1. somebody remind them to pitstop in GREEK Cyprus
2. PRICELESS !!!!
My checkbook is out. It's only a matter of making some phone calls to find out where to send the donation.
Kudos, Israel. You're finally waking up to the reality that the world only respects those who fight back. It's time to return to the good 'ol days, when Israel was not afraid to kick the sh*t out of its enemies. The world will always hate us because we're Jewish. The least (and perhaps most) we can do is to have it respect us.
This is going to get REAL interesting.
3. Freedom boat supporting Kurds
Super idea should be sponsored by YNET as fundraiser. I'd sure donate to a secure site (and honorable) such as YNET..You sure make competitor Haaretz look like a garbage site.
4. Kol ha-kavod! Vid real-time. You'll need night-vision vid
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,
6. Ha ha! This is ridiculous.
Kurds are eagerly waiting for Israelis :) Israeli ignorance is hilarious. Kurds are the most extreme Islamists in Turkey. Most of Erdogan cabinet are Kurdish. Most of Erdogan's voters are Kurds. Kurdish mosques are full of Hamas and Hizballa posters. I really want to watch Israelis meeting the Kurds, that will be a scene to watch :)
As for Armenians in Turkey, they are among the richest group in Turkey, except illegal Armenians in Turkey. There are about 100.000 illegal Armenians from Armenia in Turkey who work as cleaners, and some Armenian women are transfered to Gulf Arab countries by Kurdish mafia to work as sex workers. Are they Israel's new allies? Ha ha!
7. Brave lads !
But the stupid Israeli goverment will not help them one iota....that is for sure.
while the radical islamist erdogan is planning to insert his ass in person, to break the blokade, our leaders are busy in chit chat and do not do a thing.
8. Israel students counter flotilla
I admire the students for their courage as they will NOT be treated as well as the the "peace " activists that came here . Rest assured after being tortured and then killed most likely, there will be no "International outrage" and Ban Ki Moon will not be pushing for any "probe".
9. who do i make my donation to ?
LONG OVERDUE----ENOUGH DOUBLE TALK FROM THAT LUNATIC IN TURKEY
10. always a good idea, to help people, whereever they are...
but - you can send money, and armenians and kurds can buy whatever they wish - or the respective aid organizations at the place.
sad, that your students didnt get the point of the freedom flotilla, which is that regular GOODS, as chocolate, toys and shoes etc, CANT BE BROUGHT INTO GAZA because you hold a blockade on civilians...
thats why they tried to "break" the blockade with a ship...
also, maybe a not a bad idea, before sailing, to ask the armenians and the kurds, if they would take on any aid from you, because they might feel more abused than helped, and still a bit pissed about the massacre on the flotilla - just before you collect "lots of money"...
the mavi marmara (and the whole flotilla) contacted your FM, well ahead of the journey. no response.
maybe you can start with a letter to the turkish FM about your boat ?
11. umm.... errr......
you DO know that kurdistan is landlocked, right...?
12. Spend more time off shores of occupied Cyprus
Show the world Turkey's current crimes just miles from NATO bases in the Mediterranean.
Kurdistan is land-locked, as is Armenia.
Best to start grass roots activism on campuses and at UN meetings to aid both of these groups.
13. A REALLY REALLY BAD IDEA
TURKEY IS NOT ISRAEL, THERE IS A REALLY GOOD CHANCE YOU WILL ALL BE KILLED, ALSO THE JEWS IN TURKEY HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS ALL READY WITHOUT FANNING THE FIRE.
I'm as proud and right wing and angry as they come, but this is just dumb, I hope they don't actually go through with it, anyone egging them on should be ashamed, we will all be at war soon enough, why sacrifice yourselves, for nothing.
Tel Aviv, Israel
14. background to Turkish abuse of Kurds
Just to be clear - you dont have to support the violent PKK to support Kurdish rights. Have a look at this site to undrestand more about Kurdish rights and Turkey's crimes
15. #6 - but you still killed millions of Armenians
whether they are kings in Turkey today or not, the fact remains Turkey committed a genocide that it hasn't come to terms with, and placed laws in the country to jail anyone who even mentions it.
This is the Middle East - Shias side with Sunnis against the West, and Kurds will accept Israeli help against the Turks.
16. #10 - and what did flotilla say to our FM?
It certainly wasn't permission to dock at Ashdod or a process to check cargo.
The flotilla organizers were very, very clear on their intent (and apparently you missed it). Their goal was not to deliver aid but to break the blockade, and all offers by Israel and Egypt were rebuffed.
So other than taunts, what reason can you give for contacting the Israeli FM?
17. If you are determined to make fools of yourselves...
go ahead! But stop comparing your criminal and inhumane treatment of Gaza population, which is under complete embargo that includes food, medicines, construction materials and all other goods and services necessary to live ordinary lives to what the Ottomans did almost 100 years ago in the middle of a world war, is pathetically weak.
BTW, the flotilla that IDF attacked to murder its occupants consisted of several nationalities, and the fact that the "flotilla" that you are talking about is Israeli-ONLY is proof positive how isolated the criminals are. Israel, you are ALONE when it comes to your crimes against humanity.
Wonder where all the billions the UN, USA, EU and other "do-gooders" sent to Gaza went to? Probably went to support the Swiss banking system from collapsing. How considerate of Hamas and Fatha to do this....
As for the Kurdish/Armenian flotilla.... why should your facts get in the way of a "good" story? The press will love it !!!!
19. @ eporue
There are some commodities restricted to ship to Gaza, cement and rubar and metal pipes, and fertilizers.
As for consumer goods, chocks, toys and shoes, you are making it up. Not true. Why you need to tell lies?
As for the flotilla and contacting FM, yea, there was a response, the Israeli government offered transfer of goods through Ashod or an Egypt route. These options were refused by the flotilla leaders, seems that they were not as much into transfer of goods as more into breaking the blockade. Why they carried medicine past expiration date? And why Hamas is refusing to accept the load if there is such a desperate need for the goods in Gaza?
So, that is another lie of yours. Don't tell me you did not know.
20. BAD IDEA
There are many in Turkey who do npot aprove of the AKP and the Erdogan government. They are our friends. Sooner or later they will get back the country.
Such an aid flotilla would be perceived as hostility even to the secular Turks. It is an unnecessary and counter productive act.
Israel's goal must be to mend the gaps or at least in this case to leave the door open for the future to mend the gap.Not to destroy whatever is left from the old tired bridge.
We, the Jews are proud of our scientists, intellectuals accomplishments. We can find a better way to counter this AKP and Erdogan hostility without alienating our Turkish friends.
David Israel ,
New York, USA
21. #11, there must be rivers that reach Lake Van
22. This isn't going to work...
(1) Kurdistan is landlocked, geniuses.
(2) Make sure you actually have Kurdish supporters waiting for you, otherwise you will look like idiots arriving with a ship full of aid and nobody to receive it.
(3) There is no humanitarian crisis in Kurdistan. They are oppressed in the sense that they are denied their national rights, but they are not starving or in need of medical supplies.
You guys clearly haven't thought this through...
23. #6, your ignorance is astounding.
The Mossad has been training Kurds since the 60's. Do some research on the matter.
24. the only hope for you ..
25. Will Israel's "peacemakers" leftwing help
out or is this flotilla a conservative union only?
Sounds good in theory, but too much can go wrong in reality.
27. Don't forget Cyprus
It's more than time to end Turkish occupation of Cyprus.
28. Your ignorance is even more astonishing :)
You say that Mossad has been training the Kurds since 60s. Well, there weren't any teroristic Kurdish movement to train until 80s, so how could Mossad train them in 60s?
Actually, in 80s Israel was busy killing Armenian ASALA terrorists who were training in Lebanon to kill Turks. Israel did a good job there for Turks by killing Armenian terorists and destroying their camps during Lebanon invasion.
Also, have you read your fellow ignorants who claim that Israel has no hand in Kurdish terror, and they accuse Turks as mentally insane to claim Israeli involvement in training Kurdish terrorists. Decide, because your fellows are accusing you also as mentally insane :)
Oh, we all know Israel would do anything for its own interest, just like Israel supported Hamas as a force against PLO nationalist. No ethics on Israeli side, the world is familiar with that.
29. :: Aaron #22, you describe the exact same conditions of Gaza
They are also legally landlocked because of the Israeli blockade.
The food condition in Gaza is the same as in Kurdistan.
If you want to play with words then Israel can demand that occupied Iskenderun port closest to Kurdistan be made part of it, because it is in the disputed territory of Hatay taken from Syria, thus unlocking Kurdistan.
Kurds claim it and the same day the Marmara attacked Israel, the Kurds launched a resistance operation against Turkish occupying forces and managed to eliminate 7 Turkish occupiers, therefore there you go.
Matty Groves ,
30. O.K., but don't forget...
Congo, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Western Sahara, Mali, Chad and dozens of other places that really NEED help.
BTW, I wouldn't cozy up to the Kurds too much; they're far worse fanatics than the Turks.