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Stabbing victim 'found God' in Israel
Roi Mandel
Published: 20.12.10, 14:14
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31. Why is everyone mad at me??
Salma ,   Palestine   (12.20.10)
Is it so unusual that I should hate "Israel" after what they've done to my wonderful and hospitable people, Allah be praised?!! : )
32. #25 Brian @10 is correct...
(12.20.10)
it has been all over the Hebrew language media. They keep repeating that Wilson is an immigrant to Israel and an Israeli citizen and that that Kristine Luken was coming on aliyah. So yay I guess you missed it!
33. #28 on the one hand you have a point...
(12.20.10)
on the other if this had happened to two Jewish women aboard you do realize what kind of free range feeding frenzy the Xtian posters would engage on?! In other words boubaleh sit down and enjoy the party if it bothers you leave! Cyber door is to the left!
34. Kristine
Marilyn ,   USA   (12.20.10)
You have trusting people, and this could have been a big reason why they went into the woods unaccompanied. I'm still thinking about who the attackers were. Most likely I'd say that they lived and worked in the area, because they seemed to know it. Also multiple stab wounds means some one is really angry. To me it looks like towards Americans and Jewish people. A real danger in that it's possible that it could repeat itself.
35. Help develop OUR centers and museums???!!!
Arthur ,   SF, CA   (12.20.10)
Why would these people be allowed to so?
36. what history salma??!!!
David ,   Haifa Israel   (12.20.10)
there never was palestine and never will be one... go home to jordan you refugee thug!!
37. to dallas,22
moron ,   galut   (12.20.10)
it's simple --missionaries are enemies of every jew--fortunately most christians are no longer missionaries and many are close friends-- i hope that inludes you
38. #35 Mata is safe & familiar archeological site
IMC ,   Jerusalem   (12.20.10)
This is the first time anything has happened there. I will thank you kindly to take your American Armchair hysteria and redirect it to your own environs! We are familiar with ours and don't tolerate lecturing foreigners!
39. a glass of gog and magog anyone?
(12.20.10)
40. Shame on you, Rachel (post #1)
Erin ,   USA   (12.20.10)
Shame on you for your hateful and bitter comments... so much for Israel being a "light to the nations". With this despicable attitude you have no reason to complain when people turn their backs on Israel. I choose every day to remain a Zionist and support Israel, regardless of people like you.
41. the gag order speaks volumes !
eporue ,   europe   (12.20.10)
is this too philosophical, roi, or why didnt you publish it ? i agree with rami of nazareth: if it was a nationalist crime, there would be none. how many murder cases, with israeli citizen as suspect/perpetrator, didnt have a gag order ?
42. #31 Salma
Df2 ,   Beer Sheva, Israel   (12.20.10)
Maybe first you should get off the mantra of "it is always someone else who is to blame" Look inwards towards your own people and your Arab brothers. You will find, if you look at it with an open mind, that they are as much to blame for the plight of your "wonderful and hospitable people". You forget the 2 intifadas started by your wonderful rais Arafat which brought more suffering to your people than in all the previous years. To say nothing of the money he stole and squandered. You forget black september. That is almost never mentioned. You forget that when israel took over the Gaza strip it was the the first time since 1948 that the Gazans could freely leave the strip. But all this is not in your lexicon. Israel is the only one to blame according to you. Be honest for once, if that is at all possible. The death of any person is whether they are Jewish, Muslim, Israeli or Palestinian or anyone else is an extreme waste of humanity. For you to celebrate the death of this woman, whether or not she loved israelis and Jews, is at best totally regrettable. At worst, you are inhuman. Take your pick.
43. Salma makes the case:
dP ,   USA   (12.20.10)
that the Arabs have allowed themselves to become completely depraved monsters bent on homicide and destruction. There is no positive message in it. And to all those who "understand" Salma, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. You support murder, racism, and terror (and that includes you, Great Britain!).
44. To: No. 31
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.20.10)
Don't flatter yourself. No one takes you seriously, so you are not worth getting angry about. That said, please read all about your "wonderful and hospitable people" here: http://lindasog.com/public/terrorvictims.htm http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/victims.html You are very fortunate indeed that we have no expectation of civilized behavior from the ersatz "Palestinians." But our tolerance is coming to an end; enjoy it while you can. Very soon, inch'Allah, you will be Jordan's headache, not ours. And you have only your "wonderful hospitality" to blame.
45. To: Brian at No. 10
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.20.10)
They can proselytize all they want; the ones that try it in New York get a perfect view of me walking away. (In New York, we get the hyper-aggressive Latter-Day Saints, too.) No reason Israelis cannot walk away just as easily....
46. Salma- why we are mad at you
Arnold ,   Montreal-Canada   (12.20.10)
It was because of your caustic comment. We Jews and or Israelis do have some evil people that hate the same way you do. We curse them and so we curse you as well. Simple enough for you ?
47. Christian Love for Juddaism
observer   (12.20.10)
is that from Love your enemy or from turn the other cheek?
48. #1
observer   (12.20.10)
Perhaps she tried converting the Arabs?
49. To Dallas and others on the "other" subject
Jason ,   Israel   (12.20.10)
Let me say two things: 1. our heart goes out to this lady whose love for israel was sincere. 2. rachel's comments are cynical and unfortunate, but bitter is the wrong word. It comes from a sensitive point and is felt widespread by nearly every jew. we welcome true friends and allies, we are a small nation after all; but we are rightly upset, shall we say very upset, if there are those who claim to be so but act otherwise. let's leave it at that and pray together for this lady's soul along with any vengeance that may be due to her.
50. Jerusalem stabbings
Jim clint ,   Belfast northIreland   (12.20.10)
May Adonai comfort the family of the murdered girl? and heal and encourage Kay the injured girl. They were both proclaiming Yeshua, Israel's real chief Rabbi to Israeli's and Arabs alike.
51. To: Kate at No. 20
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.20.10)
What a perfectly splendid idea! I'm going to do the same thing, and I am hopeful that others will as well. I am sure that Salma will be thrilled to learn that she supports the IDF to such an extent. Her friends and acquaintances -- maybe not so much.
52. I am shocked
Laura   (12.20.10)
by some of these comments. A woman was horribly murdered, another seriously injured, and some of you seem to wish them both dead. I happen to know Kay Wilson and she is Jewish and did not do anything deceptive by making aliyah. The American tourist woman, Kristine, was probably taken for an American Jew by the attackers. She wasn't asked about her faith nor was she wearing a cross or something that would identify her as a Christian. So it was a case of 2 Arabs killing what they assumed were 2 Jews (they would conclude that Kay was Jewish because she spoke in Hebrew and wore a Star of David). We still don't know if it was criminal or terror, or both but it was certainly a tragedy. But what's also a tragedy is all that hate I'm seeing in some people's hearts, based on these talkbacks.
53. Sick talkbacks
Little Miss Muffett ,   Sitting on a Tuffett   (12.20.10)
It makes me sick that many of these talkbacks are focusing on the victim's religious beliefs rather than the fact that a HUMAN BEING has been murdered. No matter what your religious beliefs, we should all care when someone gets murdered. What is wrong with this world? It seems to be spinning further and further away from where we should truly be. It is WRONG to politicize someone's murder. IT IS DISGUSTING. And how do any of you know she was actually "evangelizing" and trying to convert anyone? There are actually some Christian organizations that expressly prohibit any proselytizing because they know it causes hard feelings. And if she was proselytizing, does that mean she deserves to die? I guess some of you people would also feel that a woman wearing a short skirt deserves to be brutally raped.
54. People like Rachel #1 and Andy #30 give Israel a bad name
Little Miss Muffett ,   Sitting on a Tuffett   (12.20.10)
Still, I choose to support Israel, in spite of your ilk. I know that you two are aberrations and most Israelis and most Jews would chastise you for your insensitive thoughts about the murder of a human. We all need to soften our hearts, not harden them. My deepest sympathies to the family of the victim.
55. #50 - Irish! do sit down! we don't like Shatnes here!
(12.20.10)
Shatnes is mixing wool and linen together and it forbidden by the Torah.
56. #49 are you for real?
(12.20.10)
or are you doing that "Brother Love traveling salvation show" thing!
57. #45 Sarah
Brian ,   Tel aviv, Israel   (12.20.10)
A. It's against the law here. B. They pass them selves off as Jews. C. Falsely portraying themselves as Jews they come here fully subsidized by our government, receiving benefits meant for Jewish immigrants. D. They have a whole network, which teaches others how to do the same. E. These people receive citizenship here, and are not at all voting with Jewish intrests at heart, as you might imagin, Jerusalem internationalized sound good to you? IT SOUNDS REAL DAMN BAD TO ME!!! and if they can do it imagine who else is, imagine how many foreign agents have infiltrated this nation, especially from Russia. I could go on and on but unlike Matty and Salma and others, I have things to do.
58. shame on #40,not# 1
moron ,   galut   (12.20.10)
missionaries should leave jews alone if they love them so much--they have no business in israel and are less welcome in moslem countries...even in america they have to respect other religions
59. #49 don't care which it is...
(12.20.10)
Let's just get rid of it!
60. Well Laura, are you being fully honest?
Brian ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.20.10)
Our defenition of Jewish means you do not accept Jesus as messiah. I never said she or the other deserve to be harmed, but the truth is not being told, and it is ugly, and should not be hidden due to the circumstances, The orginization she belongs to has the whole Jes for Jesus thing going on where they claim to be Jewish and worship Jesus, which is false and has an overt agenda. It was created by certain cult like off shoots of Christianity, with one sole purpose, converting Jews. I'm glad you showed up, you can clear things up. Since you claim to know Kaye so well, was she affiliated with this? Are you?
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