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1st Gaza mall attracts thousands
Ali Waked
Published: 20.07.10, 16:24
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61. #59, Salma
Yakov ,   Tel Aviv   (07.21.10)
Congrats, hopefully this is the beginning of a good life, of prosperity and dignity. Do you think that all Israeli's hate Palestinians? Not at all true. Or that Jews hate Arabs and Muslims? Again, not true. Bad people exist on both sides, hate is never erasable, sadly. Many from both sides look to the day where radicals stand alone, where hate has no followers, and we ALL live in peace.
62. #61 Amen .
Salma ,   Palestine   (07.21.10)
63. @Matty Please
Jake ,   Maalot   (07.21.10)
Er Matty you state QOUTE The reality of the matter is that this ‘luxury’ one story Shopping Mall is smaller than my local Department Store UNQUOTE Hummm as we can see in the video and photos and according to the owner: The two-floor compound, each stretching over roughly 9,700 sq. ft Matty I can understand that reading comprehension is not your forte and telling the truth is not part and parcle of those who continue the Pro Palestinian line of falsehood. ie starving in Gaza
64. :: ‘Dude’ - #52
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.21.10)
Why is it nonsense? After Shalit was captured the Rafah crossing was closed down as per this Israel government official’s statement. Are you saying that there is no connection between an Israeli Gov statement saying that it would close the Rafah crossing and the fact that the Rafah crossing was closed? Wrong again, as Israel is still the recognized occupying power in the Palestinian territories including Gaza that means that Egypt has to consult with Israel on all matters regarding Gaza. It also means that if Israel closes the Rafah crossing for ‘security reasons’ the Egyptian Gov has to also comply. You have contradicted yourself as you just claimed that only Egypt and Hamas have control over the Rafah crossing. You didn’t answer these two questions which were stated in the present tense (ie: 2010). Instead you rehash the Zionist lies from five years ago. If there was no blockade why did Israel prevent the Gazans from using their airspace and coastal waters? If Gaza was free of Israeli control during this period why then did the PA have to give Israel 48 hours notice in advance of the crossing of a person in the excepted categories of diplomats, foreign investors, foreign representatives of recognized international organizations and humanitarian cases? Actually Israel monitored the Rafah crossing remotely. Looted maybe but not destroyed as this article points out: http://tiny.cc/z9h5z Why do you repeat such lies when clearly they have been proven false?
65. To 64 "Matty" Part II
The Dude   (07.21.10)
And now just to backtrack to a previous point that you made because of this introduction of facts from Saeb Erakat. "Wrong again, as Israel is still the recognized occupying power in the Palestinian territories including Gaza" Actually you are wrong, yet again. To Quote Saeb Erakat from the same interview immediately after disengagement. "Maybe it was the psychology of the Israelis giving up their control and occupation 38 years later that was difficult for them maybe without it every step of the way." And "We have the airport, the harbor, the movement of goods between - and Gaza -- which is also part of what Dr. Rice did -- also the Sharm el-sheikh understanding being implemented" Even he admitted that there was no 'occupation' after Israel left. Only when it was realized what was the consequences of independence, proclamations of 'driving out the Zionists invaders' turn back into 'Zionists occupiers'. But during that time, even from the palestinians own mouth, there was no occupation of Gaza. So you are wrong, and this is still the case today. You can't have your cake and eat it too. " Actually Israel monitored the Rafah crossing remotely. " WOW! Amazing, the video camera stops all imports/exports. The same way a CCTV camera in London stops someone from stealing your wallet! Wait, it doesn't... this is a petty point. The fact was that this monitoring agreement was a sudden after thought realized that anything could be going through the crossings and it was an attempt to save face. But in the end, if your taking stuff through the crossings, a guy watching it from a video monitor can't do squat about it. "Looted maybe but not destroyed as this article points out" And whats the difference? http://east.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/looting It's still destructive, it didn't matter that they also stole some parts in the process. It still destroyed any chance of using them for economic purposes. So why do you repeat such lies when clearly even Palestinians sources proven you false?
66. To 64 "Matty" Part I
The Dude   (07.21.10)
"Why is it nonsense? After Shalit was captured the Rafah crossing was closed down as per this Israel government official’s statement. Are you saying that there is no connection between an Israeli Gov statement saying that it would close the Rafah crossing and the fact that the Rafah crossing was closed? " This occurred because other outside parties agreed to do this for Israel. Had Hamas or the Egyptians really cared to defy the Zionists they could have easily kept Rafah open. This is because of diplomatics, not because came in and physically closed it. "You have contradicted yourself as you just claimed that only Egypt and Hamas have control over the Rafah crossing. " How have I contradicted myself? Lets read what I wrote together!: {The only reason why this is still being closed is because Egypt has agreed to do this for Israel} Okay now that we have the full sentence, lets break it down so it's nice and clear for a non-native speaker. {The only reason why this [Rafah Crossing] is still being closed...} So Rafah crossing is closed up until now. {...is because Egypt has agreed...} Egypt the agent which controls the Rafah crossing, has made an agreement with... {...to do this for Israel...} ... Israel. So Egypt is the agent controlling the crossing is doing this willingly for Israel. Israel does not control Egypt and if Egypt wanted to, it could open the border on it's own volition. That is why I write 'agreed' NOT 'was forced to'. Egypt has free choice in this matter, and has decided to adhere to Israeli calls to close up the border. They could spit in Israels face and do whatever they want including opening the border 24/7. Unless you are trying to argue that Israel controls Egypt? I hope I have clarified this sentence. "You didn’t answer these two questions which were stated in the present tense (ie: 2010). Instead you rehash the Zionist lies from five years ago. " Actually I did, I answered in the best possible way. You hypothesized that by removing the siege and allowing free import/export there would be less violence. I took a case example directly after disengagement, where there was LITERALLY not a single Israeli in Gaza, no blockade, and import/export. As stated by Saeb Erakat (You know that Zionists propagandists) in an interview with PBS. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec05/gaza_11-28.html " And here I have to state on the record there are three significant things that happened with this border opening. Number one is that for the first time in our history we have a control over who comes and who goes through an international border. And this is very significant thing. This is the difference between Gaza being a big prison, 1.3 million suffocating or Gaza open and people are free to come and go. Secondly, we have the element of the European Union who courageously accepted our invitation to come and help us in upgrading our human and technical know-how in running international borders in accordance with international standards. And for this I believe strategically we should look forward. This is a way where we will see a lot of third party in the future in Palestine and that element of peace, and thirdly and most importantly is the efforts of Dr. Rice. " From his own mouth! He said, as quoted above that there is free access. So looking at the evidence from 5 years ago, using rehashed Zionists lies of Saeb Erakat and looking at the response of qassem barrages. I answer again, NO. It did not make a difference 5 years ago, it will not make a difference today.
67. Big Deal?
John ,   USA   (07.21.10)
Wow! Almost 10,000 square feet! There are houses in my neighborhood that are larger than that. Tens of thousands of shoppers! Wow, in a population of 1.5M, that around 0.5% of the population. Sure sounds like a craze to me. I'm giving up my meager existence in the US and moving to Gaza right now. Any Israelites with me? No?
68. Hey #67!
AJ ,   USA   (07.21.10)
Sounds like you have it good! What are you, a doctor, lawyer, politician, movie star? Well, since you are obviously mentally challenged, the first 3 are out, and you can't be really good as a movie star, you must have inherited your money. A mall, whatever sort it may be, is a mall. A mall has many stores, you know. Let me repeat that so it can sink in. A mall has many stores. Those stores have goods that they sell to the public, and from the pictures, are very well stocked. One only builds a mall when there are buyers, or they lose money. I know that's very profound and new to you. Let me repeat that again: If there are no buyers they lose money so they won't build it. Like they teach in elementary school which you probably dropped out of, a supply will only be created when there is a demand. So supply=demand. Is that basic enough for you?
69. :: ‘Dude’ - #65
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.21.10)
Re: Greenhouses You claimed that the “Green houses that were donated to the Gazans as this time, were destroyed by said Gazans. Because its important to destroy a source of income.” When I pointed out that these greenhouses were ‘looted’ not ‘destroyed’ you changed your stance claiming that ‘looting’ is ‘destructive’. This is still a far cry from the Gazans ‘destroying’ the actual greenhouses as you claimed in the abovementioned quote. You also claim that “It still *destroyed any chance* of using them for economic purposes.” This is obviously bogus as the previously cited news item I supplied you with clearly stated that the greenhouses (which you claimed were ‘destroyed’) where in fact up and running and expected to yield harvests in November. Clearly these greenhouses were being used for economic purposes shortly after the ‘disengagement’. Re: Israel as a occupying power. <"Wrong again, as Israel is still the recognized occupying power in the Palestinian territories including Gaza" Actually you are wrong, yet again> You did comprehend the word ‘still’ in my sentence didn’t you? If Israel is not the occupying power in Gaza why then does it freedom of movement for goods and people to and from Gaza? If Israel was not the occupying power it would not be able to implement the buffer zone inside Gaza and it would not be able to implement the no-fly zone over Gaza. While you may rely on quotes from Saeb Erakat I would point out that the UN considers Israel the occupying power in Gaza. To quote: “Although Israel has contended that it is no longer an occupying power, due to its withdrawal of its forces from within Gaza, it is widely agreed by international law experts that the continued Israeli control of borders, air space, and territorial waters is of a character as to retain Israel status legally as occupying power”. I would also add that AI and ICRC both consider Israel to be the occupying power in Gaza. I would also point out that the Inquiry Commission of the UN Human Rights Commission stated that: “The test for the application of the legal regime of occupation is not whether the Occupying Power fails to exercise effective control over the territory, but whether it has the ability to exercise such control.” With this in mind I would remind you that Israel retained the right to intervene militarily in Gaza even after its disengagement Let me repeat this simple point: the fact that Israel reserves the right to exercise effective control over Gaza continues to make it the occupying power. Did Erakat mention any of these facts during his interview?
70. Hey #68!
John ,   USA   (07.22.10)
Sorry, I didn't quite understand all of your recent post since you used some pretty big words. But thanks for making the point about supply and demand. I must have missed that part in my Economics class while working on my MS degree. If you review my last post, it makes use of a clever technique called sarcasm, something you may want to give a shot when making a point, so your attempts at questioning my intelligence don't appear so childish and obvious. It looks like you bought this piece of Israeli propaganda hook, line and sinker. Do you really think that this tiny speck of a mall will remedy the humanitarian crisis that is being inflicted on the residents of Gaza? If so, please let me know when you are moving there. I'm sure the bonanza of wondrous products such as clothing, shampoo and perfume will keep you happy for years to come.
71. @ Someguy, Israel
Ivan Yeo ,   Singapore   (07.23.10)
wOW! I didn't know that one small shopping mall in Gaza and one Olympic-size swimming pool there proves that there isn't a humanitarian crisis in Gaza and a lack of building materials there! Have it ever occurred in your ignorant brain that those building materials that make up this mall comes from the smuggling tunnels along the Gaza-Egypt border??
72. Gaza Mall
donna ,   los angeles, ca   (07.31.10)
What is wrong with you people? This is the first mall ever built in Gaza. The people go there for the air conditioning. I'm Jewish through and through and offended by these idiotic comments. You think people in Gaza aren't poor? Have some humanitarian dignity.
73. thank you terry!
teyd ,   Cleveland, OH, USA   (06.30.11)
doesn't shock me in the least, that is sad to hear. Thanks for the post
74. Arabs and takiyya
avi ,   istanbul, turkey   (07.03.11)
Has anyone heard the concept takiyya before? This certainly qualifies for that. There is nothing more to say about it.
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