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Netanyahu to US: I'm leading Israel's policy
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 29.09.10, 13:01
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1. Wrong! Bibi elected by the people.
David ,   Shiloh Israel   (09.29.10)
Bibi, we the people of Israel, elected a right wing government to serve us, not foreigners. As long as we are still a democracy, we can elect someone more representative of our unique needs. Don't be surprised to find your renegade FM being promoted to our next PM! Most sane Tel Avivians don't relish the idea of looking a few kilometers to their east to find the central hill country taken over by the aging Abbas' successors. Israel is well defined, so are the Jewish nation living here. I suggest that you take heed of the saying about fooling some of the people some of the time. WE elected this government, not Obama, and certainly not Abbas. Yes, we do seek peace, but not under any circumstances, and certainly not one that includes creating so much division between our people. Peace between Jews in Israel (Shalom B'bayit') is probably more important to most Jews right now.
2. Netanyahu's #1 Commitment
Marcel ,   Florida   (09.29.10)
His number one goal is to keep his masters in Washington happy and if that meas that Israel suffers thats part of the deal. That is why Barak's foul mouth is never silenced but common sense from Lieberman throws the quisling Netanyahu into enough turmoil that it troubles the disingenous empire. Beware of the fake peace pimps and their fake smiles.
3.  in other words :Lieberman is nothing but a Loser :)
Salma ,   Palestine   (09.29.10)
Now Bibi lead "Israel" to extend settlement freeze in preparation for demolishing. No Time to Waste.
4. What's the policy?
al mann ,   Jerusalem,Israel   (09.29.10)
What is the ideology? Where are we headed? What's the goal? Do the people agree? Does anyone really care about the people, the citizens?
5. Salvadore Dali + George Orwell
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (09.29.10)
Let's not forget ''Alice in Wonderland'' either. Mix well, add a stiff dose of hypocrisy, a shovel load or two of BS, et voila, the Peace Process Recipe. Half-baked, serves no one.
6. Reality
Simon ,   HCMC Vietnam   (09.29.10)
Lieberman is this small boy from the Anderson’s fairytale “New King’s dress” who screamed that the King is necked!
7. #3 Liberman is the only politican who tells the true.
Israel   (09.29.10)
so far everything Liberman has said is all true. Most arabs are against israel and it is time to distinguish between arabs who support israel and arabs who don't. impossible to claim that all the palestinians or israeli arabs are willing to recognize right to exist. while there are many radical ones, who support terror
8. PM leading Israel's policy ?
DT ,   TA Israel   (09.29.10)
Doesn't seem that way. More like Barak and the Left are and PM has got himself in a bind of his own making
9. THIS IS A POLITICAL JOKE WITH NOTHING LOST NOR GAINED
stude ham   (09.29.10)
other than liebermann should have been removed from high office a lot sooner than this.
10. David #1: You did NOT elect a right wing govmnt.
Steve Klein   (09.29.10)
If you voted for Likud, you voted for a left wing government. If you voted for Israel Beiteinu, you voted for a left of center government. You voted for a party of territorial surrender. Please be honest David, if only with yourself. Likud since Menachem Begin, is a party of surrender and retreat. Since Begin surrendered to Jimmy Carter at Camp David, Likud has been a party of defeat, even though there are a few members who are not defeatists. The party itself has sold out to immoral American / international pressure. Did you not see where Netanyahu stood just before hundreds of thousands on the right voted for him and Likud February 2009? Did you see what he did to Feiglin, moving him from the #20 slot he earned to #36 slot, thus depriving him of a seat in the Knesset. This is not about Feilin per se - it is not right that Feiglin is urging his supporters to vote Likud because Likud has sold out. It is about integrity. Mr. Netanyahu apparently does not have the integrity to brook any dissent within his party when he is clearly on the wrong path; when clearly he is wrong. No dissent will be tolerated by this man. Why did the political right in Israel waste its vote on parties of retreat and surrender rather than voting for "land of Israel" parties like National Union who are unalterably opposed to territorial compromise? Why does NU have only 4 seats in the Knesset when it is a truly right-leaning party committed to the land of Israel? Why David? How can you claim that you voted for a right wing government David when you did nothing of the sort? When will the right in Israel wake up and stop wasting its vote of advocates of retreat and surrender?
11. no.10
hebrew prophet ,   israel   (09.29.10)
Hey Steve you need to relax somewhat as both Bibi and Avigdor know what they,re doing and why ,that,s why Bibi didn,t make the speech at the UN himself but left it to his Foreign minister Avigdor,now the Arabs/Palestinians are really caught between a rock and a hard place ,meaning they (Palestinians) will have to see this peace talks issue to the bitter end ,even with the suspended settlement freeze moratorium ,rather clever of Bibi?
12. what a joke
Alex ,   Zurich   (09.29.10)
Liberman is a total joke! And Israel with him as a foreign minister is losing all credibility
13. To Steve #10 - Clarification
David ,   Shiloh Israel   (09.29.10)
I actually voted National Union as you recommended in your comments, and later after the election, also got caught in the Feiglin entrapment plan about joining Likud to expedite changes from within. However, the general understanding prior to the election, based on Bibi's platform, did lead the majority of Israeli voters to elect a 'general' government opposed to selling out our beloved country by creating an enemy sovereign entity within. That was evident in the collapse of Labour, and failing support for Kadima's policies of appeasement. Steve, you are right in suggesting that the nation that exports democracy has a clause attached, which suggests that there's only one dictorial form of democracy, theirs! Shalom.
14. "Hebrew Prophet" #11
Steve   (09.29.10)
Hebrew prophet, I've been in politics a few years. I've seen this (your rationale) a good deal from partisans on both sides. They take this line that Bush or Obama is playing a clever game. "He knows exactly what he is doing." 'George W. Bush played a clever game' when he came out with all this "Islam means peace" rhetoric. Bush played a clever game of good cop / bad cop when he sent Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice out to condemn Israel, all the while Bush said "Israel is our friend." Same holds true with Obama. Very clever these politicians. These two are really great friends. But they are both clever. So this (your) rationale goes. Interesting you call yourself a Hebrew prophet. Let's talk about our Hebrew prophets. Did any of our ancient prophets commend "clever" kings, princes, priests, judges, etc., in Israel for their cleverness and their shrewdness? Do you think prophets like Moshe (Moses) or Nathan would advocate that King David play clever games with the international community? Granted, the foreign minister appears to be further to the right than the prime minister with respect to this phony "peace" process but the FM's party (and the foreign minister himself) is also on record supporting territorial compromise. Rather than play clever games don't you think it is time to be honest with Israel's enemies and neighbors alike? Would honesty not be a better route? Wouldn't our prophets explain to the nations that the land of Israel belongs to the people Israel? Or do you think our prophets would advise our leaders to play clever games?
15. BIBI 'S TALK WALKS ......MAY LIBERMAN BE RESPONSIBLE ..
Benjamin ,   Singapore   (09.29.10)
IN FUTURE...... BIBI ALREADY DIRECTED -NOT TOP COMMENT ON THE DIRECT NEGOTIATION...NOW LEARN FROM THIS EVENTS.....BIBI WILL BE THE PERSON TO COMMENT ON THIS DIRECT PEACE TALK ! PLEASE DONT SHAKE THE TASE , IDOTS !
16. Thanks David #13
Steve   (09.29.10)
Good. I have discussed this with several on the right. I've been told things like, "how can I vote for men who have beards?" or they are 'too religious' or what have you. I am not an overly relgious Jew and I don't wear a beard (I shave) but I can sure vote for men with beards if we are on the same page politically, with respect to our land. This notion that Netanyahu's platform led to a general understanding among the voters is familiar. Remember many said the same thing about Ariel Sharon before he was re-elected in 2003? Then after thousands of Jews were uprooted from Gush Katif, Gaza and northern Samaria, folks on the right said "We were betrayed!" No, we weren't betrayed. People were not listening to Sharon. After 9/11, when Sharon capitulated to G. W. Bush's vision for a Muslim-enemy state in Israel (early October 2001), Sharon begain campaigning, "We will have to make painful concessions," and "A Palestinian state is inevitable." Voters were not listening to Sharon. He announced what he would do if he were re-elected and yet people on the right said, "don't waste your vote on a small party....a vote for a small party is a wasted vote. It's a vote for Amram Mitzna," ect. So the right voted for Sharon and we got Mitzna anyway. Same held true with Netanyahu. This is not about Feiglin per se. But when Netanayhu undermined the will of the Likud electorate in 2008, it was clear he had not learned from his past mistakes at Wye River. Remember: " Likud chairman Binyamin Netanyahu and three quarters of the Likud's candidates declined to sign a loyalty oath ruling out a Palestinian state that was distributed to all the parties on the Right. The oath, distributed by the Matot Arim organization, included a vow not to lend a hand to the formation of a Palestinian state...." Bibi won't rule out Palestinian state Gil Hoffman 01/27/2009 That is all we needed to know.
17. #14 Steve
Marcel ,   Florida   (09.29.10)
The majority of the Hebrew prophets were false prophets who licked the shoes of the political leaders of the time. Few were the prophets who went against the flow of clever lies,deception and betrayal. Yeremiah was the only Hebrew prophet in Israel who stood up againt the hundreds of false prophets to warn Israel of what was coming. No one listend to him as he spoke God's dire warning of what was coming to ISRAEL. The only thing that has changed is that Israel has no Yeremiah only the 'hebrew prophet' boot lickers who serve their 'false' idols with blind allegiance
18. #3 Lieberman is a winner.
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (09.29.10)
That's why Bibi would'nt dream of firing him.
19. Steve Klein In that case and if Netanyahu continuous in >
KATE ,   ISRAEL   (09.29.10)
Continuous in the vein you have written I feel certain he will be another Olmerd (heaven forfend) And should that occur the Israeli public have no other choice but THROW BB and his Leftists cohorts into the dustbin of history. Terry is right nothing but a mish,mash of unprecedented appeasement policy that has been carrying on for so many decades. I fear you are wrong in putting Begin in that mellee..He did his best but then the usual damnable pressure by the Americans resulted in giving away the Sinai. Until then Begin was a very courageous and honest man . I also put the blame on the FICKLE Israeli public.If you remember how they protested in front of Begin's home during the Lebanon war business. We Jews are our worst enemies of time toare the likes of Ayalon and primarilly LIeberman.He has the guts to tell it openly to BB and the rest of the meally mothed where their loyalties should lay,rather than hiding their true TWO FACED actions that has been the bane of our country I was under the impression the left had gone,but seems they are still working underground surreptitiously. It was understood we voted BB under the banner of a right ,platform rather than incorporating any lefties such as Barak in its MIX. I say out with Barak the sooner the better.Has BB the GUTS to adhere to it remains to be seen. And how long will this comedy will go on? Best thing should be is:A huge gatherings of hundreds if not thousands to protest to fill the streets without delay.And do so every single day until BB understands what he promised,but as yet he has not delivered.
20. Marcel #17: Right
Steve   (09.29.10)
My mistake. I should have been more specific. When I wrote "Hebrew prophets," what I meant was / were our true prophets that are canonized in the Hebrew Bible, the so-called "Old Testament." Of course there were many more "prophets" (false prophets) in ancient Israel who mislead the people; who were very "clever" people. There were a few false prophets (or priests) during the Exodus. Korach, the son of Izhar who rebelled against Moses, comes to mind. In every age, we have false prophets.
21. Kate #19
Steve   (09.29.10)
I hear what you are saying and I know my answer is going to be very difficult to accept. What Israel needs are leaders with faith in the Almighty. You wrote: "Begin did his best but then the usual damnable pressure by the Americans resulted in giving away the Sinai. Until then Begin was a very courageous and honest man....." Would a King David have caved to "the damnable (immoral) pressure by the Americans?" Or would he have told the Americans, "This is our land. We won it fair and square and we need it for our security." (?) Then you mention the "FICKLE Israeli public" who "protested in front of Begin's home during the Lebanon war business." I remember reading of the fickle Israeli public who time and again wanted to kill Moses and return to Egypt during the Exodus. I remember all the protests of the Lebanon war which was a good war by the way; a just war. Was it the Four Mothers Movement that led the protests? And I remember Ronald Reagan (who I voted for) when he became hysterical demanding Begin withdraw his forces from Beirut where the PLO and the murderous Yasser Arafat were surrounded and near the point of surrender. I remember Reagan sent in the US Marines to rescue the PLO, sending them to Tunis. I remember an Iranian agent, a Hezbollah suicide bomber blew up the US Marine barracks, murdering some 241 US Marines. I remember Osama bin Laden mocking the US because Reagan cut and ran from Lebanon after the suicide attack. He said the Americans are soft. When the going gets tough the Americans cut and run, he said. What Israel needs are men and women with faith in God; our God. The people will come along if they know they / we have resolute men of faith leading them. It is a matter of life and death. We are heading toward some very difficult days ahead.
22. #10 Steve. Israel INTENDED to elect a right wing government.
Chaim ,   Israel   (09.29.10)
#10 Steve. You make a good point. When Israel elected a Likud lead government, Israel INTENDED to elect a right wing government. However, Bibi took the votes of Israelis, under false pretenses, and is now implementing the reviled policies of Labor and Meretz. Bibi is betraying everything Likud stands for and everything Israel voted for. However, that does not negate the intention of Israeli voters. Bibi's betrayal of Likud and Israeli voters is unacceptable.
23. Chaim #22: Here's the problem
Steve   (09.29.10)
"Intent" is not good enough. Perhaps you can present something definitive on the Likud party platform currently. Likud has in the "past" ruled out a "Palestinian" state west of the Jordan river. "However (Likud) has also been the party which carried out the "peace" agreements with Arab states" beginning with Menachem Begin. According to Wiki: "With Likud back in power, starting in 2009, Israeli foreign policy is still under review. Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu, in his "National Security" platform, neither endorsed nor ruled out the idea of a Palestinian state...." Chaim, that means Likud endorses a Palestinian state. Furthermore, he and his party refused (in late 2008 or early 2009) to sign a simple pledge distributed by the Matot Arim organization, which included "a vow not to lend a hand to the formation of a Palestinian state...." This was before the February 2009 election. When Jews voted Likud, Jews voted for a Muslim-enemy state in Israel. What Jews intended to vote for is not relevant. Netanayhu and Likud support a Muslim state in Israel's heartland, just as PM Netanyahu announced in his June 2009 Bar Ilan speech. A "demilitarized" Muslim state is an illusion. We all know it will arm to the teeth. Neither was it relevant what right-leaning Jews intended to vote for when they re-elected Ariel Sharon in 2003. We are not listening. Sharon repeatedly stated, a "Palestinian state is inevitable." Why didn't the Right take him at his word? What Netanyahu did (late 2008) to Moshe Feiglin, denying him a seat in the Knesset was indeed relevant because he (Netanyahu) sought to suppress principled dissent -- prodded on by a J. Post Associate Editor. Then Mr. Netanyahu courted Kadima - the party of mass expulsion and retreat from Gaza and northern Samaria. He rejected NU as a viable coalition partner - prodded on by a J. Post Associate Editor - even as he courted Labor and Kadima. The Likud party, a few months back caved to Netanyahu's request that party elections slated to be held within months would be put off. Mr. Netanyahu will brook no "principled" dissent in his party. His party buckled under. Remember when Gen. Yaalon spoke out against surrender and was silenced? Rank and file Likud party members are willing to go along with this strict regimentation; this suppression of "principled" dissent. If you are against a Muslim-terror state in Israel, you will be silenced by the Prime Minister or by his associates. Likud is a party of surrender and retreat. It is abundantly clear to me. I could not vote Likud. I will only vote for NU or some other staunch "land of Israel" party. Why are people on the Right doing the same thing over and over again (voting Likud, Yisrael Beiteinu, etc.) hoping for different results?
24. #22 chaim
Marcel ,   Florida   (09.29.10)
After Netanyahu betrayed the voters in the late 90's he proved to be untrustworthy and yet the Israeli voters gave him another opportunity to betray them again. HE LAUGHS AT THE 'VOTERS'. Lets call them what they are ,naive foolsih,stupid voters. Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Man has not learned his lessons from history, therefore he is destined to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.
25. Steve For your reply thank you.And>>
KATE ,   ISRAEL   (09.29.10)
Putting our faith in G*D? well isn't Lieberman the one,who is not only a faithful servant of our Lord G*D but also he is a great patriot. Indeed Americans talk big,but when push comes to shove they tend to run like scared CATS.Musn't belittle them too much the poor lot do try,but get stuck in the end as they did in Vietnam,now in Afghanistan after nearly 8 years and still there. Which brings to mind:If the Russians could not win the battle after 8 years and left,what chance is there for the Americans to succeed> Zero expectation. Iraq?another blunder,all be it they rid the country of Saddam who was their favored against Iran and the fiasco by Carter who's legacy left behind with his inept presidency,worst Pres' ever.And now we are stuck with the problems with that fundental Islamist country. So Steve,who is worthy to run Israel now? You tell me..for I cannot think of anyone that comes to mind. By the way(I am quite young)but incredibly patriotic to my country ISRAEL. If I may all my families live in the north,South ,East and West spreaded throughout the country,and are at least 12 generations of them all. When I pointed out Begin I was right,don't you think? The latter Shamir was another who would have acted like Lieberman( I think.) A man of integrity,without any scandals to his name or reputation. embarrassed of the accolades almost shrinking in his seat. By the way:did you read(almost sure you must have)Begin's riposte to Washington? and the way he castigated the Reagan Administration etc,. Cannot go into it verbatim,but reading makes one wonder--where are yesterday's leaders. End of my reply .
26. For SteveFor your eply thank you.I reciprocated but!
KATE ,   ISRAEL   (09.29.10)
But when I tried to post it,supposedly the page was not avalable.I t was a log and good post, a pity I did not save it. We'll see if this short one does. When you mentioned we need G*D loving and true leaders? Well I thought but copuld not find or think of anyone except(now that is)Ayalon and of course :iLieberman who leans toward Judaism with fervor,but also is GREAT patriot. Since I cannot repeat verbatim all I wrote at least this short one may to thank you .
27. Kate #25
Steve   (09.29.10)
You seem like a wonderful young patriotic Jew; the kind we need now more than ever. I cannot say for certain, FM Lieberman is putting all his faith in God. I do enjoy his tendency to buck the Likud-party line which is more and more capitulation to immoral American pressure. On this I commend Lieberman. From what I have read from Lieberman and his party platform, his party does support territorial compromise, with some population exchange on both sides of a newly established border between Israel and "Palestine." Isn't the Palestine in Jordan enough Palestines? How many "Palestines" does the US want to establish in our land before the Muslims stop demanding more Palestines? I understand from a pragmatic viewpoint how Lieberman's position could be popular. I understand how it may appear to solve a seemingly intractable problem whereby we have a people living in our land who despise us and who want to destroy us. But I am not a pragmatist. I am an idealist. I do not believe in territorial compromise. "Not one inch." I believe the land Israel "re-acquired" largely through the 1967 Six Day war was a divine act; a miracle. I believe God returned to us (He gifted back to us) our ancient land and it would is a terrible betrayal to give any of this precious land to those who seek our annihilation. As to your question, who is worthy to run Israel now? I cannot say for certain. I am only speaking in terms of principle. My principle is that I would not vote for any political party that advocates or permits the relinquishing of our land under any circumstances. You may consider mine a "hard-line" or an uncompromising position. I cannot move from it. Even Lieberman, as much as I appreciate what he is doing and like him personally, I could not vote for him and his party so long as there are better parties to vote for. Yisrael Beiteinu and Lieberman support territorial compromise. There have been and still are small parties that do not support territorial compromise. They deserve support from the Right come election time.
28. #18 Forging my name on his posts
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (09.30.10)
...because the coward can't play fair, smears me with stupid false posts, and can't win an argument using his own name and brain.
29. Good cop, bad cop, manipulation and threats
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (09.30.10)
...to make the Arabs capitulate to agree to partition on Netanyahu's terms.
30. israelis voted for likud because
muhannad ,   jerusalem palestine   (09.30.10)
its the only part that can make peace, only the right wing can decide to make peace or not! and the israeli people is now ready for peace so thats why they elected likud, even tho kadima got more votes, but likud is the only party with power, go back in history and learn who signed peace with egypt. peace salam shalom
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