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IDF commander: Tear gas not cause of Bilin woman's death
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 07.01.11, 15:58
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1. Load of bovine waste
Ali ,   Scotland   (01.07.11)
Murderers!
2. Surely this can be checked relatively easily
Danny   (01.07.11)
and if the Palestinians and "activists" got it wrong then they should be sued for libel. Otherwise this guy is wasting his breath.
3. To #1: How come Ali, the Scots
Observer 1 ,   Jos, Nigeria   (01.07.11)
Not that anyone really cares that you are a scots or speaking from your rear orifice. How exactly you managed to reach the conclusion of "Murderers " begs for explanations, don't you think? Oh, sorry .I've got it: The Pals are Murderers with capital M? Well, I guess you must know something about it but why you should be saying it here in this forum baffles us.
4. Alittle proof from either side would be nice
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (01.07.11)
The IDF was claiming she had been in a hospital bed for the 10days before her death, now its poor medical treatment. While PA only alittle better with proof but some people have said they saw close to the protest, so many questions still remain.
5. stop using DEADLY tear gas
Salma ,   Palestine   (01.07.11)
6. #1 I agree
Yonatan   (01.07.11)
The protesters and doctors in the mohammedan enclave are murderers. Land for Peace, if the village will not be peaceful, take the land and finally have peace.
7. who should be blamed
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (01.07.11)
Salaam Fayyad who organized the riot is innocent, he makes no secret that these riots are part of his plan to destroy Israel. Abu-Rahma's family are also innocent. She's dead anyway so they may as well try and get the 2000 a month shaheed benefits. The Israeli Jewish citizens who used the obviously false story as an excuse to riot and delegitimize Israel as part of their plan for the genocide of the Jews should be jailed or deported for eternity.
8. #1 - really? only 1 out of 1000 hurt by tear gas?
William ,   Israel   (01.07.11)
Even less than those who get critically ill from food poisoning, but they don't ban haggis.
9. Ali #1
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (01.07.11)
An Arab specialty. Especially considering the fact that her own family says she wasn't even there. Here's are real hard question - when have the Arabs ever told the truth?
10. #1 You called it right
Linichka ,   Gdynia, Poland   (01.07.11)
The PA's initial accusations WERE bovine waste - as usual.
11. Even Pals know their claims were bogus.
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (01.07.11)
The attempt clearly was to create another "martyr", another al-Dura if you will. But the newest one had no more foundation than the earlier one. Both were bogus, attempts to smear the IDF and Israel. Fortunately, the IDF has learned from the experience, and did not jump to take responsibility and apologize. For, as many of us suspected from the beginning, there was nothing to apologize for.
12. #5. stop throwing DEADLY stones (End)
Solomon ,   Bklyn   (01.07.11)
13. #5 - stop using deadly rocks, suicide vests
William ,   Israel   (01.07.11)
and violent protests...and tear gas wouldn't even be necessary Salma. I find it hilarious that your posts usually condone the use of violence but your post yesterday claims "all racism should be addressed and dealt with" Let's start with the racist intentions of your ilk, you included, who insist Israel has no right to exist and Jews have no right to self-determination. Oooo, ouch! a hole in your "good hearted" claims for those with attention deficient disorders. Now, for 10 years, Arabs have protested this fence, and tear gas has been used often, and only last week a person died from it? Seems less deadly than the flu.
14. #4 Yes, proof would be nice
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (01.07.11)
Bloody Scot, alwlay so Bloody foolish BThere were loads of cameras, as usual, recording the demonstration Why not show a scene proving she was there ? Better yet, perform an autopsy (no, you're not qualified) by an impartial pathologist to ascertain the cause of death With all the modern technology, we can end the speculation once and for all Meanwhile, this looks like a repretition of the Mohammed Al Durah case, which was proven to be an outright lie when tried in a French Court
15. #1 Ali - I belive you're correct
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (01.07.11)
This seems to be another Pallywood story, just like the one that was made up about Mohammed Al Durah, which was found to be an outright lie, when it was tried in a French Court Demand an autopsy, find the truth, before you resort to throwing your crap around
16. #2 Easy to check
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (01.07.11)
In a few words, IMPARTIAL Forensic Pathologist performing an AUTOPSY to determine cause of death
17. #5 Salami - Easy solution
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (01.07.11)
No demonstrations defying orders, no tear gas To determine the cause of her death, an Autopsy by an Impartial Forensic pathologist would be required I thought you were leaving us, Alzeheimers' ??
18. #8
Zev ,   scottsdale az   (01.07.11)
You crack me up. Hilarious
19. Jos or Yossi
Ali ,   Scotland   (01.07.11)
Do you really need an explanation! I don't think reckless use of poison gas on innocent bystanders is acceptable.The circumstantial evidence and the fact that we see other crimes being committed like the constant abuse of Palestinians .ie shooting blind folded protesters.The internet is a powerful tool we get to see Israeli crimes like never before.Israel, land of excuses and evil propaganda.. you people remind me of Iranian hard-liners but only much harder. If you country moved the fence that the Israeli supreme court ruled against this would have never happened but greed and land theft are more important than the Israeli supreme court...you can fool some people some of the time...
20. Israeli war criminals
Turkish_boy ,   Brussels, Belgium   (01.07.11)
Dear Palestina. A rising Turkey will rescue you from these war criminals. These criminals are isolating themselves like Sout-Africa during Apartheid. They have so much hate in themselves that they are blind to see this.
21. #5 Salma - Stop using deadly tears gas ?
Paul ,   USA   (01.07.11)
Perhaps you would prefer live ammunition ? And by the way, I'd like to know what you would do, if someone were throwing rocks at your head...
22. Pollack's story changed since last week
William ,   Israel   (01.07.11)
Last week, when interviewed, the words he used was less certain of Jawaher's presence at the protest, her medical conditions, and her prior visits to the hospital. Today, all of a sudden, he has certainty in the story in which he still has no proof. I guess if you repeat a story long enough....
23. To: No. 4
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.07.11)
From Daled Amos' blog: Israel security sources have assembled the facts of the truth about the death of Jawaher Abu Rahma and held a briefing today. The notes are from The Muqata and are posted on his site. Israel security sources briefed an exclusive group of bloggers this evening on the events surrounding this past Friday's Bilin demonstration and the "alleged tear gassing to death" of a Palestinian woman, Jawaher Abu Rahma. The sources said they have reason to believe that the death 2 days ago was because of another reason than what the Palestinians are claiming (tear gas inhalation). Facts: Abu Rahma's documented lab work is dated on Friday at 2:45 PM. Her admission time to the ER in the same Ramallah hospital was 3:20 PM. Hospital Lab work is usually done after you arrive at the hospital, not before you arrive. There is no hospital ER admission report, no ER summary report, and no hospital records of this woman. The official PA Ramallah Hospital's death certificate for Abu Rahma states as the cause of death as follows (this is word for word): Cause of death “Inhaling gas of an Israeli solider according to the family” That is the entire medical basis for the family's allegations. We know this woman visited the same hospital 10 days ago and many other times in the past month. When we looked at the medication she was taking – it was for cancer. We have never heard of anyone dying from inhaling tear gas (5 years of experience with this particular tear gas). There were hundreds of other rioters in the same open air location, in broad daylight and yet she was the only one "allegedly" affected by the gas. Palestinians claim she has been participating in the riots for the past 5 years as her brother is the head leader of the weekly Bil'in riots. However, there are no photos of this woman participating at this riot or ANY riot over the past 5 years, and these riots occur on a weekly basis and are heavily photographed and documented. We always see photos of rioters – yet this time, no photos appeared of this woman. We believe there are many unsolved questions – and our assumptions are: Abu Rahma wasn't at the riot Abu Rahma died at her home Abu Rahma was chronically ill Additionally, Israel buys this tear gas/riot-dispersal method from companies abroad, and this is the same non-lethal tear gas used by riot control forces around the Western world.
24. pollack will believe ANYTHING, just not what IDF says
dante ,   uk   (01.07.11)
pollack will believe any fairy tale, however absurd, if it is promulgated by Israel's enemies. and, he will make any excuses for enemies of Israel. pollack is a fool...actually, worse than a fool.
25. #19, you know tear gas isn't poison right?
Danny   (01.07.11)
it is used by riot control police all over the world. Should be obvious that it is not poison gas by the fact NONE of the other people were affected by it despite apparently all being there. Engage the brain cell.
26. #22, yeah right
Danny   (01.07.11)
and this is a demo where they video everything with a ton of "media" and not a single one took a video of a woman gasping for breath due to tear gas. Were they too focus on the woman who slightly hurt her leg?
27. #12 Solomon
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (01.07.11)
Just in case you didn't see my last message, GOOGLE images of "ISRAELI PAPER SHEKEL", you will see the English imprint on the face of each note Next time dont' be so adamant when you're not familiar with the subject
28. Agree with #1 - but with reservations
John DeLancy ,   Alaska, USA   (01.07.11)
The story by the Palestinian Arabs is indeed hogwash, that much is obvious. But to paint all Palestinian Arabs as murderers is going to far. n.b., I'm an outsider. I understand that. But so is dear Al in Scotland. But it seems to me that the real problem is incitement. Your average Palestinian Arab would probably have no problem with Israel or the actions the Jewish state takes to protect herself from suicide murderers or from the people who murder Jewish motorists. The fault here lies with the PA leaders who teach that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state and therefore can only be an enemy, the teachers who literally teach their children to hate the Jews and celebrate any wrong that is done agains Israel, the and the Imams who teach that Jews are apes and dogs and that an attack against Israel is part of a so-called "holy" war (a self-contradictory phrases in itself). Get rid of the incitement to do evil, and we should find that the Palestinian Arabs won't be doing evil. There are no natural murderers, only people who are taught to murder.
29. #19 Ali
Solomon ,   Bklyn   (01.07.11)
1. Tear gas is not poison gas; if it was, everyone would have died. 2. I agree the Supreme Court should be obeyed. But moving the fence would have done NOTHING to stem the goal of the Palestinians to take over everything and destroy Israel. There are now three more arab "no's" on the table. I don't expect you to be interested in any of them.
30. #20, You Turks are Turkeys .. Goble Goble
iizzie irgun ,   usa   (01.07.11)
Love your delusional post, that Turkey is the redeemer of the arabs and will set Israel striaght. Pretty funny considering Israel built your military, taught you how to fly and trained you. They may have taught you everything you know but not everything they know. Why do you think we delivered those drones, to appease you? Everytime you put onein flight they are sending Israel intellignece reports on their use, but you have no clue. Reality is that you guys can't program a computer or GPS system no less operate sophisticated miliatery hardware in a combat environment. That is why your top generals don't support the government. Pretty soon turkey will start paying for joining the axis of evil. wikileasks tells us the world is on to you as another fanatical muslim state. But it means nothing because even though you have a big mouth, you can't back it up. Even the Armeanians keep you at bay and on Cyprus, you couldn't win either. Admit it, the turks are a bunch of losers and the Europeans can't stomach you either. when syria and iran are your best friends you know you got problems.
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