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The war on de-legitimization
Gerald M. Steinberg
Published: 12.08.10, 18:29
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1. good idea, let's start
(08.12.10)
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2. de-legitimization
Charles ,   Los Angeles   (08.12.10)
As long as you enjoy believing the world is anti-Semitic you are in a hopeless position.
3. Delegitimization
Tel Avivoid ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (08.12.10)
You know what delegitimizes Israel in the eyes of the world? Groups like NGO Monitor that jump down the throat of anyone who says a single word against Israel. Steinberg wants the world to love Israel? Then he must condemn the violent settlers who become the face of Israel to the world, rather than defending government funding of the Yeshivahs that spawn them. He needs to stop obsessing over how many reports HRW writes on Israel, and rather address the content of those reports. He needs to learn to separate Anti-Israel and Anti-Semitic sentiment, and fight enemies by defeating their positions rather than screaming about how they are being mean old racists. Maybe then, NGO Monitor will be something other than a joke.
4. #2 "Charles"
E ,   Al khobar   (08.12.10)
Why do you people write such obvious and abnoxious garbage? You must be really unhappy with your lives to try to bring everybody else down to your stinkhole level.
5. Israel's acts and policies are its own de-legimization
Marcos ,   Massachusetts, USA   (08.12.10)
As a Jew who used to be proud of Israel I must ask you, Gerald: are you so blind that you cannot see that Israel’s own acts and policies in the West and Gaza, its unequal treatment (to make an understatement) of non-Jewish Israelis, its religious discrimination against non-orthodox Jews constitute, among other things, Israel’s own de-legitimization?
6. Fighting irrational anti-Semitism
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.12.10)
Is like bailing the Titanic with a teaspoon.
7. Fight fire with fire
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (08.12.10)
Start new NGOs and bring Palestinian leaders up on war crimes charges. File charges in the U.S. against any NGO that has given money or moral support to any group that has supported or carried out war crimes against Israel - this could mean lawsuits against the Ford Foundation, New Israel Fund and others for providing money to support groups under a terrorist umbrella. Expose the ISM - find out where all its money is coming from and attack it at the source. Take alleged "human rights" group to court to stop their funding. Human rights is supposed to be universal, yet almost all of these groups have turned bogus - either ignoring human rights crimes by Palestinians, or ignoring human rights violations carried out against Israelis and Jews around the world (where terrorists have attacked Jews with impunity). Bring charges and lawsuits against European governments who released Palestinian and other terrorists in the 70s and 80s. Have the politicians charged. Sue them for damages in cases where the terrorists went back and carried out more murders. Get nasty. Our enemies certainly are.
8. #2- ofcourse the world just love jews
mira ,   israel   (08.12.10)
why else do you think 6 million jews been murdered in europe before israel was even created? pure love. we know all about your mindset and your evil.
9. Sue them for libel
Danny   (08.12.10)
these people have no shame but do care about their pockets.
10. #7 for FM :)
Daniel   (08.12.10)
- or create a new office for you to exactly what you describe
11.  Prof. Gerald Steinberg
David ,   USA /ISRAEL /EGYPT   (08.12.10)
You can start with your Supreme Court, most of your University professors and some of your Knesset members and when your basement is clean then you can take on Europe
12. Left funding source are the delegitimizers
Lemmings Hotline ,   sd usa   (08.12.10)
Major funders of the left including president Shimon Perez get theiir funding from sources who would "flower power" us into the ground
13. With all the internal problems, Marcos,
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (08.12.10)
which Israel experiences, I notice that Israeli Arabs still want to keep their Israeli citizenships because life in Arab countries for everybody but the rich lacks the freedoms and social supports that that they possess in Israel.
14. You make a great deal of sense, Brian,
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (08.12.10)
and I always make it a point to read your comments. I second the motion! Have you considered a political career?
15. notonly aimed at israel but at western civilisation
avrom ,   bet shemesh   (08.12.10)
the anti israel delegitimisers are not just anti semitic it is much worse than that these left winger demonise ,delegitimise deny .double stantard and utilise disinformation against western civilisationand they ally themselves with islamists and invert morality and the justice system and the economic system in the west thus the credit crunch leading to financial meltdown was caused by left wingers who let the bank lend with sub prime mortgages and sub prime credit cards and securitised this sub prime debt as AAA this fantasy money led to a fantasy boom that caused the credit crunch and will cause financial meltdown and anarchy .these left wingers are nothing but anachists The world is devolving into two areas one of law and order as exhibited by Israel and the rest which is devolving into anarchy such as Gaza Iran PAKISTAN AND Eurabia
16. First, look at Peres, he supports
Friedman ,   Princeton, NJ, USA   (08.12.10)
NIF, his friends support NIF. All newspapers are financed by NIF, haaretz, jpost, etc. Beilin gives a lecture in Princeton - who needs Arafat? Barak comes to US and says: give me some money and I 'll get rid of Bibi for you and be you beloved PM. Get rid of tricksters, jokers, etc!
17. Jewish criminal behavior de-legitimizes Israel
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (08.12.10)
2006 bombing of Lebanon for 32 days killing 1200 civilians. 2009 bombing of Gaza for 21 days killing 1400. 2010 killing of 9 protesters on flotilla. Not a week goes by without the killing of an Arab. But no Jewish settlers are allowed to do what they want, shoot, burn, harass natives, the IDF is complicit. Imagine 3000 dead Jews instead of dead Arabs, it is a crime!
18. Our first targets should be Israeli leftist collaborators.
Chaim ,   Israel   (08.12.10)
Whenever one looks at the vicious racist delegitimization campaign against Israel, names of collaborating Israeli leftists, both individuals and organizations, keep coming up again and again. Names such as the New Israel Fund, Peace Now, Machsom Watch etc. Loathesome organizations, such as these, constantly fund and strengthen Israel's enemies. Our first targets should be Israeli leftist collaborators, who aid and abet our enemies. Israel needs to use all available legal sanctions against such organizations and draft new laws as required to stop and punish them.
19. # 7 is absolutely right I would just add..
carlos ,   San Diego U.S.A.   (08.12.10)
A Hasbara campaign 1) describing double standard from the U.N. and the EU, by not doing or saying anything against Middle Eastern tyrants and kassam rockets. 2) Demand that journalist provide the context, history and facts for all news not just twisted info from ignoramuses: 3) Remind people about anjtisemite irrational attitudes: hatemongering in Europe against Jews and the fact that Jews did not even complained after millions were killed through history. 3) FACTS: Remind how the PA and Arabs never recognizesd Israel. Always attacked her to destroy her. Arabs expelled Jews in 1948 and do not tolerate Jews in their land. Tell the facts about criminal terrorists, suicide bombers, and antisemitic and antichristian Arab propaganda. 4) Talk about principles Democracy vs. dictatorships, Liberty vs. tyrany, Modernity vs. Barbarism
20. IT IS ABOUT TIME YOU DID SOMETHING
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (08.12.10)
You already have given these guys basically a 20 year head start. Back in the mid 1990's BibI, WROTE A BOOK ISRAEL: A PLACE AMONG THE NATIONS. But besides that a few websites like Facts & Myths and few others, there has been no real coordinated effort to retort the constant distortions, Lies through omissions, out of context views put out by the Muslim Media. Arab/Muslim spoke persons literally go to class and rehearse talking points, similar to the Democratic and Republican talking points memo's put out daily here in the U.S.., so they control the message. A great example was maybe 5 years ago, Israel was releasing Palestinian prisoner's as a sign of "good faith". The day before the release the Palestinian prisoner's were told the media would be waiting as they left the prisons. The were told to talk about torture, abuse and atrocities by Israel. IT WORKED!! They Palestinians changed the story from Israel releasing prisoner's as a sign of "good faith" and "honoring their agreement with the Palestinians". It became a story of Israel torture's Arab prisoner's. Israel needs video's of all operations. Recently the video's of the flotilla, proving the 6th ship started the fight have been effective at changing some people minds, Picture's of the new shopping malls, water parks, luxury restaurants, open food courts filled with an abundance and wide variety of food...to show Gaza isn't a "prison camp"... Again, people of "good will" are offended that they are being lied to, they don't like their good intentions being falsely manipulated. We will never change the mind of the antisemitic people who use Israel as cover to spout their hatred. But we can, by showing the truth, and proving the Palestinian Media Machine (Pallywood) is tricking people to elicit undeserved world sympathy. But it take's hard work, and video and pictures in today's world of images is what rules. The Muslim's have a head start, but battle is still on. We need to get out those images that show the distortions put out by the Muslim Media. Every chance you get show the side by side images, how the Muslim media distorts the truth, and bring up the question: why is it Muslims have distort and lie to gain sympathy and support.
21. Bully tactics won't work
op   (08.12.10)
Bullying people into admiring Israeli policies viv a vis Palestinians isn't really going to work now is it? And the make-believe notion that the rest of the world is just anti-semitic is a non starter. That leaves the inevitable withdrawal from occupied territories I'm afraid.
22. 7 - Brian
YE ,   Canada   (08.12.10)
"Brian", those are very good suggestions...put them into practice instead of hiding under a Monty Pythons pseudonim... I am willing to be a soldier in this cause but we need to organise ourselves... create a blog,a website, etc and post it here..i will be among the first to volunteer..
23. the world hates the jews..
go4freedom ,   germany   (08.12.10)
i just cannot hear it anymore. the nazis commited horrible crimes, killed over 6 million jews, yes. and we will not forget it, especially not here in germany. do you honestly believe that there is more discrimination in germany TODAY than in israel?! then you have never left israel. there is more discrimination against ethnic and religious minorities in israel than in europe. the muslims say the world hates them, the jews say the world hates them, the christians say the muslims want to kill them... religion is the worst thing man has come up with... i hope for the day when we realize that we are all equal. and by the way, history of antizionism does not mean you can do whatever you want in the middle east. the UN created israel and the UN must watch what israel is doing. and i am afraid, israel is doing horrible things..
24. denial of holocaust ,denial of antisemitism is anti semitc
avrom ,   bet shemesh   (08.12.10)
25. I totally agree (#23)
flyingdoc57 ,   Florida, U.S.A.   (08.13.10)
Sadly nearly everything you say in your post is true. Israel has more discrimination than Europe and that is a fact, you just have to read the recent articles on YNET to hear about campaigns against minority groups in Israel or the racist attacks or the racist laws that the Knesset is trying to pass. And while you say that religion is the worst thing man has come up with you must remember that religion, our religion, is the only thing that unites all Jewish people, without our religion we would be nothing, nothing at all.
26. Post # 25 is not my posting. Our resident imposter...
flyingdoc57 ,   Florida, U.S.A.   (08.13.10)
...never rests. Hey, imposter. Are you having fun with your 3rd grade antics, you fool? Are your comments so worthless that you dare not assign your own username to them?
27. To the FAKE "flyingdoc57" at # 25.
Eli   (08.13.10)
Don't be a fool, Mr. imposter. The real flyingdoc57 is a fervent Israel supporter, and would never write anything so foolish. Let's see now. You regularly hijack the usernames of SarahB, Matty Groves, Robert Haymond, flyingdoc57....Yeah, you're really fooling us all, aren't you. Yeah, no one would ever think that the pro-Israel comments you write using Matty Groves' name, or the anti-Israel comments you write using SarahB's username, were fraudulent, right? Are you really that much of an idiot? Has it ever even occurred to you that you can post an opinion, and use a genuine username all your own. Here's a grear username for you...."Imposter".
28. Perfection
Sigmund   (08.13.10)
Jews are often ambitious and aim for perfection but they are far from even good . But the rest of the world is far worse except for a few isoloted righteous amomgst the nations. Netanyahu is arrogant and slimy but the rest are more dangerous fanaticos deluded crackpots following mad values but far more dangerous than the jews for they look for converts expansionist megalomaniacs
29. Gaza, Marcos? Sure You Want To bring That Up?
emanon ,   USA   (08.13.10)
Let me see . . . Israel was told to leave Gaza, take all the Jews that had bought land there, built homes there, built industries there and forcibly evict them so a bunch of arabs could start a peaceful homeland. Remember what happened? Any trace of anything Jewish was utterly destroyed by these peace loving arabs you adore. They yhen screamed it was not enough, Israel must give up more. They then elected a terrorist organization to lead them and (SURPRISE!) began a new campaign of terror against Israel. Are you sure you want to bring up Gaza?
30. 23. the world hates the jews..
split ,   usa   (08.13.10)
Why ??? ,...
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