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Leftists: Probe against us 'McCarthyism'
Roni Sofer
Published: 05.01.11, 08:18
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31. #25 Comunnism is wiggling its tail. Trotzkysm is here!
(01.05.11)
32. McCarthy abused his power against
Michael   (01.05.11)
ordinary citizens who were wrongfully accused of being communists. What is the connection to israel? Do deny that NGOs in Israel are receiving money from outside the state is not theoretical. The only question is how many NGOs and how much money they are receiving. Let us try and use appropriate parellels and let us not alter history please.
33. #24 Good idea! Wo will be creating a WikiLeft?
(01.05.11)
WikiLeft to expose the truths that Wilikeaks is so protective of? The secrets of the Left, of the terrorist organizations, the Russian and Chinese involvement in world anarchism. What about the secrets of North Korea's and Iran's Nuclear plans? Saudi Arabia terror funding? North Korea's invasion plans and obscene riches of the Kim Jung IL's gang? Nobody? Then I guess that all is clear, eh?
34. to #25 he got votes it much more than who ever
ghostq   (01.05.11)
is on the left, and they weren't even elected.
35. Senator McCarthy
Gershom ,   Haifa, Israel   (01.05.11)
Correct. Senator McCarthy was the chairman of the Senate Committee Against Un-American Activities, and investigated many people whom he suspected of being Communist sympathizers. He ruined many people's careers and blacklisted people, without any proof that they committed any crimes!
36. Our enemies hang "Zionists Spies"- what about THEIR HR?
(01.05.11)
...then we at least can investigate the funding sources of the "Anti-Zionist spies", right? I mean, isn't that the meaning of EQUALITY that the Left so rabidly promotes?
37. #30 answer
Krzys ,   Warsaw, Poland   (01.05.11)
you did not answer my question: what has Yesh Din to do with it? I understand Breaking the Silence or Adalah. But Yesh Din? The argument for investigating sources of funding is contributing to delegitimizing Israel. But let's not be kids. This whole settlers' project is doing exactly the same as leftist BTselem: they all delegitimize Israel in the eyes of international public opinion. The difference is that settlers are getting official funding from the state and are considered super-okay as Yisrael Beitenu, Likud and Shas are concerned. Either the state would intend to disclose everybody's fundings and Knesset speakers would direct criticism against settlers too (keeping in mind that the main issue is "delegitimization"), or this is all hypocrisy and a political move to gain points.
38. to #13 one problem with what you said
ghostq   (01.05.11)
you r not Israeli civilian you can elect for any political party in Israel, so you try to bypass it in form of org support, so in other words, logic wise, you look for action, Tibet and Israel, you r far from peacful person, Budaism is peacful while you look for reasons to protest, I think I just find your unbudahist moto.
39. :: Cart before the horse
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (01.05.11)
Watchdog groups like B'tselem, Yesh Din, Machsom Watch only exist because of the horrendous human rights abuses committed by Israel/IDF. Machsom Watch, for example, does not "severely harm Israel's legitimacy throughout the world" rather it is the recorded abuses committed by IDF soldiers at these checkpoints that severely harm Israel's legitimacy throughout the world. It is not the act of reporting Israeli war crimes and human rights abuses that "de-legitimize" it is the act of committing these war crimes, human rights abuses, racist policies and practices that "de-legitimize" Israel. It is really very simple, if Israel wants greater "legitimacy throughout the world" then all it has to do is stop occupying and oppressing the Palestinian People, stop stealing their land, stop the daily human rights abuses. It should also be noted that one does not have to look all the way back to the 50's to see state coercion of civil and human rights groups. Like Israel the present day governments in countries like Sudan, Iran, Russia, etc also target and try to intimidation and silence human rights groups under the guise of 'national interests'.
40. Let me get this straight....
Shmuel ,   Merkaz   (01.05.11)
So it is "McCarthyism" to investigate leftists but it's NOT "McCarthyism" to investigate Rabbis who state what they believe is religious law?? The left has been launching investigations and otherwise intimidating anybody who dares speak contrary to their skewed world-view for years. Now that there is the possibility of shining a little light under their rocks and into their dirty closets they cry "foul"..... Typical leftist/socialist/communist tricks....
41. Yisrael Beiteinu's next Parliamentary Bill
Michael ,   Haifa   (01.05.11)
The establishment of Gulags for the opposition
42. The dirty Left
USA   (01.05.11)
Are political terrorists. Waging a political war on Israel along with the so called international anti Israel community.
43. No 13 South-African in Australia
Alf Red, Londonistan ,   Israel   (01.05.11)
I see that you are very happy with new South Africa - in fact SO HAPPY, that you run away from there as far as to Australia. That's for your liberal credentials. Now about your eye openers. I would invite you to VISIT Israel and see first hand, with your own eyes, what is going here - and not form your "opinion" on scandalous and obviously paid by Israel-haters nit-pickings by all these "shalom-akhshav" and other "makhsom-watcher" stinkers busy-bodying themselves with anything that can hurt the very country in which they reside. It is a WAR here by Muslim world (over a billion of Allah believers) against a tiny Jewish country. And these "human-right fighters" HARM Israel as much as they possibly can. They aren't interested in heinous crimes against humanity being commited daily by Arab bandits everywhere - they aren't being paid for that. Only to harm their own country and their own people. They are traitors, or complete idiots at best.
44. "McCarthysm! McCarthysm!"
Gábor Fränkl ,   Budapest, Hungary   (01.05.11)
This pathetic non-excuse is so tiresome by now that it has lost all its intended meaning. Really desperate and pathetic. As for the obscurantist "Matty Groves", no serious scholar who deals with the region can take such a screeching far-left propagandist seriously. Thankfully, no one does.
45. Re: Krzys
fg   (01.05.11)
"This whole settlers' project is doing exactly the same as leftist BTselem: they all delegitimize Israel in the eyes of international public opinion." If that is the case, the only ones at fault then are those whose obligation and job would be to credibly and patiently explain the legal rights of Israel to the territories. Keep that in mind! I don't accept at all placing the "settlements" on the same footing as these piad and foreign-financed enemy agents!
46. This has to do with McCarthiism...
Yerushalmi ,   Jerusalem   (01.05.11)
...as much as Israel has with South Africa's Apartheid (just now, an Arab judge is judging ex Israeli president). McCharty prosecuted people for _BEING MEMBERS OR HAVING SYMPATHIES for this or that political party, this new law wants to audit finances of organisations aiding enemies in time of war, not even putting people on trial for treason, just auditing their accounts.
47. Ynet - Get a Life
Rafael ,   Yerushalayim Israel   (01.05.11)
Time for Ynet to lose its ultra-left reporting bias. "McCarthyism?" Get bent.
48. #37 Krzys
Joav ,   Germany   (01.05.11)
I live in Poland for 6 mounth in Warshau and I know for my own expirience that polish people are huge antesimitic. Thats explain to me why you post such questions and try to defend such organizations for "human rights" like Shalom Achshaw and othe. Shame on you country ban their most jewish populations out of Poland in 50-60. How about these facts?
49. No 39 Fair in Fairport
Alf Red, Londonistan ,   Israel   (01.05.11)
I would advise you to get off Indian land! Stop colonising it! Stop that horrendous occupation, annihilation of indigenous population! Stop these war crimes against it!.. WHAT? You have wiped them out completely already? Ah... OK then... Now. To Israeli CRIMES. What exactly crimes do you have in mind? Get your bottom off your soft chair, come here and find please. With your own eyes! Not through info bought and paid with your dollars paid for oil to Arabs.
50. #25 libierman is gettting crasy. Really?
Joav ,   Germany   (01.05.11)
Before you open you mouth and use such words like fashism, it would be wrong when you educate youself a little and checks what word fashism is. I would say that the only fashist here you you. You are left-fashist that are lie facts to harm jewish state!
51. To #45 and #48
Krzys ,   Warsaw, Poland   (01.05.11)
#45 as I wrote before: the main argument is the "delegitimization", right? Simply open up any mainstream western newspaper, what do you see there? A criticism of settlers is obvious and everywhere. So what are we talking about? The delegitimization comes from actions of two wings: far left and far right. Both. #48 Yoav, you already managed to blacken someone? It's not even lashon hara but more! I have Jewish roots. Yes, I live in Warsaw. No I don't like Shalom Achshaw. Yes, Yesh Din is different than others. Yes, there are retired Israeli generals there and even a former military intelligence chief there. Yes, criticism of settlers is legitimate. Yes, you proved to behave automatic.
52. Don't they do more than "document"?
Nic ,   UK   (01.05.11)
If some of these organisations are so concerned about the behaviour of soldiers at checkpoints then why aren't they volunteering for army service in those areas where they could be the change they want to see? Why don't they encourage army age kids to aim for positions where they can teach other soldiers the interpersonal skills they say are lacking?
53. Well documented
Joe Cone ,   USA   (01.05.11)
It is well documented and admitted by the UK government in hearings that they fund many of the Left Wing Groups. Other countries including Finland the US and Norway are also doing it. This is not McCarthyism it is not legitimate debate it is espionage especially when some of these groups are tasked with observing settlements.
54. McCarthyism and Talkbackers
Ralph Levy ,   USA   (01.05.11)
The issues during the McCarthy times were about leftist views and a perceived view of Soviet funding of those views. There was no proof to those allegations. In this case these is clear evidence of foreign funding of leftist groups in Israel by foreign powers. I would not be surprised if even some leftist talkbackers are paid by foreign countries to influence opinion.
55. #51 What do you mean by jewish "roots"
Joav ,   Germany   (01.05.11)
I do not need to blacked anyone! What I do, I,am speaking about facts but you with you "jewish roots" speaking about fake arguements. If you so much against occupation than what on hell do the polish troops in Iraq and Afganistan?! Why dont you care excuseme about you own shit? Criticism on settlers? Why do you will criticise them? They live in their land wich name is not "West Bank" "West Jordanland" but Judea&Samaria! You better criticised the Terror against the christian minority that were killed one week ago in Egypt.
56. #55 Yoav I love your post :)
Krzys ,   Warsaw, Poland   (01.05.11)
you should consider buying yourself some cooler. really :)
57. to #52 simple cause they will have to do
ghostq   (01.05.11)
hard work with no extra attention, this way they get free attantion with basicaly zero efforts, they will never even volunteer to help their own community, all of them r unemployed, and the chanses they can handle athority figur is slim to none, they won't be able to see themselves as part of any system, many just hide their personal agenda. yep selfish reasons, so you see, this behavior pattern is no different from the background the great tyran grow from.
58. My experience with Machsom Watch
Z Lando ,   Tekoa, Israel   (01.05.11)
I was at a checkpost near Kidumim two years ago. A car stopped with women in it. The women identified themselves and asked to talk to me. I replied that I have nothing to say to them, and then one said to me in a sneer: "Why are you not enough a man to talk to us? I walked away.
59. #54 Ralph: You are mistaken
Thomas ,   Dixieland USA   (01.05.11)
Before you absolve the Soviets and the Communist of interference in the US, please study the "VENONA" files. And remember: the Internet is for everybody who wants to know the truth.
60. #59
Ralph Levy ,   USA   (01.05.11)
I was not saying there was not Soviet Influence or spying I was talking about leftist views. As far as the Internet it is not for government paid talkbackers either by a government or by a PR Firm contracted by that government that has the main mission to change a policy of a country by influencing the population of that country.
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