easy way out not to blame the failure of the government they see it coming long hot summer no firefighting readiness shame

started and who started it. There is no privacy anymore. Charge them with negligent homicide in juvenile or adult courts if that is the fire that caused the 41 deaths. And find who started the other fires which with digital photo identification should not be too difficult from Google Earth photos and charge them with negligent homicide.

that's bad. change it

Hooky is only played about a billion times a year around the world (kids say they go to school, but skip it instead) . Was mom holding 16 year olds hand while in class???? we will wait for proof. it was clearly negligence, but 40 something lives lost, and 4 million trees on 40 square kilometers isnt erased by it just being negligence.

I'd hate to be in the shoes of whomever started that fire and the deaths of 42 innocent people.

You surely remember on 25 July 2010 there was a horrific fire which threatened to destroy Hadassah hospital and destroyed a large part of the forest around the hospital. That fire was started by a group of Ultra-Orthodox youngsters who saw that the their camp fire went out of control. So they ran away and were afraid and forgot to tell anyone about it. Back then on 25 July 2010 did you demand that they be charged with negligence in causing a fire and threatening to burn down one of Israel's largest hospitals? Or is there another reason for today's hyperbole from you?

I come from Cape Town South Africa, where I saw many fires on the fancy Table Mountain. When those fires were started by people, those people were charged and where possible, convicted and punished. it did not matter if they were black, white, local or tourists. Same goes here. And I'm sure the Hardi kids were punished. Why do u assume #2 would not want that. Who's the racist here?

I followed the matter very carefully and I am very sure NO CHARGES WERE FILED! regarding #2's comments I didn't assume anything I asked questions! Questions are not assumptions or presumptions they are only questions. What racism are you speaking about? Druze, Arabs, and Jews are all members of the same Mediterranean ethnic group!

Did people die in the fire? Then the children should be charged for negligent homicide in juvenile or adult court. When Antonio Tafolla of Kings County, California, fired a weapon in Lemoore after his son was born, he was sent to prison for 12 years when he was not robbing anyone or shooting at anyone. He was only 18 years old, but was held responsible for his actions. It would have been a two year sentence, but he was in a gang since that is the only was Hispanics have friends in Central California except for relatives, they say. Starting a fire, even accidentally, is worse, especially when people die. A woman in Colorado was sent to prison for six years for accidentally starting a forest fire from a campfire and she was a Park Ranger who worked for the Federal Government!

are based upon the errors committed at the Our Lady of the Angels Fire in Chicago on 1st December 1958. In that fire 92 children and 3 nuns were killed. In 1962 a boy who had been a student at the school at the time admitted to setting a small fire inside the school which resulted in the deaths of 92 children and 3 nuns. Neither the boy who confessed and later recanted nor anyone else was ever prosecuted for that fire. Do you see how my example stays on subject and refers back to a fire related event -- do you think you could do the same? or is that too difficult for you? or did you want to send in the Biblical Code interpretations about why it is that in Chicago on 1st December 1958 a fire started and in the Carmel on 2nd December 2010 a fire started? or did you want to answer my questions in post #6? or are you going to do what you do best and just BABBLE ON AND ON into the night in your typical MINDLESS GADFLY manner? Nighty Night!

and in Chicago in 1958? Fires start when flint and steel come together to create a spark. That is how a fire starts. Why did the fires start? First ha'Satan (also known as Lucifer and Helios) goes to YHWH and asks for permission to strike a target to test the target to see if the person(s) curse God or remain faithful in the case of God's people, just as ha'Satan went to YHWH to get permission to afflict Job. Remember? Then ha'Satan provokes an attack through demons who influence a person's mind to do harm to others accidentally or on purpose. Gee, I feel so flattered you are as annoyed at me as you are at Edithann. I guess you miss me. How's your Abba?

involving YHWH and ha'Satan... maybe there were nothing wrong with the "people", and the "punishment" or "test" wasnt meant for them ? maybe it was a "test" for your wideley viewed "arrogant" right wing government. that they have to come to their senses, and see, they cant act against the intl community as they like, that they - indeed - NEED THEM. to make your right-wing government more humble - and bring them back to the worlds society, by showing them, that we need and have to support and respect each other ? that we are one world, and we have to go along with each other. that turkey was brought back, to give bibi - maybe a last (?) - chance, to make peace with them ?

You dont know the poster from a hole in the wall and yet accuse her of something she never did? Are you on the right medications?

We are dealing with someone who jumps to conclusions about people she doesnt know, and about words that were never said. Rivkah never said anything about a fire from July that killed no one and destroyed les sthan 0.1% of the trees detsroyed here. Unless peppermint hysterics is a talkback stalker Id say she is intoning that people named Rivkah must not act for justice because their name is Jewish. How else to interpret the long string of hystrionics on this thread when you rightly called her out for her projecting her OWN racism. LOL. Isnt that how it often is? Pot calling the kettle black.

your question for rivkah was definietly assuming she other motivations for seeking justice in this carmel fire horror story. I count 3 questions in that post of yours intoning rivkah a) knew about the much smaller incident in july (no one died, & 0.1% of carmels area burned) b) didnt want to seek justice c) didnt want to seek justice only b/c they were Jews d) wants to seek justice here b/c they arent Jews. To assume this about someone you dont know says a lot more about your stereotypes than anything others have written here. Night Night?? Are you 5 years old? " 6. #2 did u say the same thing on 25 July 2010? You surely remember on 25 July 2010 there was a horrific fire which threatened to destroy Hadassah hospital and destroyed a large part of the forest around the hospital. That fire was started by a group of Ultra-Orthodox youngsters who saw that the their camp fire went out of control. So they ran away and were afraid and forgot to tell anyone about it. Back then on 25 July 2010 did you demand that they be charged with negligence in causing a fire and threatening to burn down one of Israel's largest hospitals? Or is there another reason for today's hyperbole from you?

Actually Rivkah did respond with examples of arson , homicide, and justice served. That would be called a parallel example of this case here in Israel. Or in your haste to be vindictive, anti semitic, and stereotyping, did you forget to read? Babbling, gadfly manners (how witty), and night nights are all on your talkbacks.

Since I don't remember that fire and apparently you do, did 41 people die in that fire? Did anybody die in that fire on July 25, 2010? If nobody was killed do you think one is more serious than the other? P.P. Writes: "Or is there another reason for today's hyperbole from you?" So I ask you the same question as you. In addition, why your hollow indignation regarding this matter?

Lol...you're different,that's for sure. Edithann is just a hater.

It is a common local custom for people in Arab and Druze villages to burn their garbage and cuttings from trees. Just tour around northern Israel and drive by these villages on any given day of the week, chances are you will see at least one pillar of smoke, if not many more. I personally have never ever understood how people LIVING in these villages and towns put up with this. Not only is it very dangerous (spreading fire and air pollution), but the smell...OMG... the smoldering embers of burning garbage. Everything stinks from it...yuck!!! This custom is not as popular in Jewish villages (moshavim), BUT can still happen. A common practice in moshavim is that if a fire is started and the fire department is called out to extinguish the fire, the owner of the land is charged for the service.

We could have put the initial fire out with one big firefighting plane! (that for some stupid reason, we DON'T have!!!) Or if there was a fire station at Usfia, it could have extinguished the initial fire. So putting all the blame on those two silly boys is ridiculous. Although we all know that certain arabs have a nasty habit of lighting forest fires on purpose, this was not the case here.

if they got any sense is to rethink this tradition.

someone made the fire even bigger, anyway, since these teens live in village who lost 4 people in the the fire, I am prety sure their own community will make their lives a living hell.

How many people died in the July 25 fire? How many countries mobilized their firefighting equipment to put out that "horrific" blaze? Oh, that's right! None and none. Take your Jew and Israel hating trash and peddle it elsewhere.

Measure the cost of one great big fire fighting plane plus maintenance, that wil be used maybe once in 10 years, to the cost of a fighter plane used weekly. Glad to hear that u r donating a great big fire fighting plane. But there are other more cost effective things to do, and these need looking into.

I really do not think this arson should be mixed with politics unless there have been some hamas or hezbollah involvement with this. In areas with such vegetation density some steps for prevention should exist and they should be spread by the local firefighter's station, so people would know what to do. Regarding to the mom and the family of the two suspects they should not interfere with the investigation, and if it ends up they were responsible, the family would have many chances to show it in court. But taking the talkback out of context because of some racial or religious intolerance is absurd! So Paddy keep focus on the topic.