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The good life in Gaza
Jacob Shrybman
Published: 20.07.10, 23:56
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31. #4 here are the photos
SNS   (07.21.10)
#4 here is the link to the original article yesterday the described the mall: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3922441,00.html
32. 1.5million people and 1 mall vs Israel and 100 malls.
lara ,   Australia   (07.21.10)
The good life in Gaza... just because they have a mall? Any normal person would be glad to see these people slowly progressing and recovering from the economic hole they've been put in. They have every right to live normal lives and to enjoy the same little luxuries that so many people take for granted.
33. To #20: How True!
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.21.10)
34. #30 et al. No humanitarian crisis?! You try living there
Just a jew ,   amsterdam   (07.21.10)
Roi writes, "There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza." Okay, if you say so. What should one call a situation where 80% of the people subsist on $2 a day? What word should we use for a place where unemployment is 45%. What should we call a situation where half of the children suffer from anaemia, 10% of young children suffer from malnutrition and about half risk suffering from food insecurity? I'd love to know what you call that Roi and the rest of you, "There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza" people. Shame shame shame on all of you. You besmirch the reputation of all that is good and just in Judaism! Rabbi Hillel must be crying in his grave.
35. Article in poor taste. 'let them eat cake'
Dismayer ,   Australia   (07.21.10)
You DO realise this is just a propaganda piece, right? Critical thinking people, it's a human asset. Make use of it.
36. For #3 & #17
Johnny ,   Nazareth   (07.21.10)
#3 what Talmud have to do with the Quran? The musilms believe that the quraan is the direct word of Allah. The Talmud was written by rabbis, not by God. #17 don't try to use Taqqiya with me or play the old usual games that muslims play! I cook people like you at breakfast. Just Stop lying to protect your religion.
37. :: Gaza Mall vs Existing Facts
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.21.10)
I love the way that Ynuts are jumping up and down waving their fingers at this new Shopping Mall in Gaza as if this sudden and amazing revelation somehow proves that the beleaguered people of Gaza are now living the high life and the Israeli occupational control of the main border crossings for cargo, Gaza buffer zone, coastal waters and airspace are all now somehow insignificant. Well just to remind the Ynuts let me state the following facts which a small shopping mall will not change: 1) 65-70% of the Gaza population are living below the poverty line. 2) 40% of the Gaza population are unemployed. 3) Israel controls all main border crossings for cargo along the Gaza border. 4) Israel controls Gaza’s airspace and coastal waters. 5) Israel controls 30% of Gaza’s arable land. 6) Israel severely restricts the export of commercial goods (eg: flowers, fruit) out of Gaza. Collectively these simple facts demonstrate that Israel maintains a stranglehold over the people of Gaza and the advent of a new shopping mall does not change this fact. I dare any Ynut to prove these facts wrong.
38. To #32
Johnny ,   Nazareth   (07.21.10)
1.5 million people without shelter in Haiti! Millions are starving in Haiti, millions are starving in Darfur, and you hypocrite westerners are concerned about the filthy ugly Hamas who want to destroy you! you don't care about the palestinians , the arabs themselves don't care about the palestinianas. You care about hating and criticizing Israel, and we all know it. Shame,shame,shame and shame again on you to leave alone these people who really need help, who are dying from famine and are being massacred. You know, people like you will be the first to regret their actions for supporting these filthy people , just wait that day is near. For muslims you are also an infidel, and infidels must be converted or killed. Continue supporting the ugliness and the evil of this world. Do you think that Hamas is different from Al-Qaeda or these are different from you muslim neighbor ? They all have the same "manual" , and this manual is called the quran. Al-Qaeda are good muslims but are bad filthy people...Don't be naive and believe these muslims who tell you about that verse in the quraan which says : if you kill one man, you have killed all mankind. This verse is applied just for the muslims, that means that if a muslim kills a muslim, and not for killing non muslims, cause it's not a sin in Islam to kill non muslims... Open your mind, your eyes and ears and see the truth.
39. Wow, there's a mall in Gaza
(07.21.10)
Not even Israel has so many malls.
40. To #37
Johnny ,   Nazareth   (07.21.10)
From where did you get these "facts" ? I bet your liberal self hating media supported by the saudi money continually brain wash people like you! Have you ever been there? have you ever been to the middle east ? you people didn't know where Iraq was on the map! I know you hate to hear about Gaza living good, because this will eliminate every attempt of yours to provoke hate against Israel, so better stick with the media lies, right?
41. Johnny , Lara is a Palestinian Christian
Salma ,   Palestine   (07.21.10)
Although she is in Australia, thousands of miles away from us, not forgotten her homeland and her people. Johnny, you need a lot to learn, from Lara.
42. :: Now U admit, only problem Gazans have is not enough malls
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.21.10)
to spent their easy earned billions of dollars and euros donated by a naive world. This means that all the fuss you made before was all fake. Eat your heart out, impersonator!
43. :: So all the flotillas nonsense was about stocking up mall
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.21.10)
stores. It is good to know. Eat your heart out impersonator!
44. To #41
Johnny ,   Nazareth   (07.21.10)
so what if she's christian? there are millions of christians by name, who don't know even why they are called christians!! I don't care what is her religion, I care about the facts. I'm a christian born in Nazareth, my grandfather during the 30's was shot two times by muslims because he was a christian, do you want me to tell you how muslims in Nazareth love the christians ? they love us so much that when the pope came to Nazareth few months ago, a group of muslims wanted to kill him. These are not my people and they will never be! Palestine have never existed , there was no government, no borders nothing.... and if a christian talks like Lara, well for me he's not a christian, End of discussion
45. #37, er no
Danny   (07.21.10)
1) 65-70% of Gaza are poor relative to WESTERN standards, relative to other people in the Middle East they are not. Just look to Syria and see that 12% of them are "below the poverty line" or in Iran is nearly 20%. 2) And the unemployment rate is also not a million miles away from other countries in the region - it is 12% in Turkey and Iran. 3) Israel DOESN'T control the border crossing with Egypt as has been repeated shown when Egypt opened their borders. It does control the border with Israel just like Lebanon controls the border with Israel. 4) So what? How many flights were coming into Gaza before? 5) Israel currently occupies exactly 0mm of Gaza which means it controls exactly 0% of Gaza and 0 is not the same as 30. 6) Israel severely restricts the export of goods out of Gaza into Israel. Just like Syria and Lebanon severely control the export of Israeli commercial goods to Syria and Lebanon. And if you can't get the basic facts right then why would your argument be correct?
46. :: Danny - #45 - You score zero
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.21.10)
<1) 65-70% of Gaza are poor relative to WESTERN standards, relative to other people in the Middle East they are not.> Actually this estimate of the percentage of the population falling below the poverty line is based on surveys of local sub-groups with the results weighted by the number of people in each group. Ie: it is not based on ‘western standards’ because estimates of the poverty line vary across the globe. Either way you have not disproved this point. <2) And the unemployment rate is also not a million miles away from other countries in the region - it is 12% in Turkey and Iran.> Again you have not disproved this point, all you have done is tried to draw comparisons. <3) Israel DOESN'T control the border crossing with Egypt as has been repeated shown when Egypt opened their borders.> I clearly stated *cargo* crossings, Rafah is not a cargo crossing. Again you have not disproved this point. <4) So what? How many flights were coming into Gaza before?> Again you have not disproved this point in fact you didn’t even try. <5) Israel currently occupies exactly 0mm of Gaza which means it controls exactly 0% of Gaza and 0 is not the same as 30.> I never said ‘occupies’ I clearly said ‘controls’. Israel controls the military buffer zone inside Gaza, if you don’t know this fact you seriously don’t know anything about Gaza. <6) Israel severely restricts the export of goods out of Gaza into Israel. Just like Syria and Lebanon severely control the export of Israeli commercial goods to Syria and Lebanon> Here you don’t try to disprove this point instead you actually agree with it. Is this the best you and other Ynuts can do?
47. :: #42 - #43
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.21.10)
“I suggest that we (Genuine Tosefta & Birdi) band together and flood the commentary sections under their names and you will see how many will vanish. My guess is most of them” - Genuine Tosefta (01.18.10) I must say it is quite flattering that you go to all this trouble.
48. First, the standard of life in Gaza is higher than in Egypt
Frank ,   USA   (07.21.10)
but...who cares? Especially when the primary agenda is to dump more garbage on Israel?
49. The essence of the Arab strategy is to blame
Dan ,   USA   (07.21.10)
the Jews (Zionists) regardless what the Jews do or don't do,,,,
50. good life
debbie ,   israel   (07.21.10)
TO JUSTICE, The Palestinians have seen nothing of urban development in their lives? And exactly why is that? Ever stop to ask yourself why? Must Israel be blamed also for this? The Palis have received millions upon millions of dollars from the int'l community. Israel is not to blame that their corrupt "leaders" stole it for themselves, and padded their own bank accounts. There is absolutely no reason for urban development to be stalled. Israel left a fantastic infrastructure when they pulled out of Gaza. What happened to it? HAMAS and residents razed it to the ground. So if they aren't advancing, they have only themselves and their elected leaders to blame. Well, they could protest, but then they'd get their heads cut off. Just check out any Israeli mall on any Friday or Saturday, and you'll see loads of well dressed Israeli Arabs, buying up a storm.
51. Let The Press In
Gadea ,   NYC USA   (07.21.10)
Why not let in the International Press, BBC, CNN, MSNBC, FOXNEWS, Xinhua, EL Pais, The Guardian, The Independent UK, and let the journalist take all the pictures and reports they want.
52. :: #7 for once in your life you are right
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.22.10)
Now you too realize that this massacre story was a huge hoax and you fell for it like many others.
53. :: Fiction and Gaza
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.22.10)
It turns out that Gazans and their gullible supporters are acting in a movie. There is no hunger or lack of construction materials but luxury malls, movie studios Gazawood and a future Disneyland. Eat your heart out impersonator!
54. :: You see Danny I know a lot about zeros, I am one myself
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.22.10)
Eat your heart out, impersonator!
55. # 47
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.22.10)
Say that I am impersonating you one more time & I will get you kicked off here. I have never impersonated you nor anyone on this forum.NEVER. You didnt make any headway slandering Sarah B so you start with me. DONT DO IT MATTY.JUST BACK OFF.
56. 32"Lara
funkyyaya ,   london/uk   (07.22.10)
progressing and recovering from the economic hole they've been put in.......sorry but this hole just like the west bank was a self creation.....the israelis left state of the art hot houses...and what did the arabs do with thease hot houses Lara.....yes you got it they distroyed them.
57. Gaza Mall
Hazel Seager ,   London   (07.22.10)
Send your article to the British Trade Unions, MPs in London - if it comes from you they might, well, maybe - read it.
58. :: Birdi - #55
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.22.10)
Where did I say that you were impersonating me or the other Ynuts here? I merely quoted what ‘Genuine Tosefta’ stated to you before and added context to the word “we”. I never said you did however I would remind you of what was later said between you and ‘Genuine Tosefta’, to quote: "just to let you know that it is possible to do this (impersonating others on mass) without complaining to Ynet, and for you to think about it" - Genuine Tosefta (01.19.10) "I hear ya. You provide, I'll assist. Am Israel Chai. - Birdi (01.20.10) Did you not discuss with ‘Genuine Tosefta’ a plan to impersonate posters here on these Talkbacks? For example the fake posts here at #52-#54. Birdi you can’t deny that these quotes are untrue as I am taking these from an existing Ynet TalkBack.
59. # 58
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.22.10)
Matty the more you try to twist words the more foolish you sound. You know exactly what "I suggest we (Genuine Tosefta & Birdi) band together & flood the commentary sections UNDER THEIR NAMES...." means. You are insinuating that I am impersonating posters here. No I did not discuss anything about impersonating posters with Genuine T. THAT WAS NOT ME & if you had any brains in your head you would realize that I was impersonated ASWELL.So in plain English, I do deny that these quotes are mine. I find the impersonating of others here a cheap shot & am totally against it. You have a problem? address it to Genuine Tosefta, not me. Now kindly back off me.
60. # 58
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.22.10)
Matty, as an after thought; I am not American, have you ever read me writing, "I hear ya?" I dont talk like that nor do I speak like that. If you are not implying that I impersonate posters then pray tell me why you said what you did????? For the simple reason to cause a bad atmosphere on this forum & dump me in the middle.Shame on you.Have your opinions but quit playing one poster against the other & have some human decency.
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