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Report: US wants borders set in 3 months
Roee Nahmias
Published: 16.09.10, 11:59
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61. Mark from Georgia
BDS   (09.16.10)
I can only refer you to my earlier posting, #52. You may speculate on the reasons for Art. 49, but the international community and courts understand that they must accept what is actually written here. So, you and other Zionists deny the relevance of Art. 49 - the rest of the world understand that it means that all Israeli settlements are illegal. The whole world is against you on that argument!
62. Well thank you Lee Manchester.Thats a turn up of the book>>
KATE ,   ISRAEL/Tel -Aviv   (09.16.10)
Are you not the same fellow who was decrying and accusing Israel? Unless I am mistaken and there are two of you from the UK,and you have abetter understanding of Israel's predicament.i.e Being badgered not only inside the country having to deal with constant attacks by the Islamists,we also get ti from our so-called friend the US.We also get it from your country that you are innundated by Islamists. additionaly you decide to BOYCOTT our goods,plus trying to arrest our valiant Generals who have decided not to disenbark from the air-plane. Well I hope I am mistaken in my assumption pertaining your name. If so,I beg your pardon. What you say in your post is absolutley true. And YES,shame to the the present american administration. Obama can go and bow sooo low to the Saudi king again and all will be hunky ,dorry no doubt for BHO.
63. #61 mark,read 57 and get the facts!!!!
chris ,   wales   (09.16.10)
your always calling Zionists bad names as if Zion itself is Bad. The Nations hate Zion and the reasons are too many to go into..Read my last post no:57 But God loves Zion and the devil hates What God loves.. Those who hate Zion are the people of darkness while those who love Zion are the people representing the Son of Light! You can be a 'Son of light' if you choose..but you have chosen to serve the dark side..Zech 8- 12
64. #52 BDS & 61 MARK FROM GEORGIA
chris ,   wales   (09.16.10)
Read 57.. THE UN is CORRUPT AND MOST OF THE WORLD SUPPORT THOSE WITH OIL,THOSE WHO ARE ISLAMIC AND THREATENING THE WORLD OVER IF THEY DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT. UN V GOD'S WORD! Zechariah 8 The LORD Promises to Bless Jerusalem 1 Again the word of the LORD Almighty came to me. 2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "I am very jealous for Zion; I am burning with jealousy for her." 3 This is what the LORD says: "I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the City of Truth, and the mountain of the LORD Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain." 4 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Once again men and women of ripe old age will sit in the streets of Jerusalem, each with cane in hand because of his age. 5 The city streets will be filled with boys and girls playing there." 6 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "It may seem marvelous to the remnant of this people at that time, but will it seem marvelous to me?" declares the LORD Almighty. 7 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. 8 I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God." 9 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "You who now hear these words spoken by the prophets who were there when the foundation was laid for the house of the LORD Almighty, let your hands be strong so that the temple may be built. 10 Before that time there were no wages for man or beast. No one could go about his business safely because of his enemy, for I had turned every man against his neighbor. 11 But now I will not deal with the remnant of this people as I did in the past," declares the LORD Almighty. 12 "The seed will grow well, the vine will yield its fruit, the ground will produce its crops, and the heavens will drop their dew. I will give all these things as an inheritance to the remnant of this people. 13 As you have been an object of cursing among the nations, O Judah and Israel, so will I save you, and you will be a blessing. Do not be afraid, but let your hands be strong." 14 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Just as I had determined to bring disaster upon you and showed no pity when your fathers angered me," says the LORD Almighty, 15 "so now I have determined to do good again to Jerusalem and Judah. Do not be afraid. 16 These are the things you are to do: Speak the truth to each other, and render true and sound judgment in your courts; 17 do not plot evil against your neighbor, and do not love to swear falsely. I hate all this," declares the LORD. 18 Again the word of the LORD Almighty came to me. 19 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "The fasts of the fourth, fifth, seventh and tenth months will become joyful and glad occasions and happy festivals for Judah. Therefore love truth and peace." 20 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come, 21 and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say, 'Let us go at once to entreat the LORD and seek the LORD Almighty. I myself am going.' 22 And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the LORD Almighty and to entreat him." 23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.' "
65. BDS 61 Israel is the only nation ineligible to sit/vote on t
CHRIS M ,   WALES   (09.16.10)
BDS, Israel is the only nation ineligible to sit/vote on the UN Security Council Israel is the only one of the 185 member countries ineligible to serve on the UN Security Council, the key deliberative group of the world body. This situation violates the principle of the sovereign equality of all member states of the UN under Article 2 of the UN Charter. Arab/Islamic countries hostile to Israel such as Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Lebanon, Bahrain, UAE, Yemen, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan, are all eligible to sit on the UN Security Council and vote on matters pertaining to their own affairs and the existence of Israel. Along with such nations as Cuba, North Korea & Venezuela who have displayed considerable enmity towards the Jewish state. Arab/Islamic opposition within the UN system itself ensures that membership of any regional UN group is prohibited to the Jewish state rendering Israel ineligible to also sit on other bodies such as the World Court, UNICEF and the Commission on Human Rights. The UN has lost all credibility in issues relating to Israel. The UN has indeed lost all credibility in relation to Israel as votes within the General Assembly are being considerably devalued due to their manipulation in promoting & fulfilling an agenda which is both hostile and disportionate towards Israel. The General Assembly annually adopting a plethora of one-sided and narrow resolutions that single out Israel for special treatment while far more serious and pressing issues relating to other countries are either ignored or sidelined. Anti-Semitism within the United Nations. This writer maintains that criticism of Israel, like that of any other nation, is quite normal as long as it is comparative, contextual, and fair. However, when the Jewish nation is the only party criticized for faults that are far worse among other peoples, then such criticism crosses the line from being acceptable to being blatantly anti-Semitic. Indeed it is quite legitimate for UN bodies to criticize member states including Israel, but not when they do do so unfairly, selectively, massively, sometimes exclusively, and always obsessively. The demonstration of such overt bias practiced against one state, clearly with a view to it's isolation and vilification, undermines the UN's credibility and integrity. The 'pre-arranged conspiracy' of the UN. Like a pre-arranged conspiracy the Arab/Islamic world seizes every possible opportunity via the UN to carefully choreograph, manipuate and pursue an agenda that seeks to attack, undermine and delegitimize the Jewish state through the passing of resolution after resolution. Facilitating discriminatory treatment the Islamic countries are a reliable source of venom who, led by the Arab bloc & the group of 'non-aligned' nations (usually aligned against Israel), form an automatic numeric majority within the UN body surrounding any vote/issue relating to the Jewish state thereby ensuring that all resolutions voted upon against Israel are passed to Israel's detriment. Israel's enemies then being provided with the ammunition through which they can vilify the Jewish state and declare how "..Israel violates more UN Resolutions than anyone else..."
66. #61 Part 2 WHY THE UN IS AGAINST ISAREL
chris ,   wales   (09.16.10)
The UN's own 'Palestinian Units' Beyond the resolutions of the General Assembly, the GA sustains its own “Palestinian Units,” including the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People, the Division on Palestinian Rights, and the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People and Other Arabs of the Occupied Territories. Together, these committees spend millions of dollars to promote their work that seeks to enshrine the Palestinian narrative at the expense of historical facts and current realities. In only one of countless examples, during the 2005 United Nations Annual Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People, the main ceremony featured a map of the region in which all of modern Israel was labeled “Palestine.” UN Human Rights Council isolates Israel for 'special treatment'. The UN has repeatedly held "Emergency Special Sessions" focusing solely on Israel. The UN holds an annual "Palestine Day" and has specific bodies devoted to supporting the Palestinians eg the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People, the Division on Palestinian Rights & the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People. The UN Human Rights Council is obsessed with condemning Israel which is the only country listed on the Council’s permanent agenda and which is subjected to an investigatory mandate that examines the actions of only one side. UN would not 'approve' Israel's re-birth again. On 29 November 1947 the UN voted on the UN Partition Plan for Palestine, which was approved by 33-13 with 10 abstentions and thus brought about the re-birth of the Jewish state of Israel in it's ancient Biblical homeland. Deputy Israeli Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon recently stated that "..If the United Nations General Assembly were to vote today on Resolution 181, the Partition Plan that led to the creation of the modern State of Israel, “there is no doubt” that it would not be approved.." This is a damning indictment upon the present state of the United Nations and it's member states, who as Former Israeli Ambassador to the UN - Dore Gold - also stated recently "..the UN today seeks to undermine the very legitimacy of the State of Israel.. Some have coined a new phrase which is extremely appropriate to describe the 'Israelophobia' of the United Nations;- O.C.I.D. "Obsessive Compulsive Israel Disorder"
67. #63 mine,,was responding to BDS Not Mark
chris ,   wales   (09.16.10)
Mark,I meant BDS Not you..Your name was there and I got Confused..I was refering to BDS The Anti-Semites who loves spewing his anti-Zionsist hatred here!
68. TO CHRIS WALES AN ADDENDUM
KATE ,   ISRAEL   (09.16.10)
When Israel stood up to the U.S.: "What kind of expression is this - 'punishing Israel'? Are we a vassal state of yours? Are we a banana republic?" As U.S.-Israel tensions climb to unfamiliar heights, they recall a prior round of tensions nearly thirty years ago, when Menachem Begin and Ronald Reagan were in charge. In contrast to Binyamin Netanyahu's repeated apologies, Begin adopted a quite different approach. The sequence of events started with a statement from Syrian dictator Hafiz al-Asad that he would not make peace with Israel "even in a hundred years," Begin responded by making the Golan Heights part of Israel, terminating the military administration that had been governing that territory from the time Israeli forces seized it from Syria in 1967. Legislation to this effect easily passed Israel's parliament on Dec. 14, 1981.
69. To #13 Reuven - Agree, but what are the chances of that?
Schreiber   (09.16.10)
I couldn't agree more with you. But why hasn't the word referendum been on the forefront all this time? And shouln't there be one in the PA as well? If the PA inhabitants don't want this deal and neither do the Jews, what is it that is really going on there? Your government is not acting in your best interest.
70. Appeasement & land for peace won't work.
DR ,   UK   (09.16.10)
As the west demands that Israel and the Palestinians agree borders inside 3 months it is expediently overlooked that fundamentalist Islam will never tolerate a permanent Jewish state to remain in land that it considers "forever Islamic", irrespective of any concessions, borders, or treaties. As the Mid-East talks continue, screened by the Palestinian issue, all the present day territorial demands of the Arab & Islamic world towards Israel relate to territories that they have already possessed at one time or another since Israel's inception in 1948. The very adoption of the "Palestinian cause" has become the "fig leaf" for the Arab & Islamic war against Israel, which has arisen from their realization that you can further your agenda far more successfully through the political & humanitarian goals of self-determination, than with declarations of intended genocide. Indeed it was only well into the 1970's that the Arabs themselves began basing their campaign on Palestinian rights. Before that they had a far more candid approach and openly demanded that the Jews be driven into the sea. From 1948 to 1967 Gaza & the West Bank were occupied by Egypt and Jordan respectively, yet during this 19 year Arab occupation there were no calls for a Palestinian state in these territories and none was formed. However while still occupying these lands the PLO was created in 1964, making it clear that, then as now, the only land designed for 'liberation' was Israel itself. Having created the Palestinian issue the Arab & Islamic world are now using the diplomatic, media and humanitarian arenas to portray Israel as the aggressor/occupier, duping the world into believing their distortions while concealing the true context of their ultimate goals. Something which groups like Hamas are quite brazen enough to share with the world in their charter.
71. #61; BDS, Most people think the blockade is illegal
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (09.16.10)
But it isn't, Just because a majority of people think something, doesn't mean it is. After all here in the U.S. Blacks didn't have the right to vote, nor did women. But the majority isn't the law, it's mob rule. The fact is, other legal experts think the settlements to be completely legal. If you read the website I referred you to clearly it is settled law. So just because they say settlements are illegal does not mean they are. That was my point, and I stand by it. Article 49 of the Geneva convention does NOT apply, period. It doesn't matter how many people say it does. Unbelievably you say intent doesn't matter. Here in the U.S. it matters, and it matters a lot. When deciding a Constitutional issue at the Supreme court, it is exactly what they do. They look at what was written, and the intent, at the time it was written, then determine if you can apply that law to a current or modern situation. Of course you would apply that same logic when determining whether the Geneva convention article 49 applies to the issue of settlements. It does not. so CASE CLOSED. It is not a popularity contest, otherwise all you have is mob rule.
72. To: No. 56
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.17.10)
You seem a bit functionally illiterate. Israel is no longer the largest recipient of United States aid; hasn't been for some time, actually. Get your facts straight.
73. no.28
hebrew prophet ,   israel   (09.17.10)
It,s the centuries old proverb of fooling some of the people (Palestinians)all the time Mark ,all the Palestinian sheep who can,t or won,t demand the evacuation of the Hashemite clan of Jordan/Palestine and permit the PLO/Fatah PA authority to get crackng by declaring Amman as the capital of Palestine and start building civil society ,run by the people for the people ,in true democratic fashion ,with hundreds of billions of Palestine exiles tax dollars used to pay civil servants etc. in the Palestine state ,but obviously ,with statehood comes res ponsibility ,which Palestinians ,after 62 years od intransigence and belligerence ,don,t yet understand ,far easier to blame the Zionists ,who accepteed their state and got on with the job of good sound governance as it should be?
74. no.60
hebrew prophet ,   israel   (09.17.10)
Sorry David ,but the very same International Court of Justice has called for the arrrest of the Muslim butcher of Sudan Omar al Bashir ,on charges of genocide,war crimes ,crimes against humanity ,in Darfur ,so why the hypocrisy now ?
75. #56 ARMS SALES TO THE ARAB WORLD
chris ,   wales   (09.17.10)
The world constantly ridicules Israel for the amount of US support it gets. The same entities ignore how the US, the West and Russia supplies the Arab and Islamic world with combined military hardware which dwarfs that provided to Israel, and they scream about how Israel possesses an alleged nuclear deterrent. Clearly they are concerned that it is becoming increasingly difficult to destroy Israel by conventional means, having already failed on a number of occasions.
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