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Needless rightist march
Shlomo Angel
Published: 26.04.10, 11:24
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1. Shlomo Angel can't be serious
Akiva   (04.26.10)
Is he really attacking Jews for carrying Israel flags in Jerusalem? Is he really suggesting that this is a danger to our cause and an affront to democracy? What a loon.
2. Dear Shlomo
Ricardo Macher ,   Karnei Shomron IL   (04.26.10)
If it may be true that the supreme court is doing more against Israel than the contrary, putting the cold law above the interest of the country, in the same basis, parades with arab flags shouldn't be allowed in Israel since they may offend any patriotic citizen. Thou, you see the left flaming them in Tel Aviv, not to talk about Um-El Faham that is also part of Israel. So, please, put your ideas together! What is more important for you? Status Quo or democracy? Before you ask, for me, neither is important, just Israel!
3. Democratic Right
EGGM ,   Petah TIkva, Israel   (04.26.10)
The issue here is simple. Do Israelis have the right to walk ("march") anywhere in the State of Israel? The answer, according to Shlomo Angel and the Israeli left, is no. There is no such thing as a "march" that "creates a provocation". If someone (in this case, Arabs and Neturei Karta) reacts violently to people making a nonviolent protest (in this case, suprisingly, it's Marzel, Ben Gvir, etc.), then it's they who create the provocation. Whether or not you like the extreme-rightists Marzel and Ben Gvir (and I do not, simply because of their stance towards the IDF), you have to respect their democratic right to protest anywhere within the borders of Israel, as defined by Israeli law. If someone doesn't like that, then they are the ones creating the so-called "provocation".
4. There were only 20 people marching
Stan ,   USA   (04.26.10)
Only in Israel are 20 right wingers marching peacefully near an arab neighborhood considered a threat to peace, but thousands of Gay people have a natural right to offend religious people by parading through their neighborhoods.
5. #3 EGGM do the arabs have the same right
Avi ,   Israel   (04.26.10)
So i presume you support full democratc rights for all? So do arabs have the democratic right to march through Tel Rumeida in Hebron? As Israeli citizens they to are entiletle to march any where they like.
6. Blatant provocations
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah, Efraim,   (04.26.10)
B"H If Angel thought Jerusalem was truly the united capital of Israel, he would not have considered a few Jews walking down with Israeli flags in their hands in any of its neighborhoods' streets neither a big deal, nor a “blatant provocation”. The very fact that in order to do just that, the few good Jews effectively had to risk their lives and were in need of massive police and special forces protection, is an alarming indication of the unsustainability of a status quo the Arabs with their international Jew-hater friends are trying to force on us by imposing with violence and with the threat of violence no-go-zones for Jews, in Israel, while their mothers, wives and daughters are happily shopping in Jerusalem’s malls. Equating this murderous Arab stone-throwing Jew-hatred to the Jewish love of Torah, that commands us to hate evil, represented here by the gay march on Jerusalem, clearly is an error and one wonders where an author portrayed here with a kippah could have learned all this nonsense. Maybe it's time for him to consult his rabbi on how to distinguish between right and wrong, between good and evil.
7. Whoa
Smith ,   TA, Israel   (04.26.10)
This article is amazing. It's a pro-settler writer teling Marzal to stop protesting because it makes the settlement enterprise look bad. Incredible. Guess what Shlomo? The settler enterprise looks atrocious even without the provocations of racists like Marzal and Ben Givr! The world pressure to stop it has always been there! Talk about myopia. Or is it glaucoma?
8. Hundreds of thousands should have joined the march.
Chaim ,   Israel   (04.26.10)
What Angel doesn't realize is that if Israel is going to give in to "foreign pressure", we may as well forget about the whole thing. This is our land. It has been our land for more than 3,500 years and always will be. There are far more Moslems and Arabs than Jews. Thus their voices will prevail at the U.N. and other international bodies for the forseeable future. The only problem with the patriotic march is that hundreds of thousands more people should have joined it.
9. YNET is a needless leftist web service!
everett ,   london   (04.26.10)
When will YNET have some balance?
10. #3 the arabs live and march where ever they want in Israel
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11. to #5 arabs did marched in TA
ghostq   (04.26.10)
go check your facts, but jews r not allowed to march in their area much like the swastika on Jaffa synagogue. smell like racism to me.
12. to #7 they want to march in jerusalem
ghostq   (04.26.10)
that isn't setelment, it's public area to all citizens to march in, unless you don't like democracy in which some minorities r not allowed to march in certain areas, you know whoweren't allowed to march incertain areas do you? or history escaped you.
13. Redefining Jerusalem
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (04.26.10)
When is a thief not a thief? When he redefines the act of theft as 'liberation'. The problem is that Israel, unilaterally redefined the borders of Jerusalem, expanding it well into the West Bank. Then it wails that these redefined borders of Jerusalem, are somehow inviolate. And most Israelis jump on the bandwagon calling for the continuing building of settlements and neighborhoods in the area as part of 'Israel's right to build in their capital'.It doesn't matter that the land in question was never a part of Jerusalem in the first place. The duplicity of Israelis apparently knows no bounds. The writer, even when he acknowledges the fact of such duplicity, ignores the lie. Instead he deplores the march on the grounds that it exposes the lie for all to see.
14. Needless demonstration
Ari ,   NYC USA   (04.26.10)
The extreme right led by narcissists like Gvir do almost as much damage to the nationalist camp as the extreme left. Gvir should have respected the wishes of the Jewish residents of Silwan. The way to achieve sovereignty is by building and acquiring quietly. Demonstrations by a few unemployed rightwing nut jobs serve only to strengthen the hand of the left.
15. Sovereignty in Jerusalem???
Ashbrook ,   Portland, OR, USA   (04.26.10)
Must I remind Mr. Angel and his readers that not a single country in the world, besides Israel, recognizes "Israeli sovereignty" in any part of Jerusalem? Don't believe me? Well, try counting the number of embassies located in Jerusalem. You won't need to count very high. The number is zero! (There are some consulates, but not embassies.) If Israel wants the international community to recognize Israeli sovereignty in the part of Jerusalem that actually belongs to Israel -West Jerusalem- it will need to end its occupation of the part of Jerusalem that belongs to the Palestinians - East Jerusalem.
16. Shlomo Angel jeopardizes Jewish sovereignty in Jerusalem
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (04.26.10)
By not standing up for our rights - those rights are challenged around the world, even though they are protected by international laws. All land west of the Jordan is Jewish period - that is what international law states. By allowing Arabs to steal our land that jeopardizes our legal claims. Enforce the laws and claim our lands - deport illegal aliens back to their own countries now!
17. Shlomo Angel, a kippa on the head religious doesn't make
m   (04.26.10)
Even praying 3 times a day, it's all from the heart, not from the lips. He who denies Jewish rights in Eretz Israel does not believe in Torah.
18. March
ida nudel ,   Rehovot Israel   (04.26.10)
If Israel is a democratic state there are every group of opinion should be represented.But we know that left and arabs, post cionist and what ever others are welcom to express opinion, but till now the only zionist group did not had the privilagge to speak and express their dream. Give them right and do not cry over them. Sorry for my poor knowlage of English.
19. Ashbrook #15 wrong on all counts
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (04.26.10)
There is at least one country that does recognize our claim - the United States. The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 does exactly what you claim doesn't exist. Next I challenge you on your moronic claim of occupation. The San Remo Treaty 1920, Mandate for Palestine 1922 and the UN Charter have the exact same claim. The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power. I have challenge for you - name a single law or treaty that gives the Arabs any rights. I bet 100,000 US dollars you cannot come up with any such law or treaty,
20. Status of Jerusalem
Ashbrook ,   Portland, OR USA   (04.27.10)
According to the US State Department (December, 2009), "Our position on Jerusalem is clear. United States policy remains unaffected and unchanged: As has been stated by every previous administration which addressed this issue, the status of Jerusalem, and all other permanent status issues, must be resolved by the parties through negotiations," The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 has never been implemented. The US Embassy is in Tel Aviv, and in Tel Aviv it will remain until Israel reaches a peace agreement with the Palestinians, or until Sarah Palin is elected President of the USA, whichever comes first. When Israel finally ends its occupation of East Jerusalem, the US will move its embassy to West Jerusalem, Israel's legitimate "eternal capital." Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem has been rejected by the international community in its entirety. I may be a moron, but I'm able to understand UN Security Council Resolutions 476 and 478, which carry the weight of international law. The US abstained on those two resolutions, but it did not veto them.
21. #5—A Typical Confused Leftist
EGGM ,   Petah Tikva, Israel   (04.27.10)
I am sorry Avi, but Hebron is not in Israel under Israeli law. Silwan is. Please check the facts before introducing falsehoods into your posts.
22. 21 - if israeli arabs want to march through mea shearim?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (04.27.10)
or beit shemesh or modi'in is that just as ok as this march through silwan? (and i'm no 'lefty')
23. Re: Mike 22 Not OK.
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah, Efraim,   (04.27.10)
B"H Of course it's not. OK. Why not? Because the criteria is tit-for-tat but Torah truth, in the Land of Israel and especially in Jerusalem..
24. #15
frank ,   israel   (04.27.10)
where is it that you believe that Jeruselem is not the capital of Israel? Just because the US says? Just because England does not have its embassy here? Washington DC is the capital because they stole the land from the American Indians. Jeruselem has been our capital for over 5000 years! You can try to re-write history any way you wish, but let's examine the FACTS, which do not change. Fact: Jeruselem is the Capital of Israel and the Jewish people. It doesn't matter how many mosques are built OVER our holy sites, the facts are facts!!!! The US with all their holy retoric can simply stuff it up their bum. consider what you have done to the American Indian, stole their land, put them in refugee camps, broke every (252) treaty with them, and still you insist American is a democracy? Let's see obama give back his home to to the rightful owner. Here we are the rightful owner....get some history ..... learn the FACTS and not the crap you see on CNN, BBC or SKY.....
25. Ashbrook #20 try reading your own laws
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (04.27.10)
(a) Statement of the Policy of the United States.— (1) Jerusalem should remain an undivided city in which the rights of every ethnic and religious group are protected. (2) Jerusalem should be recognized as the capital of the State of Israel; and (3) the United States Embassy in Israel should be established in Jerusalem no later than May 31, 1999. Passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the President of the United States. Makes it law stupid!
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