Lukas 19.27 [Christians commanded to kill Jews who refuse rule of Jzeus] But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Christians: for centuries, the Church villified Jews as "enemies of god and the Church. The Netzarim have demonstrated that true followers of Ribi Yehoshua [a] keep Torah according to Halakhah just as Ribi Yehoshua did, and [b] followers of Ribi Yehoshua who keep Torah according to Halakhah are accepted in Orthodox Judaism (Ribi Yehoshua's community)--I've been an Orthodox Jew in good standing in an Orthodox synagogue for decades. You, too, can turn from the Hellenist apostasy of 135 C.E. and their misojudaic NT and follow, instead, Ribi Yehoshua in keeping Torah. That is the only path to the reconciliation you hope for. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jews & non-Jews)
46. Only liberal American Jews are afraid of Christian Zionists
Tomas ,   New York   (04.22.10)
Only liberal American Jews are afraid and hate Christian Zionists. American jews were brain washed but the famous organization"democratic party. My father was saved during WW2 in Eastern europe by Christian Zionist. I am named after first Christian Zianist Europian polititian, first president of Czecoslovakia Tomas Masaryk.
47. Zion
John ,   USA   (04.22.10)
To # 24 , Lots of luck. Don't trust obama, check out his middle name. enough said. Jews are G-d's choosen people and as such G-d will take care of them. We love Israel and the Jewish people, they do not have to convert . We pray for them every day.
48. HAGEE IS A FRIEND - WE SHOULD SAY THANK YOU !!
Andrew ,   Miami,FL   (04.22.10)
49. I urge American Jews to begin supporting our friends.
Chaim ,   Israel   (04.23.10)
It seems that no matter how hostile and despicable Obama, and the Democrats, are to Jews and Israel; American Jews continue to shower them with money and votes. Why? Our true friends are concentrated among Republicans, Fundamentalist Christians and political conservatives. The friendship of these groups is all the more remarkable because American Jews offer them so little support in return. I urge American Jews to start acting like rational human beings. Support our friends and stop supporting our enemies.
50. "..they are beloved for the fathers' sakes..." Romans 11
ruth ,   Singapore   (04.23.10)
"but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." Romans 11. G-D's love Israel and elected His chosen People, they remain His children forever, G-D never change His heart. Jewish brothers at this moment reject Christ, but they remain our spiritual brother of the same Father. My sister is a buddhist who bellieve not in Christ, nevertheless i will still love her not lesser till the end of life, simply because she is my sister, whether share my faith not, only sadden that she will not be there when i see Christ. i will not force her just pray for her, will not forsake her in the end if she remain harden. thus, i love the Jewish brothers in the same way, i can only pray for you. you are the main olive branch, the first born from G-D, His first-love, our spiritual brothers forever. ynet, pl post this. toda rabah.
51. To # 5
Gary Glaser ,   Hutchinson, MN, USA   (04.23.10)
You've been sold a bill of goods. Palestine is a geographic designation, not an ethnic designation. It was first coined sometime around 135 CE by the Romans, so how could Jesus, who was born 100 years before then, be the first Palestinian? Also Palestine come from the word for Phoenicians, who were an ancient people related to the Greeks. Those who call themselves Palestinian today have no relationship to the Phoenicians. Finally, Jesus himself indicates that not everyone who thinks they are following G-d are really following G-d, except those who are following his commandments. The last I heard, killing those who disagree with you was not one of them.
52. Christian "Zionists"
Kenfolk ,   Detroit, Mich., USA   (04.23.10)
In the Spanish Inquisition Jews were given 3 choices: a) convert to Christianity, b) death, or c) exile. The so called Christian Zionists envision that after the Jews return to Zion, they will either be put to death or accept Jesus as the Messiah. They are worse than the Christians of Spain in 1492. With friends like them, who needs enemies?
53. Salma 5 You are distorting things as always
Ari ,   Romania   (04.23.10)
Jesus was Born in Bethlehem the same place as King David. They were Both Born in what was Juda's Land, which later became the Kingdom of Judea. The Land Of Judea which compromised the Jerusalem Area, Part of Samaria and Galilee retain the name of Judea ,Until the Year 132CE When the Rebelion of Bar Kochba was broken by the Romans, and the land renamed Palestine by the Romans as a form of vengance against the Jews who faught them for 200 hundred years. Jesus was Born a Jew and died as a Jew. He was crucified by the Romans acused of rebelion. That is Why in the cross a sign on top, red: INRI, which means in Latin Iesus Nezarenus Rex Judearum.(Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews) So to conclude the term Palestinian was only used after the year 132CE, and Jesusu died aprx the year 33CE. So he could not be Palestinian, he was a JEW. According to the Cristian tradition he died at age 33, if he was born in Year one he was Crucified by the Romans in 33CE. Judea had a King in the name was Herod the Geat who finish building the Jewish Temple, on top the Temple mount, later on, 800 years later the place was desecrated by the Muslims when they build there a Mosque..Nowing there stood the Jewish Temple. Selma you must read better the History, most of was said here is registered by different Roman Historians. The rest you can also read from Favius Josephus" the War of the Jews against The Romans"
54. 45 You can't be Orthodox and teach about Jesus
Shmulik   (04.23.10)
Choose this day whom you will serve.
55. the ignorance here is embarrassing
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (04.23.10)
people should at least read the new testament if they are going to talk about what it says (assuming their intention is honesty).
56. Thank you Mr. Hagee!
Sue ,   Los Angeles   (04.23.10)
57. it is about the last paragraph
nora ,   jerusalem   (04.23.10)
in kuran god say --when abraham asked the bless of god to all abraham descentdants god say who are not fare will not get my mercy --- i think it is more logic and it is the jstice of the only god the only ruler of this world ... another thing islame was the last religion so when god give examples of people he say about jews and about the past nations and their relation with the faith ..it is the logic that nowadays there are good people and bad people from all religions or do you see anothor thing ... it is the logic and it is the justice and it is only one god .. if i support the jews it is not becouse of the past it is becouse of their actions but sorry to tell you that not all jews are good and israil broke the face of judism real judism that god speak about it in kuran
58. 54 I teach Jzeus is a false god. You are not Orthodox!
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (04.23.10)
I'm a member in good standing of Orthodox synagogue Moreshet Avot here in Raanana for decades. You, by contrast are a hate-mongering ignoramus who commits leshon ha ra and khilul ha-Sheim. Learn to read. You sound like a Reform "Jew"--the only difference between you and any Christian is that you "disbelieve" in Jzeus. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jews & non-Jews)
59. 58 We thank you for not hiding you lack of integrity
Shmulik   (04.23.10)
Smoke and mirrors, sleight of hand, re-loaded terms, misdirection, misrepresentation, obscuring - it's all here for us to see. You're a supposed convert and you teach about Jesus by giving him a different name and tweaking what he said for your own self-serving purposes. Orthodox have never done that and never will. And by doing so you set yourself apart from and outside of established Jewish tradition. If I'm not Orthodox as you baselessly claim then all the more neither is the huckster who calls himself "Paqid."
60. "...of all the tribes of the children of Israel"
ruth ,   Singapore   (04.23.10)
"...there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel." Revelation 7:3-8. If you were to read Revelation thoroughly, nothing was mentioned of curses or condamnation upon the Jewish Nation, instead "children of Israel" was the only tribe mentioned out to be "sealed"/blessed. the rest of the world, the west, the chinese, the asian all fall under v.9 "a great multitude... of all nations". The Bible seek not to condemn the Jews, but reveal judgment to all; the Whites, the Blacks, the Asians... but specially blessings only mentioned to the Jewish Nation. We look forward to rejoice with every Jewish brother in heaven, never thought of cursing those that don't believe to go to hell. What the crusaders did were not according to Bible teaching, salvation can't never be thru forced conversion. actually we wept silently every times a relative died without believing in Christ, we wept too for joy when a friend saved. Ynet, pl pl post this final post. very grateful! toda rabah.
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