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Rabbi's wife: Arabs are the enemy
Yair Altman
Published: 29.12.10, 17:46
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31. Rebecca , # 2 . Can you give the number
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.29.10)
of the "far too many Jewish women ...." How many , i'm very cutious about the extent of this problem . Just today i have read an article about the reunification of a child that was abucted to Syria by his father , with his mother . Not here , no Jewish woman , but an arab father .
32. Eugenics
Jenny O'Neill   (12.29.10)
The thought of a perfect, strong,and separate genetic pool is what these fanatical want. People such as these are the problem not people falling in love. When you love someone you NEVER lose your belief system or your core. These are things which make a person unique and therefore, an Arab man would not change a Jew's inner-self. I refuse to acknowledge racism in any form, and this is just that! I am a Jew and I do not think this letter is in any way promoting the ideals of Judaism anymore than the Shah of Iran promoted peace!
33. to #15 Rashid
John DeLancy ,   Alaska, USA   (12.29.10)
You _do_ realize that this has been the policy among Muslims for _centuries_, right? And of course, Muslims go much farther - if a Muslim woman marries a non-Muslim, she will be killed by her family. It's what they call an "honor killing". If a Muslim man marries a non-Muslim woman, according to Islamic law, the children _must_ be raised Muslim, and they enforce that law just as brutally, Rashid. By contrast, this is a small number of Jews who are saying, "we do not want to disappear, please." Which sounds more Nazi-like to you?
34. To #27 AND to anyone with a positive experiece
John DeLancy ,   Alaska, USA   (12.30.10)
There have been many people posting here that there have been awful experiences for Jewish women marrying Arab men. For this condition to be seen as other than normative, there needs to be women posting that their Jewish-ness was respected by their husbands' families and that their children were raised Jewish. I've been surprised to find no such poster in response to either of these articles, only people without experience saying "it's racist" and people in the know who say "the experience I saw shows it is grounded in fact." So please: If you are a Jew who married an Arab man, and his family respects your Jewish-ness and you are raising your children Jewish, please post here!
35. Moses'wife was a midanite. Never rent to a midanite?
Josh   (12.30.10)
The prohibition of marriage to the seven vile nations died when Israel killed them off in ancient History. Everything else is man made hysteria. True none should marry into oppression. But what is a cult if not disguised oppression? Was that ancient 7-nation prohibition expounded by the corruption from arrogant priesthood greed that discriminated even on eyebrow length and then later false additions were used as a wedge by Babylonian cult? Where does it end? Return? Amazing how one mistake builds on the other. Traditions and sages are a trip down memory lane. The central part of considering marriage in Torah is whether it will lead sons and daughters away from Torah and G-d. Since the entry in Israel in Moses era, the neighboring nations that we were not to provoke were not listed by G-d as forbidden to marry. Only one book is written in first person by a prophet. Lets weigh the evidence. In my opinion marrying secular is further away than marrying Arabs. We are to work on keeping evil out of the nation, and nothing talks about discrimination of Esau. But considerations on the situation and truth need to be made, not sweeping marry or don't marry binary thinking. Stop with the letters already. It is sin.
36. I am confused...
yosef ,   memphis   (12.30.10)
...so the Arabs now are our friends and allies? The headline is correct. B"H for the Hareidi!
37. dating arabs
moron ,   galut   (12.30.10)
just say no!
38. Once again, Jews are subject to a double standard
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (12.30.10)
Arabs outnumber Israeli Jews some 50 to 1, while Muslims outnumber Jews some 100 to 1. Yet I don't see any raising a stink when Muslims not only forbid their daughters from dating non-Muslims (never mind marrying them and adopting a different culture) but often brutally punishing them for doing so. And it's not like Arabs or Muslims are an endangered species; Jews on the other hand ... And memo to Qirresh in Jerusalem. Mizrahi Jews do *not* consider themselves Arabs; I know. My Syrian-born father referred to himself as a Syrian Jew, or sometimes a Syrian (an "S-Y" in Flatbush lingo), but NEVER an Arab. And few Ashkenazim refer to them as Arabs either. To Michael in Orlando. Yes, one can find random remarks in the numerous volumes of Talmud that are harsh, but they are NOT NORMATIVE. They have no binding relevance. The Quran, on the other hand, is chock-full of derisive comments about non-Muslims, and they're especially harsh toward Jews. And it's clear, given the depth of anti-Semitism in Arab and Muslim culture that those sentiments ARE normative.
39. Arab man will kill their daughters if they dated a Jew
Judd Rusnak ,   Sydney Australia   (12.30.10)
Arab men don’t talk about their girls going out with Jews; the girls know very well that they will killed by their father, mother or their siblings. It is called HONOR KILLING. So you might say that Arabs are no racists, they are just a bunch of murderers. We Jews talk about it, they (Arabs) just kill for it.
40. Reform and Conservative
Jew ,   Israel   (12.30.10)
I wonder how the two Reform and Conservative "rabbis" mentioned here would feel if THEIR OWN daughter married an Arab, went to live in an Arab village, and had grandchildren raised as Moslems and taught to hate Jews and Israel.
41. rabbi"s wife: arabs are the enemy.
sjoerd van der velde ,   hoorn-the netherland   (12.30.10)
palestinians/arabs can say: zionist-jews/jewish-zionists/zionists are the (arch-)enemy. what does that solve? one thing for sure that the conflict/war-situation can last for ever in this way., with all consequences. which party will loose and which party will be able to win. everybody/each party will loose ultimately. in a total nuclear war where the entire mankind/all life can be destroyed there will be no winners, only losers.in this situation we( must/will) spend more and more on security, defence, weapons and on the military/the army. the world-population/mankind/every country can go bankrupt. and what will we win then? the living people will envy the deceased then, a real hell on earth. hopely that this mankind will not need to live to see. i donot choose for one party, i choose for survival of mankind in justice, peace and prosperity. the world is one land/country/nation and the world-population/mankind (about 7 billion people.) is one people. we are all dependant of each other and we can all win in this way in our world/on our planet earth and have almost paradise/heaven on earth. the choice is ours. the world belongs to all of us. mazeltov, luck and wisdom for all of us. shalom/shalaam to all of us wherever we are and wherever we will be, even in our universe!
42. Not in the true spirit of Judaism
Johnathan Hunter ,   Minneapolis, USA   (12.30.10)
I'm appalled by the actions of these women. The Torah does say some harsh things about intermarriage, this can't be denied. However in this age when every individual has the freedom to date or marry whomever they may want to, I find it very strange that this is being made into an issue. As a Reform Jew I find it utter nonsense, while I would never condemn anyone who chooses to date or marry someone of another faith. I can say that I would understand the desire to date someone who shares the same values. In this fractured world I believe that if you are lucky enough to find love, go for it! Judaism has survived due to the work of countless generations of men and women who were concerned with its survival and choose to live a Jewish life. Not by attacking those who are different from us. Rabbi Hillel once said a very important thing that I think should be remembered, "That which is hateful unto you, do not do unto your neighbor. This is the whole Torah, all the rest is commentary. Now go and study."
43. Jenny O'Neill #32 on Eugenics
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (12.30.10)
The problem is people falling in love blindly. You can say you are not going to lose your inner self but what about your children? Muslims don't give a hoot about your inner self or any religion but theirs and once you are married to one you and any children you might have are trapped. You can go ahead and marry one and as you discover you are just a piece of property you can be secure in the knowledge that you still have your belief system as these letter writers nod their heads and say "There goes another one."
44. To #29: Stop the apologetics
Avi ,   NYC, USA   (12.30.10)
Michael is actually right: These quotes are not taken out of context. What you are doing is playing our learnt response of denying those things that are in the Talmud. I learnt in a Yeshiva and I still learn. These quotations mean exactly what they say.
45. A boy like that
Anita ,   America!   (12.30.10)
A boy like that, he killed your brother! Forget that boy, go find another! One of your own kind Stick to your own kind!
46. Young Jewish girls don't know how brutal arab men are until
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (12.30.10)
it is too late. Keep the Jewish women away from the men who would love to beat and rape them and take away their faith.
47. Rebecca, do you have any info on people
A Bethlehemite ,   the world   (12.30.10)
rescuing Jewish women from Jewish men? Or is this a one sided post of yours?
48. the conclusion
soso   (12.30.10)
if there is problem .. any woman can get rid from a man better than a rabi wife .. or do you think rabi is the best man to a woman ..
49. Dear Rabbis' wives
Working women ,   Israel   (12.30.10)
How about telling your lovely husbands to get a job or get lost. Israel is not Rabbiayatollah
50. #44 Stop the Lies
Shlomo ,   Maale Adumim, Israel   (12.30.10)
#29 is correct. This Avi from New York is eaither very stupid or very evil! Mesechet Bba Metzia 114 is talking about spiritual impurity. Gentiles are not considered "adam" which you incorrectly translate as human but the term refers to a single people (ie the Jewish people) who are spiritually like one person - "adam". Gentiles are obviously human beings who can, if they choose, convert to Judaism. They don't suddenly change their racial makeup when they convert! Moreover, In Mesechet Avodah Zara 3a (as well as other places) gentiles are referred to as "HaAdam" which means a person! In fact, the only place where you would find this mistranslation is on anti-semitic/Nazi Internet sites.
51. The Masorti Movements are out of touch!
Dovid ,   Modiin   (12.30.10)
It is very easy for The Masorti Movement and The Ne'emanei Torah VaAvodah movement, (a coservevodox movement ) criticize the Rabbi's wifes yet they don't offer a solution to a growing problem. We are seeing a steady growth of inter dating and intermarriage. Very often the women doesn't''t realize that the man is an Arab until the woman has developed feeling for the man and it becomes hard to break up. The only logical way to fight intermarriage is through education and discouraging inter dating. Kol hakovod to the Rabbi's wifes, MK Michael Ben Ari, and MK Tzipi Hotovely.
52. rabbi's wife.arabs are the enemy.
elsie ,   gush halav   (12.30.10)
Can anyone tell me statistics of these women that "emerge wounded and battered from arab villages" or as bunnie wrote"beat,rape and take away their faith", as far as i know beat ,rape is a crime in Israel, but i would be interested to see how many women were ,beaten ,rape ,by arab men in arab villages and the men arrested.
53. 14 Yossef Looking again for trouble?
Yiddishe Mame   (12.30.10)
54. Marry who you like , love is the answer
Avi ,   Israel   (12.30.10)
Who gives a hoot what some brainwashed rabbis wife or a fanatical hatemonger such as MK Ben Ari, who in my opinion brings discrase to the jewish nation on a daily basis fanning the flames of hatred towards any group who dosent share his fanatical views. Fall in love , marry who you like this is our basic choice in life and no religious fanatic is going to dictate who you can or cannot fall in love with based on their fanatical religious rascism.
55. Rabbis wifes have right
Joav ,   Germany   (12.30.10)
I read here a lot of s...t, someone compare this declaration with Hitler, the otherone with his book "Mein Kampf/ My Fight" the rest speaking about racism or they very often use this terminology but not having no idea of this word. A lot of this people just hate jews deep in their heart and do everything to comlete the job of Hitler by means of phisycally demolition or just by asimilation.
56. EXPERIENCE is talking. THAT is why she says what she
Jacob ,   Tiberias Israel   (12.30.10)
says. Jewish people in no position to assimilate in Israel, if it means anything to be Jewish- be on a mission from God for truth justice and equality and sacredness to life and to human life in particular. These jewish girls are playthings and loked down upon by arabs after they are married to their 2nd 3rd wives. They are not muslim so they are treated inferior as Jews have been treated 90% of te time i muslim lands in 90% of history
57. Are you anti Jewish people incapable of thinking??
Jacob ,   Naftali Israel   (12.30.10)
1) 113 million Jews in world- 1:600 people Jewish 2) 75% of europes Jewry wiped out only 2 generations ago 3) This is natioalism and religion, not racism. why? there are dozes of races that Jews represent- ANYONE can be Jewish! It doesnt matter your skin culture country. period. 4) Arabs in Israel- the majority of them are avildy against the Jewish state and would like it ot be - eventually- an arab state 5) Less than 0.1% serve in the army or national service. less than 30% pay their taxes! 6) The rhetorc from Imams and arab culture is to take over- egytian lawmakers call on arabs to rape Israel jewish women. 7) Arabs will KILL any arab girl hat so much as dates a jewish man. you are angry and writing talkbacks aout that? isnt kiliing WORSE than publicly denouncing???????? Are you guys really sane? 8) This is our country our homeland and we have no other country to go to where we are responsible for ourseves. We are sick and tired and dead of you being responsible for us....arabs have 22 other arab countries to move to at the drop opf a hat. we dont. Does that help or are you to reactve and blindminded?
58. ignoance of the religious institutions
richi ,   EIlat Israel   (12.30.10)
The religious community to should limit itself to talking to its constituents. Ever time the enter the wider community with unthough out and genuinely stupid letters. It both undermines the state and the remaing respect that no religious jews have for the repligious instituions. As a person who in the past would go to synagogue, have chosen to pray at home rather than be assoicated with rabbis who are no more than rascist.
59. rabbi's wife: arabs are the enemy, responds to jacob #57
elsie ,   gush halav   (12.30.10)
To Jacob who lives in Naflali, no it did'nt help, you spout off but really don't say anything and in the end you say arab can go to any arab country, i maintain, that in Israel it is a crime to kill,rape or beat a women up, show me the statistics of arab men killing ,rapeing etc, oh and by the way, we have has much right to live here as you do, so its a mute point.
60. This is why Muslims are encouraged to marry their cousins
Goyim ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.30.10)
There are so many benefits to incest. Jews and Arabs both realise this.
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