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A war for world’s future
Mordechai Kedar
Published: 31.05.10, 11:53
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31. The absurd angst of Israel here writ large…
k1w1 ,   NZ   (05.31.10)
The IDF, one of the most powerful forces on the planet, storms out to confront a couple of boats full of folk who were armed with little more than pitchforks, and this fool would have us believe it was a “battle taking place off Gaza”, and that Israel, nay! the entire world, is facing an existential threat from the forces of evil represented by the Muslims, a struggle of titanic proportions, no less. “A clash…”, “…this struggle of titans”, “who is master of this region?”, “…aspire to again rule the middle east”, “…subjugate it to their green flag”, “a cultural-religious battle”, and the “cloud that is about to cover the sun of global liberal democracy”. What strange, archaic language, reminiscent of fundamental Islamic rhetoric. And this so-called doctor’s answer to the flotilla would have been to sabotage the ships underwater, which he thinks would be an elegant solution. Outrageous! My suggestion to you, Kedar, is that you turn around and take yourself and your repulsive ideas back to the last century and find a big rock to live under. Israel does not need the likes of you, and nor does the rest of the world.
32. and the left of center left is in the same category as
ralph   (05.31.10)
radical islam. everything left of center left is also the enemy of liberal democracy. we must confont those within our own community.
33. Liberal Westerners have allied with the Jihadists
Shame   (05.31.10)
How can you say the liberal are on Israels side. They have forgotten their western values and chose to ally with those trying to destroy their way of life instead of fighting alongside Israel. The West is doomed as long as this continues.
34. It's no accident
Thomas ,   Dixieland USA   (05.31.10)
The open war on Israel started with the election of Obamao - thanks to the swooning Jews like Dershowitz and the bottomless money pit of the Bolshevik Jewish American plutocrats. With Obamao as president the whole world of Jihad now is awaken knowing that with Obamao backing they could eradicate the Jews. And the Commie Jews at Jstreet clapping their hands ecstatically... Masks are off, the war now is in the open no more restrain needed...
35. come on...
mustafa ,   jeddah   (05.31.10)
first of all, it is not a battle, an attack against civilian, classical bloody israil. surely all flotilla was shiping food and aid stuff. of course turks, we, did not submit the all stuff to israel army or any officer to transport to gaza. who believes, trusts to israel to do this. and finally, nobody do not lump us and hamas else together or compare. we managed the region for centuries and let jewish live in freedom but we are able to do much better...
36. Absolute Twaddle
Robert ,   LA, USA   (05.31.10)
This is about a war with radical Islam? Shifting the subject matter as usual? This was about a total lack of self-restraint. This was about a lack of judgment and discernment of the danger of the ship. These people were media hounds, for God's sake! Israel should have behaved in a way that did it proud, b shadowing the ships for several days! Instead, they blew a huge hole in their foot, and lost the support of the civilized world.
37. extremely insightful analysis and call to action. match this
ralph   (05.31.10)
against the dribble from the left and cohorts.
38. very well said #21 (the plan)!
Debbie ,   Israel   (05.31.10)
39. To all anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli talkbacks
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (05.31.10)
1) Despite your braindead, unlogical, inconsisent rant, due to extensive drug use, you change nothing. We Jews/Israelis are the natives, the original population and the original owners of the land of Israel since 2000 BCE and Arabs are as "natural" and "native" in Israel as Europeans are in Northern America. 2) The Arab world is despotic and so are the Arabs of Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Israel is th only democracy of the Middle East and one of the most democratic nations on earth - granting religious freedom for everyone and even allowing Arabs to reside and live in Israel with full democratic and citizenship rights including voting for Arab Members of Knesset spewing Jew hatred on a daily basis and de facto acting like traitors and a fifth column at the expense of Israeli tax payers! 3)In Israel there are more tha 1 million Arabs. In the Arab world, hardly any Jews are left - almost one million Jews were ethnically cleansed in the 1940s and 1950s. 4) There is no letter "p" in Arabic. 5) "Palestine" or "Palaestina" is a Roman/Latin name - has nothing to do with Arabs/Moslems. 6) There is no "Palestine" or "Palestinians" in the Bible and the Koran. 7) Jews/Israelis are the natives and original population/owners of the land of Israel and even blood related to the ancient Canaanites. Check Wikipedia - check Kingdom of Israel, Kingdom of Judah, kings of Israel and Judah, check ethnic/cultural/linguistic connection/bond between Jews/Israelis and Canaanites and Phoenicians. 8) When and where exactly does this "Palestine" exist? No Arab referred to themselves as "Palestinians prior to 1967 and Judea/Samaria was occupied by Jordan from 1949-1967 and Gaza was occupied by Egypt between 1949-1967. Funnily enough, there were no protests neither from the local Arabs nor from the talkbacks. No "Palestine" or "Palestinians" existed in 1948, 1900, 500 years ago, 1000 years ago or 5000 years ago. 9)What kings, dynasties, temples, palaces, capitals, cities, philosophers, philosophies, language, alphabet, religion,territory, borders, waters, mountains, lakes, valley and rivers, currency and neighbors did the "ancient" "Palestinians" have? 10) How come that NO Isrelite/Israeli/Jewish/Judean/Hebrew, Canaanite, Phoenician, Philisteene(Greek Cretans), Egyptian, Sumerian, Hittite, Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Byzantian, Arab, Mongol, Turkish/Ottoman or Christian Medieval European sources EVER MENTION ONCE ANY "Palestinian" race of people, ethnicity, nationality, tribe, culture, nation, religion, kings, dynasties, history, identity, state, kingdom, republic or duchy in the history of mankind? 11) And how come that besides from ancient Judean/Jewish/Israeli/Israelite/Hebrew sources, Jews/Israelis are also explicitly mentioned in Canaanite, Phoenician, Egyptian, Hittite, Philisteene, Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Byzantinian, Arab, Turkish and medieval Christian European sources? Is this a conspiracy too? 12) If the Moslem lives are so important to you, why did Moslems kill 10 million Moslems since 1945? Because of Moslem brotherly love? And if this land is so important to you then why the hell did Christians and Moslems leave the country to rot and become a country almost empty of people - a country desolate, unlovely, covered in deserts and malaria infested swamps? Is this a sign of your love to the land? And killing Jews for thousands of years - is this also a sign or proof of your brotherly love?
40. battle for religion or legitimacy?
anonymous ,   US   (05.31.10)
Arab Leaders have continued use religion just like they use Israel as a tool to garner support from their own populations and to retain legitimacy, and this is all a byproduct of Arab nationalism. This conflict is not as clear cut as as israel vs. west, a clash of civilizations, but it is safe to say that it is not just about Gaza. In addition, amongst one of your arguments in this haphazard amalgamation of hot topics, that Islamic forces are threatening to take over the world is based on paranoia and has as much basing as the propagandist threat of Israel taking over the world. And as much as I'd like to say that this will "wake up the world from its stupor," unfortunately, PR isn't and was never exactly one of Israel's strong points. I 100% agree that Israel should have twisted this and put it on Hamas by demanding Schalit's release; it's unfortunate that this wasn't the chosen method to resolve the matter.
41. #9 Stupid Comment
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (05.31.10)
Everybody with eyes sees what they want to see, Judy The process of Israel coming into being is perfectly legal. Dr. Keder makes a sound analysis. Hamas, Hezbollah, now Iran seek our demise and we simply won't allow it. Do you have a problem with that? If you're Greek you should know what I'm talking about
42. #39 Alexander May Your Words Resound as Bellows To The World
Brazen   (05.31.10)
Well said my Brother !!!
43. #8
Ed ,   Phila., PA   (05.31.10)
A Russian preaching about occupying another nation. How appropriate.
44. #9 Nonsense.
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45. My suggestion to you Kiwi
Cynthia ,   USA   (06.01.10)
Bow down to Kedar. He's an expert on Israel-Arab communications and relations. There was nothing repulsive about what Kedar said except you may not agree with him.
46. to #36 -Robert from LA
Arn ,   Yehud   (06.01.10)
You write that Israel has lost the support of the civilized world. One day you will open your eyes and see that Israel, on this microscopic strip of land and facing the determined enmity of 22 Arab and Muslim states, all armed to the teeth, is in the vanguard of those protecting the civilization you talk about.
47. support humanitarian aid
nyentrik ,   bangkok thailand   (06.01.10)
we condemn israel navy brutality against humanitarian activist , we as part of international community support humanitarian aid to gaza. what IDF and israel navy have done are embarrassing act and unmoral at all. The UN must impose a punishment for gross human rights violations by Israel as found by goldstone's report.
48. No, that's not it
Patrick ,   Montreal Canada   (06.01.10)
No, Israel is a terrorist nation with a strong racist/nationalist movement. Israeli armed forces are terrorist goons who kill the innocent, sometimes with phosphorous bombs, often with cluster munitions. There are two sides here, an evil Israel and the rest of the world. It's that simple.
49. #17
aramkr ,   new york   (06.01.10)
Did you use the word "credible" and "UN" in the same sentence?
50. #34 Yes, Obama gave Muslims the green light
Sue ,   Los Angeles   (06.01.10)
I agree with your statement that "The open war on Israel" started with Obama's election. Some of us warned our Jewish brothers and sisters about Obama in 2007 and 2008. Most did not believe us, that a man with a Muslim father and Marxist friends would be bad for Israel. Do they now have the courage to say they made a grave error by voting for this man? And will they now stand with Israel in her hour of need?
51. Proof is in the film
John A ,   Orange, CA USA   (06.01.10)
Dr. Mordechai Keder is correct. Had the IDF sought to destroy or kill the persons on board they could have sent team to arm the underside of the craft or even began shooting while dropping from the helicoptor. But no, even when landing on the deck the courageous IDF soldiers, whose goal was to stop the ship from crossing the pre-announced blockade, did not fire on the protestors although they were attacked. I am an American who will always stand with Israel no matter who comes against her - even the current resident of the White House who anti-Israel and pro-muslim. Let no one forget what people of what religion danced jubilantly in the streets on 9/11 - not Israeli's - the Palestineans and their brother muslims worldwide were joyous. Never forget Israel, never forget 9/11. EVER.
52. Fabricated
bob ,   LA   (06.01.10)
its way fabricated, it has nothing to do with the islamists and the west, its as simple as Israel occupies the land and continue to force a blockade over 1.5 million pals, surprisingly acting like a (terror state)
53. You are the racist
Rare democratic Jew ,   IL   (06.01.10)
Racists have alays found good excuses for stealing, raping and killing: it was in the name of Jesus, white supremacy, and now "democracy". Democracy means people have the right to move, live and buy even if they do not share your race or opinion. Hanas knows that. Bar Ilan staff do not. You are not any better
54. The absurd angst of......
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (06.01.10)
a kiwi posting the same message twice...and I don't mean Jafa
55. The brutal attack on Israeli navy
laurence ,   Givatayim   (06.01.10)
IDF videos show of a brutal attack on Israeli Navy commandoes as they descended on one of the ships after the crew and passengers refused requests to change course and sail to Ashdod instead of Hamas. Under the Oslo Accords and agreements with the Palestinian Authority, Israel maintains sovereignty over the international waters off the Gaza coast. "Direct (aid) delivery by sea is neither appropriate nor responsible under the circumstances," Hamas has smuggled hundreds of tons of explosives, arms and ammunition, as well as terrorists, by land and sea, and Israel has the right to prevent further smuggling actions. Allowing boats to reach Gaza without inspection would give Hamas free passage to bring in advanced weapons, including long-range missiles. Israel’s U.N. envoy Daniel Cameron stated Jerusalem’s position, backed up by IDF videos from a helicopter hovering over the flotilla, that “this flotilla was anything but a humanitarian mission. What kind of humanitarian activists demand to bypass the United Nations, the Red Cross, and other internationally recognized agencies? What kind of peace activists use knives, clubs and other weapons to attack soldiers who board a ship in accordance with international law?" he said. legal experts have stated that Israel, like any other country, has the right to sail in international waters and stop foreign ships suspected of tying to reach its shores with suspicious cargo or people. Monday’s clash between Muslim extremists and the Israeli Navy occurred on the Mamara, one of the six ships in the flotilla that included Muslim extremists, including northern Israel Islamic Movement leader Raad Salah
56. Ottoman Empire ??
Arzu Özdemir ,   Istanbul% Turkey   (06.01.10)
There is no such thing called Ottoman Empire anymore..
57. yep
Good on you Israel ,   America   (06.01.10)
By doing this you've made it harder to take over the gaza strip and the rest of palestine... be patient, stop being rash, and eventually, all the land will be yours.
58. Great article but #3 wakeup
Rosie   (06.01.10)
I totally agree with the view of Prof. Kedar but #3 you are in LaLa land. Where is the Holocaust survivor? This is what the Arab radicals said. But if there was a holocaust survivor it only shows that they did not learn much from the WWII era. There are holocaust survivors that are Marxist and Communists and much more. I does not prove anything. Wake-up from your dream land.
59. to #56- and there never will be! ;-)
nadav ,   tlv   (06.01.10)
Israel will see to that!
60. For funny guy who claims this war between West and Islam
Batuhan ,   Kuala Lumpur   (06.01.10)
Ron B says " War declared on Israel is a war declared against the Western Civilisation by Islam." Rob either you are living in your dream world or you totally lier. There were plenty of westerner (non-muslim) in the ship too. Which war are you talking about ? If there were a sign of a war.That would be killing and injuring of dozens in the ship
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