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IDF: We don't have to promise not to hurt civilians
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 21.07.10, 23:58
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1. Absurd!
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.22.10)
Has any official body convened to investigate civilian deaths in Afghanistan due to indiscriminate bombing? What is it, about 18,000 dead? How about Iraq -- approaching 25,000 civilian deaths due to bombing, with no end in sight. The numbers from South Waziristan are likely to be easily as high. Israel conducts a very careful operation in Gaza and is held to account for 1,300 deaths, of which 80% were enemy combatants. Time for Israel to tell the world to stuff it.
2. good for the IDF
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (07.22.10)
what do we have to do to please the world, fight a war with a dinner suit, tie and white gloves? General George Patton believed in killing the enemy. He won the war. Chamberlain was a gentleman; he caused the war! Let us killing our enemy before they even raise a gun against us and the hell with the world (who did nothing to stop Nazi atrocities on Jews)! We don't need another goody-goody Chamberlain telling us how to fight a war. Let them go to hell!!
3. The most moral army in the world
(07.22.10)
that's NOT FUNNY hameed aboughaze, iranian
4. Protect the &@$!! Chickens!!!
iObserver and News ,   US/Israel   (07.22.10)
What the hell is this committee doing! The IDF should collectively decide that they will Take No Further Military Actions until this ABSURD ban and changes are lifted!!! To he'll with these psycho lefties!! Let's see how they respond to co Stanton terror attacks on them and muzzles flying up their @$$es!!! IDF MUST RFUSE to follow these changes!!! War is war damn it! People die! If the psycho Hamas-Hezbolla-PA idiots STOP murdering Israelis, then they WONT have any chicken casualties!!! This is INSANE!!!! UN: GO TO HELL!!!!!
5. Embed journalists like the US does in Iraq and Afganistan
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (07.22.10)
"The most moral army in the world" should not be afraid of cameras and journalist.
6. ISRAEL'S NEW WAR RESTRICTIONS
GAYEK O. ,   USA   (07.22.10)
ISRAEL YOU HAVE BECOME THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD! YOU ARE IDIOTS...........
7. Hamas needs to promise not to...
Jethro ,   Marquette, MI   (07.22.10)
Hamas needs to promise not to aim rockets at Israeli Civilians. Hamas needs to promise not to shoot rockets at Israel then hide behind babys, hospitals and schools. Hamas is a joke.
8. to Larry
James Murray ,   Murfreesboro,Tn, USA   (07.22.10)
Hitler? Dead! Himmler? Dead! Goering? Dead! It was the allied forces who put a stop to the Holocaust, mister! And don't you forget it!
9. is it not eenough?
James Murray ,   Murfreesboro, TN, US   (07.22.10)
"Is it not enough that we have dozens of different aspects to take into account in the battlefield, now we have to calculate the damage each weapon will cause?" Yes! If you are not willing to calculate the damage each weapon will cause and weigh that against the risk to your personnel, then you are either too lazy or too reckless or too immature to hold a command in a respectable military. . Recommend that you retire.
10. Ridiculous!!
Malone ,   Hfx   (07.22.10)
It's impossible to engage in combat having to worry if some civvies get killed,especially when the enemy hides among them..or they act as human shields knowing that Israel will try not to hurt them. To hell with all the lefty appeasers. To hell with world opinion. To hell with Obama. Bring on Lieberman!!
11. RE: Absurd!
Janine ,   Australia   (07.22.10)
Just because the USA actions in Afghanistan ( and Iraq) haven't been investigated does not mean that they shouldn't be - or that by extension they are wise or legal. The UK is only now investigating its involvement in Iraq and coming to the conclusion its rationalle for going to war ( and by extension then its actions there) were illegal. Don't ever judge yourself by others poor standards- strive to be better.
12. The Object of War
Dan ,   Titusville, FL   (07.22.10)
The object of any war is to overwhelm the enemy that attacked you and destroy their ability to fight. They lose their resources, infrastructure, military, land, economy and their civilians if the "bold and brave" enemy mindlessly screaming Allahu Akbar hides behind women and children. The quicker the above resources are eliminated the quicker the war end and peace be restored. Fighting a politically correct war results in endless fighting needless deaths and the draining of everyones economy, a lesson the United States is loathe to learn in Afghanistan. We go to war after having been seriously provoked to destroy our enemies and seize their land.
13. IDF has ALL the rights to use all the possibilities to
Asher ,   NY,USA   (07.22.10)
defend Israel. If Israel looses it will be once and forever and Plastine,Hezbollah,Hamas all are there to make sure to win that only once war. Do not listen to the world because World failed Israel 60 years ago big time. That's the world that has to answer Israel many many years to come. Go and investigate Goldstone himself and find out where really he is coming from and who gave him this mission and who is behind all of this. "Who ever is scared let him go back and not to get involved." Israel goes to war to defend herself and her enemies go to war to finish her off. They are very upset and angry why Israel won the war so miraculously and can't believe they didn't had more casualties than Lebanon war. That's why they are so upset and angry and if God forbid that was opposite this Mr. Goldstone was not even existed at the first place. Those who are degrading soldiers of Israel Army Must Resign. Long Live IDF and shame be upon the enemies of Israel.
14. the next war
michael Pielet ,   boca raton, usa   (07.22.10)
Thank g-d my children will not be fighting in the IDF protecting Israel during the next war. Goldstone and the haters of Israel have won. Our soldiers lives are now forfeit. This s disgraceful.
15. #3 you are an impostor
(07.22.10)
please do not talk in my name and do not post stupid talkbacks in my name. also, have the decency to write your own name if you think the way you do. i think differently. i believe israel had 100% right to fight the enemy the way other armies fight it. israel is right. hameed aboughaze, iranian
16. Insanity all over
Israeli 2   (07.22.10)
Talkbackers 1-4: Good for you!!
17. I'm with the troops - this is no way to fight a war
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (07.22.10)
Apparently Israel - and only Israel - is expected to fight an error-free, damage free war. No civilians killed or wounded, no property damage, no infrastructure touched, and heaven help you if any harm comes to a journalist or foreigner present in that war zone. A war of self-defense cannot be fought against an insurgency under civilian cover with such constraints. It's no wonder the "Only Israel" video has struck such a chord, as no one else is held to such a standard. The IDF should not be validating the world's hypocrisy.
18. war kills people and destroys property: This is ...
bernard ross ,   st anns bay jamaica   (07.22.10)
what the lawyers need to present. If one IDF soldier dies as a result of absurd limitations then the lawyers should be tried for murder.
19. casualties--kol hakavod letzahal
a ash ,   nyc ny.   (07.22.10)
when in battle we face an emeny that is holed up in churches,mosques, hospitals.day care centers, schools, and its done on purpose --war is war our enemy hates their own kind.
20. # 2 ... fight a war with a dinner suit,...
split ,   USA   (07.22.10)
It wasn't a war it was a collective punishment of unarmed civilians and an intentional destruction of their infrastructure just because they had the hutzpa to vote for Hamas.
21. 1,300 deaths,... of which 80% were enemy combatants.
split ,   US   (07.22.10)
Counting 400 children among the casulties too ??? ,...
22. A thinline between when to use soldiers or bombs
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (07.22.10)
It will always be safer for an army to use bombs to clear an area than soldiers but different in civilian death could be great. This argument come down to the risk an army is willing to take verse the number of civilian deaths it will cost.
23. "we were moral in the previous operation"?!?
greta   (07.22.10)
is that some sort of sick joke?
24. Lebanese army leveled AL-bared refugee camp
Mamud ,   Lebanon   (07.22.10)
and achieved their target by eliminating Fateh - al islam with less than 20 civilians killed after 6 mnth war. The Israeli army killed thousands without achieving any target in less than 20 days. the reason is the LA went after the terrorists, the IDF tried to give a lesson to hamas instead of destroying it by killing this number of civilians. This is an attitude in this army, they'd rather counting the number that they killed but not the target that they achieved.
25. EXCESSIVE MILITARY OPERATION IS RECOMMENDED
Benjamin ,   singapore   (07.22.10)
IDF , WE JOIN THE FORCE WIPING OUT THE TERRORIST NETWORK. ISLAMIST OF( THE HIJACKED iSLAM ) TERRORIST ARE SUCH A CANCER ON EARTH. THE IDF ONLY USE MILITARY FORCE UNLESS IT WARRANTS. iN THIS CASE IDF TOOK ABSOLUTE CORRECT MEASURE APPROPRIEATE IN THE BATTLE FIELD. THE UN MAY SHUT THEIR "F' UP AND STOP TRUMPING UP ON EXCESSIVE MILITARY INVESTIGATIONS -IT IS UNNECESSARY OVER THE IDF. TO THE IDF : YOU ARE THE BEST MILITARY - WE OWE IT TO THE IDF.THE IDF OBSERVE THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT IN BATTLES THAT ARE ABSOLUTE NECESSARY. THE UN SHOULD STOP ' THE COCKTAIL OF UNFOUNDED ACCUSATION "ON THE IDF. THE UN SHOULD START LOOKING AT TURKEY. IRAQ,IRAN, KUWAIT, RUSSIA, AFRICA.....OPEN SECRET- WE ALL CAN SEE THE DRAMA THERE! IN FUTURE PLEASE BOMB- GOLDSTONE- WITH HIS REPORT AND ALL THE ANTI- ISRAELI ANIMALS TOGETHER !
26. LFIS Lawyers for Israeli Soldiers FunD
Simcha ,   NY USA   (07.22.10)
Please contribute generously to the LFIS fund which will enable each combatant Israeli soldier to have his lawyer at his side in battle to deal with all these nice little legal issues that may arise.
27. You can't make an omelette
Jim S. ,   Tucson, USA   (07.22.10)
without breaking a few eggs. Let the military fight the war, fight to win, and let the eggshells fall where they may.
28. The justice of Goldstone towards Israel
J.K.   (07.22.10)
is as corrupt as Israel's justice towards religious Jews. Mida keneged mida.
29. Fairness.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (07.22.10)
No military in the history of warfare has tried harder, when obliged to fight, to protect non combatants than the Israel Defense Forces. It is therefore a bitter irony, fraught with consequences for the legitimacy of international law, that no country’s military, judiciary, and democracy have been the target of greater vilification for alleged human rights violations, war crimes, and crimes against humanity than Israel’s. More about the conclusions of Cast Lead at : http://xrl.us/bgtkqv
30. The law of war.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (07.22.10)
It should be clear and beyond doubt : although the IDF is the most moral army in the world, our main concerne should be, first of all, to keep our children alive. Any other consideration is of minor importance. As to the right of our country to defend itself : http://xrl.us/bhnp2m
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