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Army shocked by 'flotilla looters'
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 19.08.10, 09:01
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1. Where is discipline?
Moses Mafora ,   South Africa   (08.19.10)
since Barack took over the army is getting worse by the day, just dismiss the guy and find someone else. Israel is committing suicide and this is what the arab world like to hear for their PR.
2. That took awhile...
Finally ,   amsterdam NL   (08.19.10)
Finally, it's beginning to sink in: ""If the suspicions prove to be true, there must be a serious problem in the IDF in terms of values..."
3. QUESTION YOUR CHARACTER !
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (08.19.10)
4. DONT THEY EARN ENOUGH MONEY TO LIVE ?
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (08.19.10)
5. REMEMBER ALLAH (C.C) ! HE ( C.C) HAS HIS OWN JUSTICE.
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (08.19.10)
6. WHEN A MILITARY LOSE ITS SOUL ! THAT STATE LOSES IN LONG RUN
ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU   (08.19.10)
7. ARMY IS NOT SHOCKED. DONT LIE PLEASE.
ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU   (08.19.10)
8. What morals?
Sam ,   Canada   (08.19.10)
"If the suspicions prove to be true, there must be a serious problem in the IDF in terms of values," !!!!! can this statement be more lame?? these soldiers are trained to kill other human beings without knowing or questioning why...and we are supposed to be surprised for them stealing labtops!!! give me a break...
9. What about the Activist Credit Cards being used in Israel?
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (08.19.10)
The morals and values in Israel seem to be dropping the last few years and that is truly worrying. When you have greed at the top it will filter down over time but I am sorry to say it much of the worlds problem too.
10. Lack of leadership
vernon marriott ,   Tel Aviv   (08.19.10)
Oh dear. This is really not going to play well internationally all all. Incidentally - buying something in good faith I believe is not a defence against receiving stolen goods.
11. The I.D.F
Philip ,   Afula, Israel   (08.19.10)
Is just another middle eastern army, nothing more and nothing less.We have integrated very well into our surroundings. From clogs to clogs in such a short time !!!
12. ISRAEL WITH TALMUD ! ALWAYS LOSES. TODAY & TOMORROW....
atilla karagözoğlu   (08.19.10)
13. Army shocked by 'flotilla looters'
Frank Corolles ,   Toronto, Canada   (08.19.10)
Mama mia ...this is absolutely loco. The state of Isrealmust claen up its armed forces or else this country Isreal my favourite in the world will implode. You do not need Arabs to destroy what you have built up. Get rid of your gangsters and immorale politicinas
14. Small number of bad apples....
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (08.19.10)
....who need to be pruned. But there have always been some of those. Remember that soldier who was taken prisoner in Operation Litani? Turned out he was looting at the time he was captured.
15. SHAME !SHAME !SHAME !SHAME !SHAME !SHAME !SHAME !SHAME !
EHUD ,   ISRATINE   (08.19.10)
16. The surprise should be
Sean ,   Montreal, Quebec   (08.19.10)
what exactly? This is the same organization which kills little children and women. These young men have been fed a constant diet all their lives of how evil the others are. Death and theft are often dismissed and justified away on these talkbacks if the perpetrator is Jewish. Nothing but racial and religious hatred, killing and thieving is expected of the soldiers of theIDF. Like the youth who send rudimentary rockets into Israel they serve a dark force. When did Hashem excuse the Israelis from the Ten Commandments? Either you are a believer or you're not. If you are, then you know the Commandments for killing and stealing are very clear. A true believer would never put the uniform on.
17. ATILLA - Your army uses chemical weapons against the Kurds
Mike ,   Oxford UK   (08.19.10)
Please keep your comments about laptops in context. Theft of laptops if proven is a serious offence which will be punished. Your country, Turkey, continues to oppress the occupied people of Kurdistan, including attacking them with chemical weapons according to last weeks Der Spiegel.
18. Ashamed is not the word!
Talula ,   Israel   (08.19.10)
These soldiers need to be reprimanded to the fullest extent of the law. But even so, it's still too late for us in the face of the international community. They’ve just been given more fodder to judge us all with. How come incidences such as these NEVER EVER happened 40 years ago? Why did our army always get it so right back then? They were moral and held values that are simply not found today. Such a shame.
19. Shameless - disgraceful - Scandalous
Brod ,   USA   (08.19.10)
20. So what? Shocked? Didn't you morons read the story?
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (08.19.10)
A couple of bad apples got caught and are being investigated by the MPs. They system appears to be working. So all you blathering nay-sayers out there in Turkey and Canada and America and South Africa - do you want me to list the war crimes your troops are all accused of? And not just war crimes, since there are lots of stories of your troops outside of war zones stealing, raping and murdering. Yea, shi*t happens. That's why the MPs are there, and the military prosecutors and courts. Will these guys get charged and convicted? I dunno - we have to wait for the wheels of justice to turn. Just like they do in the USA and Canada and South Africa (I'm not so sure about Turkey, but am guesstimating their armed forces doesn't like thieves either). Get a life, folks. Go write about the declining morals and values in your own countries where: South Africa: the cities are unsafe and people who can afford to live behind walls, wires and guns USA: where American troops have been charged with murdering innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan (not to mention rapes in Japan and elsewhere) Canada: where a soldier will be sentenced next month for shooting a wounded Taliban Turkey: where soldiers are suspected of killing Kurdish civilians Read the article again and make the conclusions: Israel's military justice system appears to be working. Instead of covering it up, it's been exposed to the media and the soldiers may be indicted. Stick that in your USB and download it...
21. Shocked?
max ,   vienna   (08.19.10)
There were lots of complaints by Palestinians about the IDFs behaviour during the clampdown of the 2nd intifada (stolen private jewelry, broken up money safes and so on) and no one cared!!!!!!! And now, since they stole from Europeans - there is and outcry ???? My son wears a funny tshirt with the printing on front:" I am shizophrenic" on back: "me too " Could be part of Israeli uniforms.....
22. Does anyone expect different?
sean ,   jerusalem   (08.19.10)
The soldiers of the IDF, as of the last decade or so with Barak alternately in charge of the government and Ministry of Defense, has spared no costs in destroying all values in the core of the IDF, teaching them to hate Jews, be cowards, give in to the enemy at every opportunity, and to hate Jewish Nationalism. I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg that is the result of the unified efforts of Barak and his extreme left wing cohorts over the years. This stealing is absolutely nothing compared to the shanda that the high court in Israel has turned into.
23. Worse
Raphael ,   Netanya   (08.19.10)
than this petty pilfering, worth some hundred dollars: the lost information contained in the hard disks.
24.  Army shocked ....... I'm Shocked !!!!
Salma ,   Palestine   (08.19.10)
25. Crime of the century
Daniel   (08.19.10)
Worse then Ghengis Khan, worse then the Crusades!!!
26. good work
Martin ,   Landskrona,Sweden   (08.19.10)
Nice job guys! Now you guys have just given the already anti-Israeli world that will use this to a maximum more to write and talk about. What in the world were you thinking???
27. # 21 Palestinians don't count.
Albrecht   (08.19.10)
28. Flotilla Looters
Oskar Prager ,   Petach Tikva   (08.19.10)
I fail to see what all the broohahah is about. In war, "booty" is perfectly legal to be taken by the victor - in case of the Flotilla, - Israel. Remember how the Russians, after entering and conquering parts of Germany, took everything they could possibly lay their hands on, e.g. watches, clocks, typewriters, radios, even machinery which was screwed on to concrete floors, practically part of the Volkswagen car assembly line, etc etc., and nobody raised their eyebrows. I am sure, the British, American, etc did it as well. And so did the Turks whilst their Ottoman empire occupied parts of Europe and Asia. Spoils of war are legal and the Flotilla was an act of war against Israel.
29. The most Moral army in the world
Alistair ,   Scotland   (08.19.10)
I don't know how the law is applied in Israel but here in Scotland reset is punished identically to the original theft.The soldiers that reset stolen goods are just as guilty as the thieves!
30. @20 spot on!
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