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Meridor: This isn’t the Israel we know
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 11.10.10, 08:21
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1. Meridor , Meridor.
Philip ,   Afula, Israel   (10.11.10)
You are keeping very bad company with the facist clowns .The silent majority loves your sanity and sekel.
2. Unecessary
zichron   (10.11.10)
The law is redundant and foolish as the jews will hold onto security with the memory of the past deeply entrenched into the souls of all good peoples. Jihadi Islam is leading itself to catastrophe to the stone age and the tragedy is the suffering of peoples that can still live in humanitarian human rights paradise.
3. National aspect Vs. humane one?
Israeli 2   (10.11.10)
When is becoming a nationalist not humane? I used to like merridor (perhaps because he looks like my uncle), but now? I wonder.
4. You Really Need an Ethics Committee With Teeth
Dav Lev ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (10.11.10)
"I pledge..and so on and so forth. We sing the national anthem..at sports, etc., events. I took an oath to the USA, shen I joined ciivil service. So what! Am I less an American a fascist? Come on guys, get real. An oath just instills a sense of loyaty to ones country..but in the event of sedition, well! Dont want to do th etime, dont commit the crime. There is entirely too much protest (illegal) in Israel from all sides. Arabs protest this, and Jews protest that. Sometimes becoming violent and deaths/injuries. Everything iin Israel becomes a big magilla., contentious. What Israel really needs is a strong Knesset ethics committee..for people like Tibi,etc. You give info to the enemy o rsupport..leave the country, or better, serve time..25 to life. Watch our hearings on 2 legislators..for some real action. And they aint the likes of Tibi.
5. In France when you become a citizen
M.Oliver ,   Tel Aviv   (10.11.10)
you GET BORN AGAIN. They issue you with a NEW birth certificate. In USA you have to take something akin to an oath, in the UK you have to agree to principles of blah-blah-blah AND pass the language test these days. There's nothing fascistic about it. Treason laws are based on the same concept.
6. Illogical....Unworthy....
Tim ,   Brighton   (10.11.10)
Do they think by simply swearing and oath to the Jewish State this is going to make any immigrant Jewish, Muslim Christian Hindu or Buddhist or Agnostic more or less loyal? From where everybody sits - it appears simply a PR exercise Though an oath to Israels Democratic Values, Freedom of Speech, the Security of the Nation State, Freedom of Speech and Religion, Preservation and access of the Holyland to all, Stand against oppression and Genocide, In praise of Life and Living, Commitment to peaceful coexsistance - these are the values of the State of Israel WORTH swearing allegiance for WITH PRIDE BY ALL
7. New bill`s essence is to paralize ........
Nora Tel Aviv   (10.11.10)
in advance any possibility of the Palestinian return.The he minister of stategy does not understand this proposition made by the PM and accepted by a big majority votes.
8. What is really redundant is m.k.s that
jason white ,   afula,israel   (10.11.10)
retire from politics, then come back. Or ones that keep on sitting in the knesset for decades. Enough already! Two term limit. Then for the next three generations no relatives of these former m.k.s can have anything to do with politics. Finally we can count on these so-called intellectuals and artists and others to be against anything that will provide the state with security. Anything they do not like is facism and/or racism. But it is the same as their communism was. Let us be more secure and let us stop subsidizing these fools. Make sure everyone signs the oath, even if they were born here.
9. this is the "Israel" we know !
Salma ,   Palestine   (10.11.10)
Racist pretend to respect freedom of expression, Isn't it, Ynet?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10. #9 Actually, Salma, this is the Israel we know
Lisa ,   Israel   (10.11.10)
The Israel we know where there is open debate and people are not afraid to criticize the actions of the government. Where people stand up and defend the rights of minorities. How many Arab countries does that happen in? Salma, wouldn't it be in your better interest to work together with the Israeli who are against racist edicts, rather than calling all of us racists?
11. flaws
Victor ,   Toronto, CANADA   (10.11.10)
I believe that this law is a good one albeit contains unnecessary flaws: if the oath was also imposed on those who immigrate according to the Law of Return, it would be less criticized but also would impact Naturei Karta types
12. How can Israel PROVE "Jewish" if they act like non-Jews?
Shalom   (10.11.10)
How can Israel PROVE "Democratic" if they act like Communists?
13. #4, #5, Lev, Oliver
BDS   (10.11.10)
Of course, most countries have a loyalty oath of some kind, but to the state, not to one religion or ethnic group. Dav Lev, how would you feel about a US oath pledging loyalty to Christianity or to White Caucasian values?
14. why doesnt meridor worry about law of return?
zionist forever   (10.11.10)
If Merridor is so worried about alienation why doesn't he have any problem with the fact that national symbols are all jewish, working week is based in jewish law, the language is hebrew. Non of those things represent the non jews living in Israel but Meridor isn't saying change all that. I would have thought that sort of thing would have got the backs up of the arabs more than a loaylty oath because it affects them directly. The loyalty oath applies to non citizens who are looking for citizenship only so it doesn't affect the arabs. Israel is officially a jewish state and we are not asking people to swear loyalty to jews but to the country as a jewish state which is what it is official. They don't like it but even the arabs here accept Israel is a jewish state. It doesn't always work but legally Israel is a democracy Most countries demand loyalty oaths to anybody seeking citizenship. So why not Israel? He does not object to the Law of Retrun because he is worried how arabs will feel. There isn't an arab in Israel who does not object to that. Outside Israel there are alot of politicians and civilians in all fields who object to that law. When people call Israel racist etc its the law of return they quote not loyalty oaths for non citizens. Supporters of palestinian right of return always quote the law of return and say is it right that palestinians can't come back but jews from anywhere in the word have have a right to move to Israel. Meridor doesn't seem to worried about a law which does give Israel a bad image and is objected at home by the arabs and outside by arabs and non arabs alike. He is though very worried about asking people to swear an oath of loyalty.
15. I think most countries administer some sort of oath
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (10.11.10)
Although I agree it will be used by the Pallywood crowd to De-legitimize Israel, but what isn't anyways these days. For the last, almost 30 years, this has been the constant campaign against Israel. So stop basing all decisions on how the the antisemitic will use it against you. Personally, I think it is a reaction to the refugee question. As we all know there is NO such thing as a "right" of return. It simply does NOT exist, period. But where there are references (not rights, but suggestions) to Arabs or Jewish people being allowed to return to their homes after the 48 or 67 wars, or be compensated. It clearly is stated to be a two part arrangement. First, the people(Arab or Jewish) must want to return. Second, and more important, those wishing to return, MUST state they will live in peace with their neighbors. Again, as we all know, the Arabs who wish to return to Israel, want Israel's destruction. Therefore, they lose all reason for a return. Nobody would seriously expect any country to take in a hostile population. A group who are dedicated to destroying the country they say they want to return to. The very idea is ludicrous. So when it comes to this question, the answer is obvious, there will be no return to Israel. But only to the new Palestinian state they insist they want. So just as Israel absorbed all Jewish refugees, the new Palestinian state will absorb all Arab refugees.
16. 7# I agree with you
Alistair(Ali) ,   Sco   (10.11.10)
but its a pointless excercise very few palestinians would have ever returned the majority just want some compensation and the option to return
17. Columbus Was a Jew Guys
Dav Lev ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (10.11.10)
/We (US) have a Constitution, and the separatioh clause, which is constamtly being eroded. Jewish converts are successfully allowing more govt involvement in religious affairs.Sometimes it works the other way, as in the mosque incident ( freedom of religion). But basically, yes,we take an oath to the US, not a particular religion. The country was created that way, by our founding fathers, purposely, to avoid the pitfalls in Europe. It serves US well. Israel is far different. It existence and creation was specifically for the "Jewish" people, as a refuge, haven, whatever,from prosecution and compensation for the world's indifference during WW2. There is no comparison. The law of return and right of return are apples and oranges BTW. A country CAN and should LIMIT immigration..we do all the time. Some evade it. Try moving to Japan/Australia. People ( foreigners) born there are never Japanese. In Israel, Arabs are Israelis..even though many dismiss that reality as false (they are Palestinian).Israel should do what is good for Israel...it is a country of laws and the majority rules. I mean get real guys. Today in NYCity is the largest Columbus Day parade..people sing the national anthem..in NY?City on an Italian holiday. Are these people fascists? And he must might have been Jewish, right. Can a Jew move to a Muslim country? Go down the list.
18. #13 UK swears allegence to the Queen, head of the Anglican C
rebecca ,   modiin   (10.11.10)
Church!
19. If Jews needed to take special oath to be US citizen
Leon ,   US   (10.11.10)
would that bother you?
20. merridor comment
alexi   (10.11.10)
Merridor is a brilliant israeli who has the country's best interests at heart.And he may be right legally about the new oath.But he should learn from recent israeli experience. olmert offered the moon to abbas and no. Even he offered limited refugee return for which he should be jailed and abbas said no. Barak did the same thing and arafat said no. And within israel, you have some arabs who are being radicalized who are going beyond free speech to harm the state. eg Zoabi, Tibi to name just a few. They say that israelis are not indignous. Even barak obama got sold on this notion by his doctoral friend rashidi all ignoring that arabs took jewish homes through judea and samara. So lieberman, who all the elites condemn comes out and says no more: oath of allegiance, no more concessions, and no more chekoslovakia. These are good bargainning chips. yes-an throw in 800,000 jews displaced, and throw in part of jordan which is actually mandated land etc etc. merridor should learn the art of negotiation through power, not behave like olmert.livni/barak wimps. As for koucher and moratinos, the two of them are wimps personified and have no lessons to teach israel and lierberman was right to reject their meddling. And Ehud barak-well his party will be reduced to less than 10 in the next election as payback for his appeasement. sharon on his worst night, never behaved like barak who projects himself as a fearful weakling.
21. Leon #19 too late they do
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (10.11.10)
Everybody that immigrates to any country in the entire world except Israel has to take a special oath. That is the issue. We are the only nation in the world without one. Does that mean that everybody except us is racist? Immigration is not a right period. It is a privilege and the receiving country is free to impose whatever requirements that they want. If is that you must stand on your head and spit watermelon seeds into a cup forty meters away or whatever. Those that don't aren't allowed to immigrate, very simple. Don't like it - don't immigrate.
22. 19
Rosie   (10.12.10)
Absolutely NOT. NO one forces anyone to immigrate. Want to immigrate, meet the requirements of the country.
23. lol 18 Rebecca
Alistair(Ali) ,   Sco   (10.12.10)
The Queen is also Queen of Canada ,Austrailia,NewZealand and Head of the commonwealth her roll as head of the english church is symbolic and a title passed down from Henry the 8th when he broke away from catholisim so whats your point.
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