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Forensics: Turks shot multiple times on Gaza-bound ship
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Published: 29.06.10, 18:15
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1. Surprise Surprise
Ben S ,   Earth   (06.29.10)
Israeli commandos shot to kill. Maybe they should have just ticketed them for trespassing? These vermin terrorist gangs attacked Israeli forces with knives and metal poles. I'm surprised the whole lot were not killed. They got what they deserved. May they rot where they are now.
2. I saw a US guy on BBC World. He was ex Marine.Had jail style
Alan ,   SA   (06.29.10)
tatoos all over his face ,neck and hands .(like tattoos I saw on that US Tough Jail series). He had signatures on his neck and necklace tattooed roung his neck. He was very shifty . Talking about his "brothers" in Gaza. He was on the Blue Marmara Ferry. What sort of people were on that ship
3. Murdered by IHH?
Ed ,   USA   (06.29.10)
The Turkish report raises an interesting possibility: were the dead murdered by the IHH? I can't imagine soldiers shooting multiple times in the melee. One shot would fell an attacker and there were too many attackers to spend time on any one. I don't think we're likely to get a thorough and honest report from a Turkish agency.
4. Was There Any Doubt?
Brandon ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (06.29.10)
Aggressive militias get put down like rabid dogs. Period.
5. It seems they are doing everything now to get more attention
Israel   (06.29.10)
6. Let the courts sort it out
Dina   (06.29.10)
1. We have Mr. Hipocryt Edrogan going on at the US for not taking the terrorists side. 2.We have an "activist" shot with a "hunting gun" - Wonder where that came from? - Definitely not a military weapon....... 3. We have video footage showing exactly who attcked first - how and where. So what the .......?
7. what part of being attacked do you NOT get?
rachel ,   b"bayit lachshav   (06.29.10)
Let's see is it the preplanning to use violence and milk the media? Is it the "adding in" special terrorists to your boat? Is is the gathering attacking materials WELL before the "tearing the ship apart" for friendly "peaceful" reception? It was NOT piracy. (Pirates do NOT enforce blockades nor do they spend ANY time trying to ask for a vessal to respect sea laws.) This was NOT a WAR or an ATTACK by the NAVY....IT WAS DECLARED WAR AND ATTACK BY "free 'aza". Just yesterday HAMAS (you know the peace movement? HAMAS) RAIDED and destroyed a huge amount of aid and school suppies...reason? "It influences youth to TAKE A SOFTER STAND on Israel" NUFF SAID!
8. What about the wounded turks?
Danny   (06.29.10)
because if the soldiers had been just killing bystanders then they would all be dead.
9. Commando's who were stabbed, beaten,and defenestrated
The Dude   (06.29.10)
shot to kill? REALLY!?!?! This makes sense, these guys aren't riot police. They are COMMANDOS! They are trained to effectively take out targets! Bullet to the head generally does that. Multiple shots isn't surprising as well, they were panicked and squeezed multiple times at close range. And here is an interesting point, made especially by the forensic institute... they were all male and age range 19-60 with the majority under 50. For a boat that was carrying women, children, and elderly, this is a VERY narrow range of people to be killed by indiscriminate fire. Had the Commando's been shooting as they landed indiscriminately shouldn't there a be a larger variety from different segments of society and nationalities for that matter. Instead of predominately Turkish Males of fighting age?
10. Your damn right they shot to kill...
Jake ,   USA   (06.29.10)
...that's what you do when an angry mob attacks you with bats & knives.
11. So what? If deadly force justified, you can shoot to kill.
Cynic ,   USA   (06.29.10)
These murderous thugs want sympathy for attacking people with metal rods, clubs and knives?
12. You mean to tell me SOLDIERS "shot to kill"??
Rich in Boston ,   Boston USA   (06.29.10)
Shocking! We dont train and pay them to do that do we?
13. :: So to recap:
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (06.29.10)
1) The IDF have concluded from their own internal report that they were unprepared and ill equipped to handle a dozen or so lightly armed civilians who violently resisted the IDF hijacking of their ship. 2) It has NOT been proven that the 9 civilians killed posed a direct threat to the IDF. 3) The IDF, according to autopsy reports, did not try and disable the 9 civilians they shot dead. This contradicts the guiding 4 principles of the IDF: military necessity, distinction, proportionality and humanity.
14. :: They need to thank Israel for giving them what they wante
Matty Grovesfai ,   Fairport   (06.29.10)
They wanted to be martyrs for Islam and Israel satisfied their wishes. If Israel didn't they would complain too! Jihadi Nuts!
15. Why were the bodies washed?
(06.29.10)
Other than to remove any and all evidence pertaining to whether the victims were laid on the floor and an Israel shot them in the back of the head? The fact the bodies were washed will indicate Israel is hiding something.
16. done that bin there more lies
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17. I absolutely love the fact these 9 terrorists were killed
Yaniv ,   Israel   (06.29.10)
After watching on tape how they yelled death to Israel before they boarded their ships and after watching how they attacked our soldiers, I am deeply saddened that not all of them were killed. Turkey must beg Israel on her knees for forgiveness, other wise end all trade and relations.
18. Guess they shouldn't have violated international law
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (06.29.10)
They violated Rule Number 9. The penalty for violating Rule Number 9 is a 9mm round between the eyes. Don't like that, then don't violate the rules.
19. I don't think soldiers are using a hunting rifle
Yael   (06.29.10)
They had pistols. And anyway, there are much better arms then a hunting rifle to a commando fighter. This man was killed by his own friends, probably by mistake. And that proves there were firearms on the boat.
20. So what, the martyrs got what they wanted
Nick Sporek ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (06.29.10)
boo-hoo!!! Enjoy your virgins and stop complaining.
21. # 3 is right, its was collective suicide to embarass Israel!
Moshe   (06.29.10)
22. Words show bias "civillian"? "lightly"?
Brian ,   Reading, PA   (06.29.10)
Metal rods and knives are "deadly force" in any jurisdiction. It has been shown, widely, that the attack on the Commandos was premeditated; the Turks violence was an ambush, not a resistance. Armed ambushers aren't properly "civilian". Israel's blockade of Gaza is part of an ongoing war started by Israel's many enemies. Running a blockade is not a civilian act, it's a joining of the war. The videos showing deliberate and violent joining of a war by the Turks against the Israelis *is* a casus belli against that ship and all it's occupants. Shot dead is, in fact, disabled. Your blindness to obvious fact is lamentable: Necessity, Distinction, Proportionality, and Humanity were ALL shown. The attackers died, everybody else was basically let go.
23. Turkey's flotilla nine
Simcha ,   So.Cal.USA   (06.29.10)
These were terrorists! The IDF just got to them first. Why are they complaining? They are the ones who say they love death where as we love life. The IHH is a terrorist front and all of those activists have dirty hands. A great favor was done for them, they are now with the 72 virgins they talk so much about.
24. # 3 Ed, USA
Maureen   (06.29.10)
Ed, you took the words right out of my mouth. From the very beginning I made the remark that the people shot on the Mavi Marmara were killed by their very own present on the ship. It was NOT possible for the IDF to have killed those people. The IDF young men were brutally attacked and unable to do much damage. I hate to burst your bubble folks but Ed is right!
25. just 9 ? is the idf running out of amunition?
mike hammer ,   frankfurt gerany   (06.29.10)
they shuld send a flottila to tschetschnia, than they lern about "human" right activism. damn in the army there is one rul in shooting: draw to shoot, shoot to kill.
26. shot to kill? really!?
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (06.30.10)
27. Bullet proof vests earn bullet to the head...
Merlin ,   Boston, Ma   (06.30.10)
See photos of arms taken from the ship. The terrorist were wearing gas masks and bullet proof vests. IDF was acting in self defense. If they hadn't fired, they'd have been beaten and stabbed to death.
28. Well..at least they get their 72 Virginians...
Rich in Boston ,   Boston USA   (06.30.10)
...who wants Virginians anyway? Maybe next time they shouldn't but themselves in harms way
29. 2 he is an ex marine decorated i must add.
the marines   (06.30.10)
thats how marines are, go hyde behind the rock you came from moron.
30. What's the fuss? The Turks pumped some more bullets
Harry Wright ,   UK   (06.30.10)
in the bodies after they received them for propaganda purposes. In any case, if an armed assailant is up close to you and you shoot at him and he is still moving, will you wait to see if he stops moving? Your colleagues nearby will shoot too, so it may not be one person shooting several bullets it may be more than one person shooting simultaneously at the same target. All who were killed were close up or charging. All who were injured had some distance between them and the commandos. Then too, the Turks may have planned to shoot some of their own and pin the blame on Israel. The weapons of the sharp-shooters will be somewhere at the bottom of the sea. They were prepared for martyrdom, but at whose hands? Their own? It's their word against Israel's. The point is, they had no right to attack Israel...and again, why casualties on only one vessel? Let them explain that, not how many bullets were in a bodies. The Turks took possession of the bodies and they pumped, more bullets into them after the fact.
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