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Civil Marriage possible by weekend
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 03.11.10, 11:58
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31. #17 Love the stranger in your midst
Shalom ,   USA   (11.03.10)
Why should we welcome non-Jews in the Jewish state, and worry about their rights? Because the Torah tells us to. Exodus 22:21, Leviticus 19:34, Deuteronomy 10:19, Deuteronomy 23:7 all command us to love and respect the rights of the strangers among us, because we were once strangers ourselves in the land of Egypt.
32. #16 what on earth r u talking about?
(11.03.10)
clearly you have no understanding about anything to do with Jewish Halacha. Children born to a single mother are perfectly legitimate and Jewish (if she's Jewish) doesn't matter who the father is! With regard to the rest of your post what kind of sorry sapped discriminatory dribble are you spittin' up! Did you grow up in the south, Boy!
33. #28 please go read, then come back & tell us....
(11.03.10)
how many states in the United States still have homosexual marriage on their books? Doing that tiny bit of research is going to surprise you...you will learn that it isn't a national law passed by congress but rather a state by state law.
34. ok, does that mean that the Breslov Rebbi descendents....
L. Rivera   (11.03.10)
can bring their goyishe spouses and their goyishe selves to Israel and be accepted for marriage? or do they have to go through a conversion process first?
35. Great news but not enough
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (11.03.10)
In western civilization marriages are not a religious matter but a civil matter. In Israel also it should be changed that way while the religious weddings remain as an option to all according their religion weather they are Jewish, christian, Muslim, Hindu or anything they desire. While I support Israel as the state of the Jewish nation, I strongly believe that it should be secular in its laws, without discriminating anyone.
36. Civil Marriages
Olga ,   Karmiel   (11.03.10)
So if I declare to the Rabbitsnut that I am an atheist Jewess identifying as a Jewish National and do not adhere to Judaism, will I be allowed to have a civil-marriage ? And if my fiance is not an atheist but an adherent of Judaism who does not identify as a Jewish National, where do I stand ? Methinks lots of lovely lucres for the lawers and rabbis here.
37. They should legalise Gay Marriage
Liliane ,   Brighton, UK   (11.03.10)
Israel should legaliseGay marriage. It's high time.
38. Impliment it for ALL!!!
Israeli   (11.03.10)
I don't want to marry at the Rabbinut ever. I want the right to marry legally in a non-religious way.
39. So I guess gays could get married but only if one of them is
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (11.03.10)
not religious.
40. LET THIS BE A LESSON TO A JEWISH RABBIS...
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPORE   (11.03.10)
WHEN YOU GO ABOUT PUTTING UNDUE PRESSURE ON OUR CHILDREN, YOU DRIVE THEM AWAY.....TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO THEIR NEEDS IN LIFE. LUCKLY THE GOVT OF ISRAEL MAKE SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR THESE NEW COUPLES. LET THIS BE A LESSON FOR THE NASTY RABBIS !
41. Problem Remains the Same!
Solomon ,   Bklyn   (11.03.10)
This is good for non-Jews, I agree. But all those who are listed as Jews will still have to prove it in order to get a Jewish wedding ( as I understand the Rabbinate, if that's ever possible) and possibly show they are" orthodox enough". See #29, #35
42. good about time
oliver ,   eilat   (11.03.10)
Good about time I had to travel to Cyprus to get married to my Jewish wife,hopfully the law will also include all forms of civil marriage for all Israelis regardless of religion
43. Being "modern" may cause descendents problems later
Sue ,   Los Angeles   (11.03.10)
Children or grandchildren of these couples, born outside Israel, may later have difficulty proving they are Jews if they decide to have a religious Jewish marriage or make aliyah. Maybe it is not so important in Israel, but here in the U.S., if rabbis don't know your family, you must produce your parents' "ketubah" or "get."
44. Not a spectacular breakthrough
not excited   (11.03.10)
After 3,000 years our rabbis have finally decided to recognize marriages between a goy and a goy in Israel. Wow. Simply stunning.
45. Either allow proper civil marriage, or reform the rabbanut
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (11.04.10)
Israel's marriage system is bureaucratic, not halachik. You do NOT need the government to get married as a Jew - all you need is something of value and two witnesses. However, the marriage system in Israel employs thousands, and commands seculars and religious working people to pay $100 to "open a file", while haredi men who are paid by taxpayers to "learn" all day get a huge discount. Even though it would be the correct thing to do, making civil marriages in Israel is a threat to the bureaucracy. Instead of making the process better and easier for all citizens, the religiously dominated marriage bureaucracy has no incentive to do so. What? Serve the people? Who are we kidding?
46. Civil Marriage is meaningless...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (11.04.10)
....if it is not offered unconditionally to all citizens who want it.
47. #37 Actually, in a way gay marriage is legal in Israel!
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (11.04.10)
Gay common law marriage is recognized in Israel just as any common law marriage is. No difference at all. The only difference between common marriage and"offical" marriage in Israel is registering as married on one's identity card. Otherwise there is no difference in priveleges and oblications
48. Not so fast, how do you prove your not Jewish?
Nick Sporek ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (11.04.10)
49. #43
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.04.10)
So, if some rabbi is going doubt their Jewishness, they can always convert. And lemme tell you Sue, it ain't easy to get married here either, the rabbis are demanding more proof all and all the time that the participants are Jewish to be sure that the blood line is kept pure. Kind of like the House of Black in the Harry Potter books. People's civl rights shouldn't be influence by what may or may not happen in a future generation.
50. Dorothy , # 49
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.06.10)
Future generation , yes Dorothy , there are people , even seculars as i am , who think at the future . Where i lived , and was married , there was NO need for a religious wedding . My fiancee , a 100 % jewish girl , was member of a liberal congregation . So it would be normal to be married there [ i was'nt member of any one ] Well , because of the many "conversions" and mixed marriages performed there , and the suspicions that could arise , we went to a TRUE Orthodox Rabbi , and our children have'nt any problem .
51. To50 Kol Hakavod Charles
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (11.07.10)
52. Ora 51 , thanks but no "kol hakavod" needed
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.07.10)
53. 52Charles" thanks"is enough
ORA ,   Jerusalem   (11.08.10)
no ,what followed ,needed.
54. Ora , it was a NORMAL way for me
Charles ,   Petachj Tikva   (11.08.10)
and that was why no "kol Hakavod" was needed . But "mille fois merci"
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