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'Gentile sperm leads to barbaric offspring'
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 12.01.11, 08:30
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31. I am embarrassed.
noa ,   israel   (01.12.11)
This rabbi seems to forget why God put us here. Shame on him.
32. Fathers of Esav ,Ishmael ,Korah,Achan King, Manaseh
Roland Seener ,   London England   (01.12.11)
This needs to be confirmed as I cannot lay my hands on the source...Bones are inherited from the Father,and the Soft Tissue of the Body from the Mother according to Jewish tradition...If I am correct,this complicates the statement considerably.
33. Disgusting comments!
Yakov ,   Tel Aviv   (01.12.11)
I know God is frowning upon Rabbi Lior. Such an awful mind this man has, such disgusting and irresponsible comments. I know many Jews, here in Israel and elsewhere, who conceived with donated sperm, and have raised wonderful humans and good Jews, irrespective of the origin of the sperm. Denying loving parents this option is cruel. But, this is only part of the point. What is simply unacceptable is the comments of gentile sperm having less desirable traits then Jewish sperm. This is a purely racist comment, hurtful, hateful and unprofessional . God created Jews and gentiles alike, all are beautiful, and made in Gods likeness. Rabbi Lior, went further, to denigrate single parents. Single parenthood is a reality, and we as Jews should be supportive of the monumental task of raising children as a single parent. Again, Rabbi Lior is cruel, hurtful and acting in a manner that defines him as a poor leader of any Jewish community. His comments do not reflect ethical Judaism, do not reflect the majority of Israeli's, and serve to distance us as Israeli's, from the world around us.
34. #11 100% kosher babies normal?
Raphael ,   Netanya   (01.12.11)
"A baby born through such an insemination will have the "negative genetic traits that characterize non-Jews." ''Child cannot be 100% normal" The police records are full of haredi criminals, thieves, crooks.
35. Dov Lior's Wiki page
Kafka ,   Ramat Gan   (01.12.11)
reads like a rap sheet of religious intolerance.
36. Donor sperm is always risky.
ORA ,   Jerusalem   (01.12.11)
Jewish or not jewish,you never know the character traits of the father.Non jewish is even more risky.The solution would be that the donors pass a psychological test .
37. Reincarnation
Sagi   (01.12.11)
of Goebbels,Eichman and Bormann all rolled into one. This should not be happening to us. I am disgusted.
38. Gentile sperm
i love Israel ,   Germany   (01.12.11)
I recomend a must read to this Specialist Rabbi in DNA .He should read the article posted on Arutz sheva called "The Battred Woman Living Next Door"
39. Gentile sperm
i love Israel ,   Germany   (01.12.11)
Sorry Rebbe i made a mistake.The article is called:"The battered wife who lives next door". Can you explain to me as a Goi how does it come that Orthodox Jews beat their women and children and act like babarians ,or how does it come that Israel is also involved in drug traffic,prostitution,murder and all this suffering? I'll tell you mister Rebbe.Its all about sin.Mankind is lost in its sin and need repentence.
40. Mad as a hatter
David ,   Israel   (01.12.11)
This man has completely lost the plot.
41. The Rabbi is Sick!
Rich ,   Toronto, Canada   (01.12.11)
42. Sperm like HIS we DON'T need!
roxanne ,   haifa, israel   (01.12.11)
43. He is right...
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (01.12.11)
44. #15 ur mega stupid is showing!
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45. The rabi read in a book??
שלום לכולם   (01.12.11)
Really rabi, you read in a book? somehow I don't think this rabi has ever read any book to do with anything other that his backward, infantile, superstitious so call religion. His religion is not Judaism...... his is just a cult
46. #37
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (01.12.11)
#37 Holocaust denial is offensive and shouldn't be posted on an Israeli newspaper, even a Leftist one. Do you know who Goebbels, Eichman and Borman were? They were in a large part responsible for the industrial genocide of the Jews, which means they literally murdered millions of people in cold blood. How many people did Lior murder to let you make that comparison? Or are you really supporting the Hamas narrative that says that Goebbels wasn't that bad and he just said some unpleasant, maybe stupid, things?
47. Voodooman
Michael ,   Haifa   (01.12.11)
He should be the Chief Rabbi of Port au Prince, Haiti, the world centre of Voodooism
48. How ridiculous!
Shira ,   Jerusalem   (01.12.11)
So are we going to say that the children of intermarried couples where the mother is Jewish and the father is not are barbarians? How do we reconcile this with the position that Jewish status comes exclusively from the mother? It sounds like Rabbi Lior would want to cast them out of the fold as well. Will Rabbi Lior also say that all the unfortunate Jewish women who suffered rape throughout our history were forced to bear and raise barbarian children in addition to the violation that they suffered? Can he really believe that there are no Jews who are wicked and no gentiles who are righteous? Rabbi Lior's statements are unworthy of a rabbi and only cause derision, division and hostility. I'd even go so far as to call them a hillul ha-Shem. Shame!
49. This "rabbi" disgusts me
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (01.12.11)
This "rabbi" disgusts me - this talk is the stuff which the nazis used to say only the other way round. Are all non-Jews barbaric? Are all non-Jews negative people? Are all non-Jews cruel people? This man should be prosecuted as indeed he would be in any other enlightened western country for these revolting inflammatory statements. Who the hell does he think he is? This really proves that these types maintain a strong form of inherent racism - unless he is the exception, which I hope he is, but I doubt it. It's up to others like him to condemn these statements to prove that he IS an exception, but they probably won't, just as they didn't condemn Katzav and they don't condemn the senseless rantings of that stupid old codger in the fancy dress every Saturday night.
50. Just replace
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (01.12.11)
Just replace the word "Jew" in all the learned "rabbi"'s comments with the word "Aryan" and ask where you have heard all this before..............
51. Rabbi should clarify!
Mr K.   (01.12.11)
Rabbi Liorr should clarify what he means. Otherwise he & the Jewdaism he represents is total nonsense. If this is what Rabbi Lior really meant than I say he is a total fool who does not believe in Hashem & has no place in Olam Habah. What a chilul Hashem!!!
52. when we think we've heard it all...
bob ,   maryland usa   (01.12.11)
when we think we've heard it all, up pops a rabbi who comes up with something even wackier--dangers of basing halachic rulings on the Zohar--an intersting piece of literature--but when it comes to sexuality and family planning--it's out in wacko land--which makes the Zohar a charming work--but not exactly a guide for science or foreign policy.
53. Could it be?
Truthseeker ,   USA   (01.12.11)
Could it be that the rabbis of Europe who may well have spoken like this demented rabbi and the chief rabbi of Shas who recently declared that the "goyim" (his word, not mine) were fit only to serve Jews bore major responsibility for the anti-Semitism in Europe? When non-Jews hear such vile and bigoted drivel from the mouths of supposedly "holy men" what can they think of the people who follow them? Not much.
54. Rabbi Dov Lior
Charles ,   Paris, France   (01.12.11)
What strikes me, is the "normalcy" of the process consisting of publishing this article as a piece of news like any other one, then most of the talkbacks which are more or less rationally criticizing it. Just imagine for a second what could be the fate of a non jewish westerner if he utters the beginning of the beginning of an idea like this one: he would be mediatically and legally lynched.
55. Isn't it great?
Avi ,   NYC, US   (01.12.11)
Isn't it great how over the last several months the rabbis associated with religious zionism have revealed their true thoughts? Had I read these pearls of wisdom years ago, I would have thought they were made up by some antisemite. But now we can all see what is hiding behind the smiley mask of religious zionism. As for the advice given to women vis-a'-vis artificial insemination: Do not get a sperm donation from any of these rabbis lest the baby might be an idiot.
56. Sperm donation by Jews who are Jews in their hearts is
Rivkah   (01.12.11)
what is needed. Sperm from Jews who are atheists is not to be desired. Those who love YHWH, whether Jewish by descent or Jewish by being grafted onto the Jewish faith of Rabbi Yeshua is suitable for sperm donation in my opinion. But few Jews who are Jews in their hearts would donate sperm since if the child born is not supported, YHWH might hold the sperm donor accountable. Perhaps not, but it is something to be considered as a possibility. If any do not provide for their own, they have denied the faith and are worse than unbelievers.
57. Ralph , 21
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.12.11)
You refer to the "khazar theory" i suppose . Well , if you will make some research you will see that this is not sure at all . Genetics have proven that only a very small part of the Jews have the same genes as those found in the khazar people . This theory is also used by anti Israelis to deligitimise our presence here . As i always said , maybe you did'nt read it , a convert is a follower of the Jewish faith . To become a Jew some generations are needed .
58. Avraham Avinu
Proud Jew ,   Israel   (01.12.11)
Avraham Avinu's father wasn't Jewish!!!!!!
59. Gentile sperm
Helen ,   Maalot   (01.12.11)
Pure and simple -- RACISM! Why aren't religion and state separate?
60. Add to my # 15
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.12.11)
Let me make it clear . I don't think that Gentiles are barbaric and so as Rav Lior tell's us . I mean only that a convert can't be Jewish , something rav Lior confirms .
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