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Lecturer to return as woman after summer break
Reuven Weiss
Published: 27.08.10, 10:32
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1. israel becomes Sodome and Gomorah
(08.27.10)
3. #1 and more meshuge by the day.
Shalom   (08.27.10)
Secular Jews looking to satisfy their boring lives. The normal ones with some brains see the beauty of religious life and follow them. The secular meshugaim are just becoming more meshuga. AND THIS MESHUGENE IS A LECTURER in Israel's university??? These are the kind of lecturers teaching in Israel's universities and are paid by the government of Israel??? No wonder we end up with PeaceNow, Betzelem, Animal and Human groups of meshugaim.
4. Hey lecturer, it is cheaper if he do it i Thailand.
EHUD ,   ISRATINE   (08.27.10)
5. The kids will have two mothers soon ! Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha
Ariel Sharon ,   Hospital   (08.27.10)
6. Creation versus perversion
Dorothea Killus ,   Loerrach, Germany   (08.27.10)
This is really a terrible story. Not o n e reason is given for this altering God's creation. That people are supportive of this act is all the more shocking. The feelings and opinion of man - and as a collective in modern democratic states - ruling instead of God and his standards is not only a sign of an ongoing cultural revolution, but definitely, according to the Bible, a sign of the end times. I wonder whether there is anyone who had counselled the lecturer from a Biblical world view. Still, it might not be too late.
7. He is crazy! reject her!
Daniel ,   Israel   (08.27.10)
8. to 1 & 3, the Guys living in the dark middle ages
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.27.10)
"Normal ones with some brains ....." Where ? on their "tachat" ! Shalom you're a specialist on meschugaim , you see one when you look at a mirror . That's alsao your only "speciality . Great for you "tzwaifiesedige behaime"
9. its he
juda ,   baltimore, usa   (08.27.10)
why does the writer insist on calling him she. by the same token if someone was castrated I assume you would fefer to him as it. obviously a persons gender cannot change no matter how they mutilate themselves.
10. Not as lunatic as becoming a post-zionist!!!
steve ,   London   (08.27.10)
Not as lunatic as becoming a post-zionist!!!
11. He can do whatever he wants, but
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (08.27.10)
don't force me to accept his disguise and call me a hater or a bigot if I still consider him to be the man he really is. this is ridiculous.
12. Univ Prof sex change
Lake ,   Israel   (08.27.10)
If this is such an acceptable matter, why hide behind pseudo names and not say which Univ.
13. How disappointing for ynet
uni sex   (08.27.10)
that this person isn't chareidi(t), ...meanwhile But they may soon dig that up too...lol. Did anyone read this weird piece of news anywhere in ivrit , as it sounds tailor made for ynet?
14. Funny stuff, reminds me of Mr./Mrs. Garrison from South Park
Jake ,   USA   (08.27.10)
15. How sick...toss this thing in the heap
Shmuel ,   Billings, USA   (08.27.10)
another israeli wack job
16. Such a proliferation of hateful talkbackers. None of you
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (08.27.10)
are this person's doctor, none of you have walked in his/her shoes. Many people are BORN with both sets of genitals and what do you say to them, that Hashem hated them, that Hashem wished this baby ill treatment? I absolutely believe that homosexuals are born with a brain that attracts them to the same sex. That is how they are born, for who in the world would choose to be part of a group that receives such terrible hatred and discrimination. Who would choose to be an outcast to so many when we naturally seek to have wonderful friends and a good life? I believe that people who undergo sex change operations are born with their brain in the opposite sex. Who would undergo the pain of surgery and all the cost to be ridiculed by people who supposedly love and honor Hashem? Odd how you are so good at being a judge of someone who is not harming YOU like the terrorists do and have no fear of Hashem judging you on the way you treat people. I am not competent to look into the brains of other people and judge, that is for Hashem, not you.
17. #16 Do you realize how YOU judge -
Dorothea Killus ,   Loerrach, Germany   (08.27.10)
on the basis of your theory and belief, in calling your fellow talkbackers "hateful"? The article gives, as I wrote, no reason for the attempted sex change, and what you suppose and defend, is not even affirmed.
18. Bunny #16
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (08.27.10)
First, you did exactly what all the GLBT supporters do and that's calling those who disagree "hateful". Maybe we just have a different opinion than the ones you are so certain of in your TB. Second, nothing in this article suggests that this person is androgynous, so let's stick to the issue as presented, a man who wants to be a woman. Third, no-one knows if a person is born with a homosexual brain. But, even if it's true, is this what determines gender? I'd suggest it's the reproductive organs by definition. If the brain is out of sync, fix the brain, i.e., consider psychotherapy or medication or something, not the body. Do we accept violent people in our society because they were born with short tempers and anger? As far choosing to be an outcast, if you are Jewish, think about that one. And yes, many Jews assimilate into the greater society because Jews aren't so liked. But, also, for any minority, there's a certain cachet in being such a minority. It makes you closer especially if you are scorned. For many people, this is a draw. First, you did exactly what all the GLBT supporters do and that's calling those who disagree "hateful". Maybe we just have a different opinion than the ones you are so certain of in your TB. Second, nothing in this article suggests that this person is androgynous, so let's stick to the issue as presented, a man who wants to be a woman. Third, no-one knows if a person is born with a homosexual brain. But, even if it's true, is this what determines gender? I'd suggest it's the reproductive organs by definition. If the brain is out of sync, fix the brain, i.e., consider psychotherapy or medication or something, not the body. Do we accept violent people in our society because they were born with short tempers and anger? As far choosing to be an outcast, if you are Jewish, think about that one. And yes, many Jews assimilate into the greater society because Jews aren't so liked. But, also, for any minority, there's a certain cachet in being such a minority. It makes you closer especially if you are scorned. For many people, this is a draw. And finally, you say they are not harming me? I live in Massachusetts where gay marriage is legal and a transgender law is in the works. As a result, the schools are free to indoctrinate kids in this unnatural alternate lifestyle. I want kids to grow up at least with the notion that heterosexuality is the norm and should be aspired to, and that other wierd lifestyles perhaps can be tolerated, but are not our desire. This isn't happening with "gay pride", etc. What's to be "proud of"?
19. legitimacy?
Jay Bin ,   NY NY   (08.27.10)
So we don't have the name of the prof., the school, or any of the students, but we believe the article? When did we stop requiring journalists to provide some proof of legitimacy?
20. #16 Since you seem to an expert on what Hashem does or does
Rueben ,   Migdal, Israel   (08.28.10)
not do(you really do seemed confused about him), let's agree that we can know what he thinks about the words he has written to us in the Tanauch, and the Torah, and let's include the entire Bible as well OK?? Please, enlighten us to where in either of these 3 books that Hashem has said that ' I am your creator, I have a planned life for you, one full of prosperity, no lack for anything. You will be blessed in all that you do, and I will lead you and guide you in all of your affairs of life EXCEPT for those of you who I have created imperfect. All of you imperfect ones must trust in your brains and not me to lead you and guide you. I made a big mistake in creating you and I can't take it back". Please tell us all where that is OK Bunnie. Cause the way I read it, in the Bereishis(Book of Genesis), when Hashem created Man, he did it center stage for all to see. It was such a glorious thing that even the angels marveled at the creation. After man & woman were created, Hashem looked at his creation and saw that it was 'VERY GOOD". So where is the imperfection of creation in those 2 words??? Please enlighten us. But if you can't give me an answer from his Words, all else just comes from pure ignorance of one who thinks they are oh so smarter than the one who created them. Necs pas????
21. On judgement day,they will stand as their original creation.
Hashem never forgets ,   or is confused.   (08.28.10)
22. #18 baruch
Ben ,   USA   (08.28.10)
Baruch, You claim there is nothing in the article to say that the person in question is androgynous. I presume you are talking about the condition of intersex/hermaphrodism, in which case you are correct, there is nothing from this article to conclude this person is intersexed. The term for the person in question is "transsexual", not androgynous or homosexual. Near the end of the article, one of the person's students implies that, though the person had a masculine appearance, this person behaved differently than masculine - presumably the person in question was feminine in behavior. You claim no one knows if a brain is hardwired for homosexuality. As the person in question is not homosexual but transsexual, I'll assume you meant that no one knows if people are born with a "transsexual brain" (= a brain more like the gender opposite that of the body). There are indications that transsexuals' brains are more like those of the gender opposite that of their own body. Google a paper by Frank Kruijver et al (2000) on neuron numbers in the BSTc region of the brain in transsexual and non-transsexual men and women. The brains of male-to-female transsexuals (born with male body, transitioned to living as a woman) were found to have BSTc regions more like those of nontranssexual women. As to your fears that transsexual people are harmful to society, and your appeal to the in-born-ness of violence in violent people, I ask the following: Who is hurt by women being themselves? Please be specific in your reply. Women tend to be more verbal, more expressive, more sensitive to others' emotions. Will this woman's greater verbality trigger seizures in nearby listeners? Will her wearing of colorful, flower-print blouses give rise to a greater incidence of blindness to people who look at her than if she continued to wear male-style drab clothing? You fear for your children. Why should your or anyone else's children be afraid of a law-abiding transsexual woman being allowed to express herself as a woman like all women get to do? Children can be afraid of people with disfigured faces. Does that make their fear valid? Is a child psychologically harmed by merely seeing the victim of a brutal attack that leaves the victim's face caved-in? Suppose the attack happened years ago and the victim has undergone many surgeries, and no amount of surgery can restore a face that is normal in appearance. I would suggest you not gussy up your feelings of disgust as holy.
23. #14 - ARGHHH! You beat me to it.
William ,   Israel   (08.28.10)
24. #19 - Arrest dat man!!
William ,   Israel   (08.28.10)
With such questions of media authority he shall have nooooo place in da Leftist utopia!!
25. Think of muslim students
Raphael ,   Netanya   (08.28.10)
He will have to wear a burqa not to offend them.
26. #20, Rueben
Ben ,   USA   (08.28.10)
Rueben, Very good! Yes, when Hashem creates the baby with a non-life-threatening birth defect like a cleft palate or a life-threatening birth defect like a defective heart valve, the Torah is correct, those people are created "Tov Meod", very good. So is that the end of the story? How you emerge from your mother's womb at the instant of birth is "God's-Most-Beautiful-Perfect-Unalterable-Creation-That-Absolutely-Under-No-Circumstances-Whatsoever-Can-Be-Surgically-Altered-'Cause-The-Torah-Says-So,-And-It's-As-Simple-As-That"? Is that what you would say to a mother who just gave birth to a child with a defective heart valve or a cleft palate? I would hope that some rabbi, at some point in your life, taught you better than that, if you didn't do so for yourself. Then again, the stories of Orthodox Jews in Israel not intervening to save someone's life on Shabbat despite the imperative of Pikuach Nefesh testifies to all sorts of nastiness done in the name of Hashem and/or Judaism these days ... Is it offensive to you to think of being born transsexual as also a birth defect that can be ameliorated by homonally/surgically changing the *body* to match the *mind*? Never mind #14 Baruch's barbaric Dark-Age Christian-like suggestion to attempt clumsily to alter the mind of the transsexual. I thought Judaism was about mitzvot and action, not putzing around in people's minds or intentions. Jews don't do the whole Christian mentality of "if you've committed the sin in your mind but not your body then you've already sinned; let us crawl into your mind to fix you" ...
27. #26, Oh you simple, simple minded man. Do you honestly think
Rueben ,   Migdal, Israel   (08.28.10)
that Hashem is not bigger than birth defects, nor knows how to fix them?? Phuleez!! You make me laugh at you very basic elementary knowledge of Hashem and his intense love for his creation!! I can honestly say that you are relying on your own thought process of what you think Hashem is like instead of what his own words say about him. Sigh!! Ok, in response to you carrying your feelings on your sleeve talk back. 1. Hashem created everything PERFECT. End of discussion. BUT, when the evil one came in and seduced the man and the woman, evil was introduced into the creation and all that was in the earth. However, over time covenants were made between Hashem and those who would let him into their lives. Thereby giving his creation another avenue back into the blessed life. But this time it must be done by pure trust and faith in his ability to do what you ask him for. Even in the Bible, Yashua was asked the very same question about the son of parents who was deformed from birth. His followers asked him....."Rabbi, who sinned here, his parents, or him"? I think that is a fair question don't you? But Yashua's response was what?--"Neither, but this was done so that the Son of Man may be glorified". How was that a glorious situation? Yashua walked perfectly accordingly to the law and as one who knew his Abrahamic Covenant rights and therefore was bold in correcting what was not right in the lives of those who were covenant children. Today is NO different. Get to know what Hashem has to say about things, and you get to know how he thinks. When you know how he thinks, you can begin to change un-normal circumstances back to the way they were supposed to be. 2. I will ask you the same thing I asked Bunnie. Show me where in Hashems words "Very Good", when he created man and woman that there was left an indication or acceptance of letting them make an alternative decision for an alternative lifestyle just in case Hashem really missed it when he looked at what he created, called is VERY GOOD. Please, continue on in your study of Hebrew words to get to the root meaning of the words VERY GOOD. If you do that, I honestly believe that there will be hope for you yet Ben. Instead of trying to give me a piece of your mind in an apparent angry accusatorial tone, perhaps you can sharpen your skills as a human being by being content in studying Hashems words and how you then can offer hope to those who need help. I'm just saying.
28. #25 Ha! He'll have to wear a burqa just to stay alive!!!!!!
(08.28.10)
29. #27, right back at ya buddy
Ben ,   USA   (08.28.10)
Rueben, Hashem has created thousands of hermaphroditic children in this world every year. And He said they are Very Good as they were created. And when He creates brain and body hermaphrodism - of which transsexuality is a type - he also says Very Good. And like Hashem has declared, human beings have the medical knowledge to alleviate birth defects. So whether you are a intersexed/hermaphroditic by birth or a transsexual by birth, Hashem leaves your gender to your own accord. And that, too, is perfection, as Hashem has created. Your question to Bunnie and me insinuates that we claim God has created imperfection. I can't speak for Bunnie, but I'll speak for myself. I claim that God has created the child with the cleft palate or the life-threatening heart condition or the intersex condition or transsexuality PERFECT. This means these children should not feel ashamed of who they are, God created them that way. Who are you to say what is PERFECTION? And who are you to deny these children surgeries as they or their guardians see fit to save or improve their lives? By the way, in the Zohar it is written that Adam was originally a hermaphrodite. God thought that was Very Good as well. I'm just sayin'.
30. #29 Poor Ben. Once again trying to appear wiser than the one
Rueben ,   Migdal, Israel   (08.29.10)
that created him. You are like the stubborn ones who thought they were wiser when they were released from Egypt and built a gold cow to worship instead of the one who just delivered them from the awful hand of Ramsees. Again when Hashem provided them manna from the Heavenly Yirushaliam they still were not content. Instead of going into Cannan, they wandered around like bumbling idiots uncapable to find their way out of the desert in what should have been a very short juant. But perhaps one day you will come out of your stubborn senses, heed Hashems word,believe and do what it says so he can look down on you and say 'Yep, very good indeed. As far as saying what is perfection and what is not, we only have to look at Hashems word to find out what he sees a perfection. Then you can rely on him to restore back to perfection what the evil one has perverted from it's origional state. If he calls something an abomination, he has not confused that with perfection. A lesson you could well learn. I'm just saying.
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