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Israel: Norway inciting against us
Itamar Eichner
Published: 15.11.10, 09:15
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91. They are Sick people,Hope the Muslims take over their
chris joel ,   South Wales   (11.16.10)
Country and then they will Find out the truth..I Don't see any different to what the Nazis did in Preparing the then German people,to Demonize Jews enough so that the whole nation turns against them with reasons that seem Logical..I Think Norway is the most anti-Semitic Nation in EUROPE
92. Give it a rest
David ,   NY, USA   (11.16.10)
It is about time that Israeli crimes against humanity have been exposed. I am amazed that "Israeli firsters" would rather damn Norway's right to free speech than damn what is criminal, and inhumane. Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!
93. norway, israel and Jews
martin ,   stevenage uk   (11.16.10)
I note the many replies from norway for and against israel. unfortunately, norway today has become the most anti israel country in the free world. i am well aware of the hatred and ignorance portrayed by many towards the jews and israel. this will not change until the frp in particular will form the next govt. even the hoyre party is tainted by arab oil money. for all norwegians, if you really want to know how you are being lied to , check out the above website. the editors are NOT jewish. there is miff that, too, is pro israel and will portray the truth. regards quisling. check out storebrand, fred olsen, the former den norske creditbank and many other large organisations. they have been accused of profiteering from the nazis during the occupation. in norway, i was fortunate to have a friend who was a survivor from the "shetland bus," i sincerely hope for norway's sake and it's supposed demoicratic way of life, that it starts to be more truthful with its reporting. I am well aware of the fascist leftwing norwegian partners involved with the oslo accord. as a british tax payer, i am issed off that my hard earned monies go to the hateful self names palestinians (itself a british colonial term) suha (widow of yasser) arafat is paid an annual stipend of $80 million per year.from the PA. this will continue while she remains quiet about her late paedophile husband's death and she must remain on the island of malta. so joergen how do you like that?
94. Nonsense pt. 2
Erik ,   Norway   (11.16.10)
I'd like to make it very clear for all of you who only listen to the right-wing sources screaming "Anti-Semitism" at everything they dislike. Norway isn't even a part in this so called "scandal" that the Israeli media has managed to create all on its own. All the Noregian government does is to support the arts. Norway has no oficial policicy of discrimination, and even i Norway's official policy WAS to support independent artists critical of Israeli policies, this is still not a matter of anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism is used as a buzzword to shut up those who have legitimate criticism against Israel and its treatment o Palestinians. It's equal to me accusing Israelis of hating Norwegians as an ethnic group because these Israelis happen to disagree with whaling! Do you see how little sense this makes? Bringing up the "Anti-Semitism Card" every time you disagree with something, only delegitimises and cheapens the meaning of the term. People like Chris from Wales, and others, have a strange obsession with Muslims in Norway, when the real matter is a) freedom of speech by independent Norwegian artists, b) the misuse of the label "anti-Semitic" to shut up legitimate criticism towards Israel, c) a disproportionate and irrational response from Israel regarding criticism of its policies, and d) that Israel needs to take responsibility for its treatment of the Palestinians. When pro-Israelis learn to not spout ignorant and hateful things about others, we who're critical of Israel (like we should be of ANY nation), wll listen to you patiently and have an open dialogue with you. Unfortunately, we're only met with lies, insults, distortions and hatred. My people are painted as monsters, when we're only normal people like anywhere else. Where does this demonisation of my countrymen get you, pro-Israelis?
95. A blog with many twisted minds...
Jens Jarva ,   North Cape   (11.16.10)
showing us that certain Christians, Jews, and right-wingers can be at least as troublesome as certain derailed Muslims and Hindus. Cooking an ugly stew, that the rest of us will have to handle; regardless of whether we are Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, Hindus, or something else. But, I suppose we cannot save these people from themselves. At least not quickly, though some of the craziest 68-ers reformed themselves, so there might still be hope for these right wing and religious counterparts.
96. to # 93
Erik ,   Paris   (11.16.10)
I would be surprised if Jørgen doesn't have more important things to worry about than what happens to your tax money. Just a guess.
97. #94 Erik
chris ,   cardiff   (11.16.10)
I Am Truthful about my Own Country's anti-semitism,but you are Dishonest. You said "Anti-Semitism is used as a buzzword to shut up those who have legitimate criticism against Israel and its treatment o Palestinians." Problem is,Israel is not Getting Fair Criticism but Blamed for everything,blamed for Deaths of Palestinians who get killed because Hamas use them as weapons..The World care less of the Facts so long they don't Upset the Arab World that all that matters to them. and also you mentioned Israel's Treatments of Palestinians..Do you know Israel treats them better than Palestinina Authority,Plus Hamas,Treat them..Do you know that Last week Israeli Jets Called Aborted two Missions because there seem to be a civilian round the tunels..I think Norway would not stand back if Sweden allowed Arab Terrorists to Send 10,000 Rockets to Olso within a space of 5 years..and from the area Israeli pulled out their troops and people from. I am British but I Am Ashamed to say it because we are just as bad! But as a Christian,I MUST Support Israel and defend their right to have the land Which has always been theirs since over 3000 Years ago. And also Norway should be more concerned how the Arabs treat their own people never mind Non Citizens..Israel is a spark of light in a very dark spot on our earth. Israel is a democracy..they are like you and Me,,why would we want to side with those who have vowed to Kill them all?tell me please?how come Israel is treated different to everyone else and the UN Always Follow the wishes of the Arabs when they bring charges against Israel,Charges that are committed by the Arabs themselves then blamed on Israel..Hamas have admitted to using their Chidren,,YOU SHOULD Condemn this! Israel is Isolated and Hounded just like what happened in the 30's and since their beiginning in fact.. Eric,I AM SO HAPPY that I have read the Bible to find everything we see today is WRITTEN!! zechariah 12 for example talks about a Resrored Israel and all nations Turning against them OVER THE ISSUE OF JERUSALEM,,that chapter is one of Many! IN FACT,140 Prophecies about MODERN Israel..SURELY God can't have made a mistake.. Jews are no better and no worse than anyone else..they have a democracy while the Arabs have Tyrrany! I have made my case just in that last statement alone!
98. #92 Finally, a decent voice of sanity
Leon ,   Ottawa, Canada   (11.17.10)
Bravo Norway! Israel calls itself a democracy, Well when 'democracies' attack and slaughter (Cast Lead) a defenceless pop. and create the largest open air prison in the world, we must condemn this war crime. Israel calls it incitement, but how can it be incitement when Israel is the one committing these atrocities. If Israel doesn't like "Tears for Gaza," well stop starving and killing the people of Gaza.
99. Norway
azbob ,   carefree, usa   (11.17.10)
Exactly,#28. It is the actions of Israel.....and the facts in Gaza and the settlements and the occupation.....which causes the rising anti-semitism. When Israel gets behind the Green Line attitudes will change. Not until then, however.
100. #89 "your genocidal policies against the people of Gaza"?
Tahl ,   Ashdod   (11.17.10)
With this entirely baseless and utterly stupid phrase, you have lost all credibility. For your own beneft, go out and do something more productive than writing talkbacks here - go shopping, get a suntan, or do anything which better suits your intellectual capacity.
101. Slowly but surely
world peace ,   World, Solar system   (11.17.10)
I say slowly, but surely... Just as it took sometime to expose the evil nature of the Nazis...There is always a day of reckoning for every evil / criminal...
102. To the Norwegian posters
BH ,   Iowa   (11.17.10)
From the comments here it sounds like you folks are part of a silent majority in support of Israel. The anti-Israel mob in your country may be loud, violent, visible, organized and well connected but they may be in the minority. My suggestion would be to try to network using social media or organize in the churches to push back against this mob. Once large, visible and vocal support for Israel is seen by the public then at least one party will have to represent your views. G-d Bless and Good Luck!
103. #92 & 98
chris ,   wales   (11.17.10)
There is only Criminality happening among the Islamic Arab Surrounding Nations,Including Gasa when they Hide behind their own Children as they ahve Proudly Admitted! I will not stop bye and let both of you Anti-Semitic Scoundrels get away with your Lies! as for "CAST LEAD" Recently hamas admitted most of the dead where Militant..But do the UN care about that?as for the dead,they where uses by Hamas as Human Shields..Now Get a life both of you and Realize that hatred of Jews is a Germ that have always been with us!
104. To Chris (No. 97)
Erik ,   Norway   (11.17.10)
Chris, I've acknowledge that anti-Semitism exist EVERYWHERE in the world, but the comments on this site, and the article itself would suggest that Norwegians are all Jew-hating monsters, when that's far from the truth. In fact, anti-Semitism among native Norwegians is among the LOWEST in Europe! During WWII, Nordic countries saved thousands of Jews from the Nazi occupiers. Norwegians saved around 1,000 out of the 1,800 Jews living here. After the war, Norwegians would welcome Jewish children to summer camps, and give Israel gifts like shoes, even when we had very little here due to the war. Look up ThanksToScandinavia.Org. Pro-Israelis need to understand that 95% of people who criticise Israel aren't Jew-haters. Sure, there ARE Jew-haters, but they don't just talk about "Oh, those poor Palestinians!", the REAL Jew-haters talk about another Holocaust, gassing, the Jewish media conspiracy etc. I'd say almost every single Norwegian is critical of Israeli policies out of humanitarian concerns. We're told to give to poor children in Gaza, just like we gave to Jewish children after WWII. Does that sound like rabid Jew-haters to you? Pro-Israelis are actually hurting their own cause by labeling decent, normal people who disagree with Israeli policies, Jew-haters, anti-Semites, Neo Nazis etc. It's very damaging to Israel's image, in fact, to tell critics of Israel that they're all anti-Semites, in the hopes of shutting them up, because all Israel does is tell the world that you don't have the freedom to disagree with Israel, unless you want to be labeled as some terrible, anti-Semitic David Duke clone. Truth is, Israel has done wrong things, as have other countries. The difference is that other countries can't label critics racist for speaking out against their policies. If I speak out against Burma, they can't label me racist and expect to get any credence. Somehow, that's different with Israel though. By the way, it's exactly BECAUSE Israel calls itself a democracy, that the world expects more from Israel than from, say, Hamas. Same thing with the USA. We expected them to NOT torture people, yet they did. I can't really comment much on scripture, as I'm not religious, but I can say that religion proves to be another excuse for the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis.
105. Norway and Israel
drb ,   Oslo, Norway   (11.17.10)
The Norwegian population is divided when it comes to Israel. If you look at the shooting incident in June this year, there was, according to different polls, about 50 % who condemned the killing of the Palestine supporters. The rest was either indifferent or positive. The Norwegian Government is gradually loosing more and more support, and Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre has now the same skin color as a dead man, and he looks more and more frightened, day by day. The Norwegian Government is loosing control over absolutely everything in the society, and they are also beginning to realise what it actually means to have 200000 Muslims inside the boarders, and what Islam really is. They are not those innocent teddy bears they thought they were. It will only be a question of time before Norway have terrorist attacks. The support for Israel, among Norwegians, will grow in the future because more and more will see what Islam really is, and they will see that Norway and Israel have common enemies, and many will also see that the Palestinians are fighting against Israel, not because of Palestine, but because of Islam.
106. Norway never "contributed" to the Holocaust.It was occupied!
Ivar Jakobsen ,   Oslo, Norway   (11.17.10)
Norway never "contributed" to the Holocaust.It was occupied by Germany! In fact Norway has been the biggest friends of Jews and had perhaps the most intense education and focus on Jews suffering in all of Europe. I'm 40 years old and during ALL of my growing up there was _always_ a program about one aspect or another of WWII relating to the Jewish suffering during the war and the Holocaust on the _one_ TV channel we had that _everyone_ watched, _every_ night. Along with School history focusing immensely on WWII and the Holocaust. EVERYONE had to read one of the grimmest books on a Holocaust survivor ever written. When Israeli zionists nationalists have managed to destroy _all_ of the sympathy Israel had, do NOT come to _us_ with your phony complaints! Israeli government finances films all the time!
107. Freedom of Expression
Yaakov H ,   United States   (11.17.10)
Norway hides behind the mantra of supporting "freedom of expression" I'll bet that I can come up with "Thinkers" of the past or write a book on my own that their liberal mind set would prevent it from being printed and distributed!
108. #89 Oh those big bad Israelis
Cynthia ,   USA   (11.17.10)
Thousands of kassams bashed Israel, increasing to 85 per day, before Israel launched the attack on Gaza. The Palestinians refused to stop firing kassams as their intention was to provoke Israel into a conflict as Hezbollah did in 2006. Either Greta has short-term memory of incidents leading up to the War in Gaza or she's another apologist for terror. Defending yourself against terror is not a war crime.
109. #98 Palestinans were not "defenceless"
Cynthia ,   USA   (11.17.10)
The population of Gaza is armed to the teeth. They proudly parade through the streets displaying their weapons. Homeowners get paid to allow weapons smugglers to tunnel under their homes. Those who fired rockets from Gaza and hid behind the civilian population also live in Gaza. The multi-million dollar weapons smuggling industry in Gaza is operated by local Palestinians. These weapons are intended to kill innocent Israeli men, women and children. Gaza is a self-imposed prison. They elect or refuse to cooperate or recognize Israel and continue to communicate through terror. The Palestinians suffer under this Hamas leadership where unemployment is estimated at 65% yet there is no shortage of expensive weaponry and we see no protests by Palestinians demanding improved living conditions under Hamas. They feel safer blaming Israel. People are not starving in Gaza. In fact, obesity appears to be a problem. Poor nutrition is not the same as starvation. Gazans do not practice family planning, women do not work but stay home to raise large families. These circumstances are driven by the Palestinians themselves. When you fire kassam rockets and bombs at your neighbor, don't be surprised when bombs fly back at you.
110. israelis must realise how badly false accusations backfire
Ivar Jakobsen ,   Oslo, Norway   (11.17.10)
I dont think israeli right wingers fully realise how quicly and how badly such false accusations and a such consant barrage of false and inane accusations backfires and will continue to backfire on Israel. But it seems that the leadership in Israel have finally wandered so far to the right that it is inevitably in their interest to create animosity, scare their own population: "look we were right, everyone hates us, so we can ignore everyone, they are all our enemies". I'm sure you do not realise this and it creates an environment where you will have no intellectuals and no real thinkers left, only rabid nationalists with an extremist paranoia equal to that of any neo-nazi movement anywhere in the world. It seems that concepts such as intellectualism, intelligence, oppression, living standards of others, empathy, etc. has no meaning in israel of today. You are or will be left with a "variety" of 20 different FOX News stations and internet "Newspapers". Doesn't this _scare_ any thinking adult in Israel? Or has the religious underlying notion of superiority already taken a complete hold over most everyone??? Are you at all aware that you are creating the conditions and breeding ground for all things evil both in the press rooms creating this kind of propaganda and in the nation you live in itself? Israel seems to be the most nationalistic nation on the planet right now. No other nation can subdue others so completely without facing international reactions. If you are at all serious adults, you need to start quitting this kind of propaganda. For your own good. We can only pity your delusions. Viewing us "goyim" as slaves or cattle only destroys and corrupts your minds, not ours...
111. So much hate ,...
split ,   US   (11.17.10)
Sarah and her hasbara venom spitting "crew" makes the case for Norway's govermant ,...
112. To Ivar Jakobsen - HONESTLY
Gabor Frankl ,   Budapest, Hungary   (11.17.10)
Ivar, could you please answer the following questions: - What would happen if a Norwegian animal lover, but still conservative or cantre-right activist were to make a film on thefavourite national patime of elementarily inethical, grossly immoral and in-"humane", crass and stomach-churning WHALE BUTCHERING and criticise it with all their force? - What would happen if you once, just ONCE in your life take the courage to face up and come to terms with your own nation's dastardly CRIMES, crimes against humanity and partake in Jewish genocide, instead of condoning it, trying to obfuscate it, wipe it off your mental radar screen etc. etc.? - What would happen if you at least found a speck, a teeny-weeny speck on the nonour of your country's and nation's history (and present, by the way) and admit it and acknowledge it honestly? - What would happen if you put aside your vainglorious smug self-righteousness, gross and ridiculous arrogance and admit that maybe your country not just the immensely hypocritically claimed "moral superpower" but a far darker place? - What would happen if you face up to the impeccable documentation of "Norwegian citizen's" comments on this thread at # 42, 46 and 51? Maybe you learned something instead of, sorry, being totally brainwashed by your state-funded, utterly biased, unreliable, Pravda-like national media about Israel and its predicament? And apropos, how on earth could it be that your country finances certain press-organs, newspapers under the rubric of cultural projects, which is inherently opposed to basic democratic principals? How is is that the majortiy of your compatriots have absolutely no problem with this grossly undemocratic stae of affaires? Israel does emphatically NOT "Call" itself democratic, it undoubtably IS in every and all sense of the word. Your country, however, I'm far from being so sure Ivar... Think about it all, just think about it!
113. #106: Read some history
Norwegian Citizen ,   Oslo, Norway   (11.17.10)
Recently there was an article in NRK and VG about how norwegians helped at the deathcamps during the naziregime. It's also no secret that Arbeiderpartiet gave jobs in the administration to alot of the nazi-collaborateurs after WW2. In the curriculum atthe University of Oslo, you also learn about how the Arbeiderpartiet helped the Naziregime to register and deport jews during the war. From more recent history you can also read about how norwegian UNIFIL soldiers helped lebanese soldiers escape Israeli soldiers at the KIAM prison in 1992.
114. #92 98 104
DR ,   UK   (11.17.10)
Your blanket statement re- anti-Semitism is often used by the accuser as a shield to avoid them being personally confronted with any criticism of being anti-Semitic, while at the same time enabling them to ridicule the victim and effectively say what he/she wants in relation to Israel and the Jewish people with relative impunity. Any aggrieved person being simultaneously intimidated/warned away any from responding with accusations of anti-Semitism – whether such is present or not rightly - for fear of even further ridicule. It damns the victim if he/she is silent or if they speak up. A very effective weapon for quelling freedom of speech and for the perpetration of racism and hatred. However, it is something that just won't wear. Anyone with the slightest level of discernment will be able to see the platform of such comments and whether they are anti-Semitic (hatred of the Jews) or not. Cloaked in the more socially acceptable political/humanitarian euphemisms of anti-Israelism or anti-Zionism it doesn't much effort on the part of a honest individual to see the basis of subsequent comments. Criticism of Israel, like that of any other nation, is quite normal as long as it is comparative, contextual, and fair. However, when the Jewish nation is the only party criticized for faults, often obsessively, that are far worse among other peoples, then such criticism crosses the line from being acceptable to being blatantly anti-Semitic. This applies to the individual, group, nation or media entity concerned. You talk of humanitarian concerns in relation to the Palestinians. Sorry, this won't do. If it was the Palestinian issue then you would be just as vociferous at their treatment by their own kind and by the Arab/Islamic world. Yet those who are immediate in condemning Israel respond with a thunderous silence in relation to the latter. Israel is all too often held to different standards of behavior expected of other nation states, particularly western liberal democracies. Israel is, of course, far from perfect, yet individual blemishes are magnified under the intense glare of international media coverage to create a disproportionately negative image of the country as a whole. Hamas continues to emphasize and promote the religious ideology that death for Allah is an ideal to be actively pursued. The goal is to convince Palestinians, including women and children, not to fear death but even to face it at the front to protect Hamas fighters. Hamas's placement of its military installations and fighters among civilians reflects this ideology, and senior Hamas representatives have expressed pride that the Palestinians "desire death" with the same intensity that Israelis "desire life." The following is the full text of the comments by Hamas representative Fathi Hamad: - "For the Palestinian people death became an industry, at which women excel and so do all people on this land: the elderly excel, the Jihad fighters excel, and the children excel. Accordingly [Palestinians] created a human shield of women, children, the elderly and the Jihad fighters against the Zionist bombing machine, as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: We desire death as you desire life." Where are the condemnations from Norway in relation to this as they embrace and reach out to the Palestinian Authority and its minions who have a similar agenda?
115. Oslo terror
yuval   (11.17.10)
They will change their mind once the Islamist terrorist take on Norway's trains,hotels or god knows what, as long as many civilliens die. THEN, we will see some real Norwigian "art" and "culture"...
116. Hypocrite
(11.17.10)
What about Israeli children who were murdered? Who will cry for them? Obviously not you... Israeli soldiers die defending us, and after eight years of silently suffering their bombardment without any aid we had full rights to defend ourselves. It appears only Jews care about Jewish children, while almost everyone else cares only about balistinians (they can't pronounce their own name...)
117. Please explain
(11.17.10)
What arrogance, what fascism?
118. # Erik 94
chris ,   cardiff   (11.17.10)
But because they are a Democracy they should be Praised not Condemned when they are not even Guilty..There are many Democracies in the world and they don't get held to a higher standard,,Not having a Democracy is no excuse either...Israel is behaving Different anyway so what more do they have to do? Israel is Condemned by Nations because the Arabs themselves bring the charges and want to deflct attention from their Own Crimes..Arab Regimes get away with Murder because they spend most of their time Accusing Israel at the UN For things Israel did not do.. and also I Blame the UN for Forcing Israel to end wars early..Israel is now facing another war abd hezbollah is more armed..ALL BECAUSE THE UN GOT THEM OFF THE HOOK.. AS FOR THE BIBLE,,The Bible is the Bible,,You cannot accuse this of being used by the Israelis because they don't...it the Arabs who use religion as you well know..But FOR ME,It does matter what the Bible say because IF YOU Understood it,You would understand Why everyone must not Push Israel around..Don't think it religion,,We are dealing with the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE Here and What he decided will Happen in the end! we have opinions but He Will decide the Borders and indeed has already,But the World is Opposed to God's will and ways! Don't Belittle the Word of God because you will find when your time comes,You will realise how Important the Word of God really is! Thanks
119. Never again!*
Scott Smith ,   Weakbeer, UT, USA   (11.17.10)
*Unless they are Palestinians under Israeli rule.
120. To#118: Your second paragraph sounds a little too jihadistic
Jens Jarva ,   North Cape 245 d/yr   (11.17.10)
and fundamentalistic to me. It is not the pleasant kind of Cristianity I saw as a child, but rather an uglier form which seems to be common in some partly derailed churches. But then, the destructive, egocentric and derailed causes can be found in many places, as can those serving humanity. If I was religious, I would think that the Jahve/Allah some really devote followers worship has a name starting with S.
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