most Mormons believe themselves descended from or converted members of the ancient Israelite lost tribe of Ephraim. It was if they were the first Jews coming to Utah.

even if that was true it would not Repalce the vast Majority of Jews..they don't actually believe they are Jews btw,they believe they are part of the lost trib of the house of Isarel which is a different thing. but mormons are idividuals made up of All nations,those who become mormons don't claim to be part of this except those who started the movement..But This is a metter of what they believe which is differnt to something being a fact.It another attampt by yet another long lne of list of groups who want to Sideline Israel and the Jewish people.Even if this was true,they would still not Repalce Israel or Jews! if true,or the best they could claim is they where part of Israel which would not Replace the REST Of Israel! What we do know as a Fact is that Jews living in Israel are True and authentic,and they are the people who are Filfilling Scripture..AMERICA Is not the land of Israel,GOD Never relocated His land..JERUSALEM Still stands where it has always stood. Overwhelming Scripturs and prophecies CONFIRM This and the Return of the Jews Confirm this too! anyone who reads the Bible,Believer or non believer can recognize where Israel is,and who the Jews are.

so why we are not seeing mormons returning to Israel then? all this was fine for them until Israel become a Nation again in 1948 and jews returned there..now anyone can see this was a matter of individual belief on behalf of mormons and nothing to do with rael hard facts!

Not all mormons actually believe this anyway,but those who claim mormons are the new Isarel or real Israel,this is yet another identity theft..I'm welsh,a Christian,I can say I'm Jewish in my Thinking,But as for my natural ID,Or my gene,I'm not an Israeli or from Israel's Tribe as far as I'm aware of.. Even Islam is a sense is replacement theology because they too claim God Finished with Israel and the Jews,Scripture though clearly expose this as misguided..God never said he would repalce Israel. Even the true church is ot a Replacement of Israel,as Paul in rom11 described the Church,the true church that is as Being grafted Onto the Jewish Tree..not that word GRAFTED ON..Not Replacing..also paul called gentiles WILD OLIVES,,And he clearly called Israel & Jews as the NATURAL BRANCH And natural leaves. Of Course the Majority of the "Church" Totally twsited everything around and began teaching false theology that God Wiped his hand off Israela and Jews,Overlooking the fact that all the early Church members where Jews,and only later did the gentiles really get Grafted in when PAUL Was Specifically called to go to the gentile World! so much false theology exist today that tries to replace the Jewish calling of God.Paul in Rom 11 says the calling of God to Israel,JEWS,Are irrevocable! Shalom!

#26 With the greatest respect your knowledge of Islam is flawed. Check out the Hamas charter. It seeks an Islamic state of Palestine in place of Israel. If you read the Islamic holy books you will discover that any land that has been Islamic during history remains forever Islamic and the presence of any Jewish or Christian nation upon that territory will never be accepted. This is why the Palestinians seek Sharia law in both Gaza and Judea & Samaria. The Fatah charter of Mahmoud Abbas who led the talks in Washington this week still calls for the 'Zionist state to be demolished' and 'Palestine liberated'. It is not for nothing that when Jordan occupied the territory of Judea & Samaria that Jews were forbidden, just as they are in Saudi Arabia. After all is said and done, and the politicals are exhausted, this conflict is ultimately spiritual and religious. Islam will never accept the presence of a Jewish state, or a secular Israeli state, or any right of the Jews to Jerusalem. Check out the history of the region and also what Islam dictates at the same time.

you said>" It was if they were the first Jews coming to Utah. " my reply:Utah is not the land of promise...When Jews go back to Isarel,then you should take notice..talking of Theological gymnastic,you can't Make America Israel. not since 1948 anyway! some Americans do believe they are part of the lost tribe,many Christians do,but they don't Replace Jews or what God is doing or has promised to Jews and what he will do in the land of Israel. Who is Isolated today?who has been restored back to their land? You know the answer is Israel,it can Only be Israel. Zch 12 talks about every nation refusing to Recognise jerusalem as belonging to Israel,well well,This is amzingly accurate today.can you tell me what country has their Embassy in Jerusalem today? None,But there is a Christian Embassy there though,shows who are truly Friend of Israel today!

you said "Palestine is not Muslims' nor Jewish. Palestine is for Palestinians." Because if Israel survive as a nation,it will undo your own religion! Point 2,"palestine" is not a people but a term used by the romans after Israel fell in AD-70..the romans later called this area palestine after the philistines as an Insult to Jews. But Philistines was more Gasa. as for Palestinians,Beofre the 50's jews would call themselves 'Palestinian' Jews. Jordan took over this area your refering to illegally after the independent war.NO Arab living there at that time Askd for or called themselves palestinians,why?because to them,Jordan represented what was the Arabs side fighting at the time and living there..Nothing to do with another group of people some how distinct from the Jordanians.jordan in fact was the part of palestine which the arabs created for themselves out of the balfour mandate,even though it never promised them a State. Maybe we should be calling Jordan Palestine,ACTUALLY,this is more accurate than what we have now! Study history and you will find all i have said here is 100% true.the reason there is hardly nothing said about this is because of OIL.And because the World want to appease radical muslims! they alrday have 22 State surrounding Israel,They wnat to create yet another one while Israel get smaller and smaller,Jews will feel threatened,They hope Jews will leave and later they will Attack Israel when Israel thinks it living at rest. Ezek 38:11 "You will say, 'Israel is an unprotected land filled with unwalled villages! I will march against her and destroy these people who live in such confidence!" that is one translation,but the other translations say the same thing but uses different terms. living cofidently or at rest is the same!

Sorry for Spelling Errors,I write too fast and make some Mistakes here and there. I wanted to Clarify Just a few points.. The True church did not replace Israel.We where Added on to their Plan.God has two people in a sense,but we will one day be one in the Messiah! His People are still Jews and they are always called his people whether they are in Relationship or not..But this does not mean Individual Jews have some automatic Guarantee of Eternal Bliss,Not so! But it does mean as a Nation, they are still called to fulfill their destiny,and God will Fulfill this plan one day through and for them! Islam is also in a sense a Replacement theology..What i mean is that Islam claims God ended his Plans for Israel. But we know from the Bible that God made an ETERNAL Covenant with Israel. So that cannot be correct according to the Bible and God's Promises! ETERNAL MEANS EVERLASTING WITH NO END! God does not lie! the Bible does say they would be Punished for their Disobedience,But that God would always Restore them. In fact the Bible actually says Twice Israel would be exiled and twice restored..BINGO,We are seeing the second restoration. Look up Isaiah 11:11 The Bible is full of promises of Restoration.This Proves that God never annulled his Covenant and what we are witnessing today is the beginning of God's process of restoration. He promised to restore Jews first to the land,then Secondly to Himself Spiritually! this will happen when all the nations will gang up on them.Joel 1-3 and Zech 12-14 Ezekiel 38 &39 Rev 19:11-21 rev 16:16 and I could give many more scriptures..

as for Bibi Bluffing,I'm not so sure because he is also giving legitimacy to a future palestine state,so this Bluff would be Damaging if only for that. but Don't be Surprised if the Palestinians Pretend to want peace and accept a Compromise for now,as Arafat Did for a long time,until he realized he wasn't going to get everything he Initially wanted. palestinians might Just accept this as a First Step fooling Israel so that Israel will give them their initial desire at least,while hoping to take the rest later..REMEMBER,Peace is just a Strategy for the Palestinians!

Mormons had set the Zion idea and achieved it long before Jews; they had the first Zion Bank. They Built their Temple de novo on native non-stolen land and not on the ruins of others' temple. Conversion to Mormonism is not only allowed, but also encouraged by the Church of Later Day Saints, even posthumously. That's why they started with a few and end with millions; a growing community unlike the attrition character of the Jewish population. Polygamy allowed, wine prohibited they don't have the problem of alcohol addiction or adultery as Jews have. Then, why shouldn't be Jews not jealous of?

what on earth makes you think Jews are jealous of mormons?it is the World who are JEALOUS that from this Tiny pecent of the World's population has come so much Invensions and so many Brilliant people who discovered so many things.the scientific community owe so much to Jewish Brains and The modrn world today ows a great debt to the Jews. Mormons teach Replacement theology,what you wrote in your last comment goes to prove it..what you wrote there everyone can see where your coming from! your religion has not grown any faster or bigger than any other cult has. Jews do not go out to convert anyone,yet they have survived as a religion and a group of people to return again as a Great nation in the 20th century. mormons are Not the New Israel.The church is not the New Israel,and islam is not the New Israel.any group that claims the Jews have been replaced practise deceit and are contrubuting to the the Anti-Semitic trend which is endemic in our world today. Unless these groups can verify and show from the Bible their Big Claims,It should be dismissed by any reasonable and sensible person. Mormonism is just one of many Cults which teach that God finsished with the Jews,OF Course,that why they Exist in order to Preach this and in order for them to have any chance of Success,they must demonize Jews in the process.that why these sort of cults are dangerous as well as being very deceptive! Not only does mormonism and islam Teach Replacement of Jews,they also teach replacement of the true church too. Mormonism is just a recent Religion which started in the 1930s ..What was God doing for the last 1800 years then?The Bible says God would always have a witness in every generation,But your Movements came 1800 years after the Birth of the church.

I meant 1830s not 1930's I thought I hit 8 but hit no 9 in error..I meant to say Mormonism started in the 1830s

you wrote this "Mormons had set the Zion idea and achieved it long before Jews; they had the first Zion Bank. They Built their Temple de novo on native non-stolen land and not on the ruins of others' temple. " YOU Are seeing things totally upside down! Anyone can use the name Zion,but it does not Take away God's promises to the REAL & Original Zion Israel is not on Stolen land either,Shows your total Disragard to the old & new Testament. Jesus Himself wept over this city and wrote: Luke 13:35 "Behold, your house is left to you desolate; and I say to you, you will not see Me until the time comes when you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!'" This itself proves that One day,the Jews would still be alive and living in Jerusalem to say those very words,"Blesed is he that coms in the NAME Of the Lord" Your Religion also denies that Jesus will return to Jerusalem,Yet you know that Acts 1:11"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." 12Then they returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives." This confirms ZECH 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. Thsi will occur At His return!!! Nothing there about him returning to America? And how can you restore something which was not there before?Jesus never left America so he cannot return there either!he left from Jerusalem! Restoration of Zion means it was there before and fell. mormons where not here before and so they are a New Group.the Jews are not New,they have always been here and the City of Jerusalem has fallen over and over,been invaded but never made a Capital of anyone except ISRAEL! that why we are seeing what we are seeing today,Because Yeshua (Jesus) promised to return to the place He left off! and at his return will be Jewish people Shouting Blessed be Him,BECAUSE He Returns With the Name,Title: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORD! And Rev 19:11-13 tells us his name is Called The WORD Of God. Try and understand that Mormonism has not only Repalced Jews but have also replaced the Scriptures and twisted around their true meanings! it based on a lie therefore! I respct you but cannot respct a religion that built it own religion on another Foundation,then Start denying that original Foundation has any relevance today,Iit the ultimate Identity theft and it ends up saying Israel has no releavance and the Jews have relevance and this ends up producing the most severe form of anti-Semitism you can Imagine.they end up being accused of being a Curse,so soon you start Saying God has cursed a people,You soon start cursing them also! Anti-Semitism does not only stem from Jealously of them or other aspects,but a Belief that God hates this people is the worse form and most Subtle of all because they are using religion to justify this hate!

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