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Muslim leaders visit Auschwitz
Lior Zilberstein
Published: 02.02.11, 20:10
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1. why wasnt this done before?
(02.02.11)
why at nearly the 11th hour is this being done? maybe it will help some -i hope so.
2. Re: 1
Morceli   (02.02.11)
This was probably done before. It's just that we always remember the bad and forget about the good. Tensions and bloodletting (i.e. Auschwitz) are remembered forever, but instances of co-existence, of sympathy and brotherhood are being forgotten everyday.
3. Better In Mecca
Dan ,   Florida   (02.02.11)
This would have had more meaning if they all marched together thru Mecca.
4. makes you think there may be hope
Barney ,   USA   (02.02.11)
in the muslim world for tolerance. Not all arabs helped Jews in the holocaust. Some were partners. Still, it would be nice if we could all get along and not kill each other.
5. Nakba not even close to Holocaust
William ,   Israel   (02.02.11)
and the meaning behind the Nakba today (a tragedy that befell Palestinians personally) wasn't the same as it was in 1948 (a tragedy that befell Arabs with the failure to destroy Israel). The Holocaust didn't happen because Jews tried to kill Germans nor because Jews were in the way of other powers trying to destroy Germany. The Nakba was a mostly Arab-initiated event and, like today, the "palestinians" continue to suffer for the misguided actions of foreign Arab leaders. While Jews agree mostly that "Palestinians" did suffer through this era, not many would agree that it was at the hands of the Israelis. If the "Palestinian" cleric is correct - that the comparison with the Holocaust is based upon "the sense of a man living at home in peace and security when suddenly evil comes and he is thrown far from this security,", wouldn't that mean that the Arab massacres of Jews in the 1920s could also be considered a holocaust against Jews by Arabs before WWII?
6. Nakba and Holocaust incomparable...
Joe ,   Ramat Gan   (02.02.11)
To put the premeditated and ruthless murder of 6 Million people on the same ethical ground as 750,000 people leaving a parcel of land (largely of their own free will) because they lost a war they started is morally despicable. Comparisons like this should be condemned wherever they occur.
7. Dr. Mohammed Rojani's comment, one of the delgates:
coco ,   galil   (02.02.11)
Rajani also remarked on comparisons often made between the Holocaust and the Nakba, or expulsion of Palestinians from their land in 1948. "We do not compare the Nakba and the Holocaust as if the atrocities that occurred are on the same level, but rather in the sense of a man living at home in peace and security when suddenly evil comes and he is thrown far from this security" Oh come on now Dr., who are you fooling here? It is a well known fact that the Arabs (Palestinians) left Israel on their own accord and were not "thrown out." In addition by your statement claiming it was by "evil coming" or some type of evil force, would not one easily infer that to mean you are calling Jews/Israelis evil? These references do not go over well by one who is in such a delegation as this one. Secondly, boo-hoo on this article's journalist who writes of the "...expulsion of Palestinians from their land in 1948." Excuse me, "their land?" Again who fled their homes of their own free will here? I would hope that the journalist would shed some light on actual historical facts vs. the commonly held mis-truths believed by many.
8. Good intentions, but it actually diminishes Shoah's impact
sifter ,   chicago   (02.02.11)
Now everybody who suffers has their own 'mini' Holocaust, thereby diminishing what the Holocaust is. Blood is blood, suffering is unspeakable, but the 'Nakba' is not the same as gassing 6000 Jews a day, every day, and Srebbrenica's ghastly atrocities, though horrendous, are not a 'Holocaust' in terms of scale, duration, nor impact to the collective. One third of Muslims in the world were not killed at Srebrenica. Moral equivalency is wrong on so many levels.
9. This is my dream
Yossef   (02.02.11)
that jews and arabs together rebuild a bright civilization around the mediterranean sea. We are still far, but this is a small light in the darkness.
10. to Yossef - AMEN
Daniela   (02.02.11)
11. Nakba
Ron ,   Melbourne, Australia   (02.03.11)
The Palestinian forgot to mention that prior to the Nakba the Mufti of Jerusalem (Hussaini) was part of the Nazi murder machine -he organized Muslim death squads for the Nazi's and he was promoting the 'final Solution' - I.e killing all Jews throughout the Arab world as finishing the Job of the Nazi's. It is from these beginning , from the treatment of Jews as second class citizens which are subject to persecution throughout the Arab world (for centuries) and Last but not least The Palestinian rejection of Division and stated (in many speeches) to drive the Jews to the sea and kill all ( in line with the Mufti push ) that caused the so called Nekba and which Jews died in that war of rejection by The Palestinians then England lost (as a% of population) in the entire world war 2. By bringing the Nakba into his speech he showed the futility of the excercise - the Muslims are simply using the visit againt Europe with no recognition of their role and the killing, persecution , etc of Jews in Arab countries for centuries. Remember the concept of the marking of Jews by requiring them to wear certain clothing and which ended up with the Nazi's requiring the yellow star -was started in Arab countries centuries ago. Where is the speech by the Turkish representative re the massacre of the Arminians - which was no less evil and which was executed less scientifically and over less time , however, was no less Brutal in execution. Where Are the speeches re the rampant anti-semitic media, mosques , etc throughout Muslim countries, which is excercised every day and with great populism againt Jews - including all the countries mentioned in this Article and the Palestinian territories - What are their. Concerns - Islamophobia in Europe, tryi g to tie their cause (eg. Nakba) to the holocaust and use the visit as PR at the same time as not stopping the Muslim countries around the world or mosques. Nice idea - Totally waste of time
12. #6 Do the Nakba
Dan ,   Titusville, FL   (02.03.11)
Set to Van McCoy's "Do the Hustle", this new dance "Do the Nakba" dance is all the rage in the disco's.
13. Muslim Leaders Speaking Out Against Racism?
Doug ,   Rochester, USA   (02.03.11)
Great! But meanwhile, Israeli Rabbis speak out about how the Torah says it is OK to kill Muslims civilians, even children. And the Torah commands Jews to not rent property to non-Jews. The racists used to be predominately non-Jews. Now the racists are predominantly Jews.
14. Makes me sick just to read about it, these thugs have no
tom ,   tel aviv   (02.03.11)
limits to their hutzpa. On the other hand they must be wondering why nobody on this blue planet is trying to stop them...! What's nex:t Neo-Nazis marching through Aushwitz in order to "avoid future mistakes"... ? The gullible Jews , as always, are leading this misbegotten "peace-initiative" How many more empty words do we have to utter before a child shouts: The emperor is naked!
15. to nr. 5.
sjoerd ruurd.... ,   planet earth   (02.03.11)
there has not only been a jewish holocaust in history. there was also a russian and a chinese holocaust in the 2nd. world war. the national socialists killed between 27 million and 40 million russians and the japanese fascist militarists killed about 20 million chinese in mainland china and about 23 million ethnic chinese in other asian and pacific countries. together more than half of the people who were killed in world war ii. the whole world war 2 was one big holocaust. and of course the slaughter of the indian population in the americas. there are surely more examples of holocausts in the history to give.
16. Doug
Frank Mazuca ,   lakeland, USA   (02.03.11)
where do you get your information about Israel rabbis & the Torah stating Jews can kill Muslims? I have been reading several Israel newspapers for over a decade and never once heard that expressed by any rabbi..
17. 13, i didnt know it was jews who flew the planes into the wt
(02.03.11)
wtc? or how the jews blew up buses and trains in spain, uk. or i see it was jews who are doing the rioting now in cairo...man quit drinking the gosh darn kool-ade or the yes we can bulllshit affirmative action president tells you -you dum ass
18. Sounds hopeful.FYI I dont know any Saudi who denies holocaus
Sultan ,   Jeddah   (02.03.11)
19. Reply to #12
theo ,   Chicago, Illinois   (02.03.11)
It may be better for you to spend your time learning grammar, rather than attempting humor. (no apostrophe in discos is necessary for plural)
20. Nakba...
john ,   toronto, canada   (02.03.11)
If you pay careful attention to what was written and you were were a rational person then there is no way you can disagree, unless you are in denial. Here, I'll copy and paste it for you again "We do not compare the Nakba and the Holocaust as if the atrocities that occurred are on the same level, but rather in the sense of a man living at home in peace and security when suddenly evil comes and he is thrown far from this security," What is wrong with that? BTW, I do not deny the Holocaust or blame the Jews for its provocation. So why do you deny the Nakba or place the blame on Muslims/Arabs? Good for Muslims and Arabs for seeing the atrocities commited against the Jews in Europe, it is an important and unfortunate piece of history that we must all learn from, whether Jew, Muslim, Christian, etc.
21. Nakba is a reality my friend
ahmed ,   new jersey, u.s.a   (02.03.11)
William, you are either misinformed, or just unwilling to recognize the truth. Why do you deny what a people suffered and went through? My father and his family fled from their homes from fear of massacre. Over 700,000 feared the same. Many were brutally murdered, or forced from their homes unable to return. The Nakba is very serious to me. Be careful of who you choose to read, because there are a lot of unreliable sources that choose to report on what they wish and disregard the rest. Have you heard of the Deir Yassin Massacre? The village was only 7 km away from my father's village. Open your mind and heart and realize that there is historical bloodshed on both sides, and land dispossesion was the chief motive of Arab antagonism. Just as Muslims should recognize the Holocaust, so should the Jews recognize the Nakba, regardless if the victims from the two events are not proportional.
22. #13 - handful of Muslims hardly representative
William ,   Israel   (02.03.11)
Let's see - a handful of Muslims, from a population of 1 billion, denounce racism and suddenly all of their centuries of atrocities, including daily attacks across the Middle East are, ok? I just watched an interview with a radical cleric in London on CNN who said any means to bring Sharia law to Egypt (and eventually to the UK) is acceptable, because "everything under the rule of the koran is more fair and just"....just like the hanging of gays, honor killings of women, slaughtering of neighbors based on rumors, killing non-Muslims, and slavery are. But while I can turn to any channel, and read almost any newspaper to find hate speech from a Muslim, I still couldn't find a rabbi using the Torah as justification to kill civilians of any type. Please provide the source...Al-manar doesn't count.
23. For Doug Predominantly is a couple of news Reports
Ron ,   Melbourne, Australia   (02.03.11)
Talk about jumping to convenient conclusion - I guess the whole US must be racist as I heard Louis Farrakhan talk. I think a critical thinker would at a minimum look at the volume and quality of statements and time period. On all counts the racist are not predominantly Jews - simply compare Arab media and media in Israel, simply compare all the attacks and treatment of Minority in Arab countries - e.g. Copetics in Egypt (supposedly the most moderate), Dafur, etc. But I guess let not have the facts stand in the way of a bombastic statement. By
24. Rajani's comment Shoah vs. "Nakba"
Mikey ,   SomeWhere OverHere   (02.03.11)
OK, at least he admits that the scope of the Shoah eclipsed the Palestinian Arab refugee crisis of 1948-49 by thousands of orders of magnitude--but when he says they are similar ",in the sense of a man living at home in peace and security" he entirely misses the point--the Jews of Europe were NOT "at home" in Europe before, during, or after the Shoa. Eretz Yisrael is the Jews' home. When the "Palestinian" Arabs acknowledge and internalize that fact, then maybe there can be hope for peace.
25. to doug 13
Barney ,   USA   (02.03.11)
where do you get your info? the aryan nation website? Obvious Jew haters shouldn't be calling anybody racist.
26. Nakba was not Jewish it was Arab!
Hinda ,   SF Bay Area   (02.03.11)
Haji al-Husseini an Egyptian and uncle to another Egyptian Arafat helped design the death camps for Jews and other inferiors (kaffirs). Today's Palestinians have learned the lies of Goebbels and Arafat as facts. To anyone who has any intelligence the Nakba was self-inflicted NOT by Jews but by their own leaders. Blame them! If you hate Israel and the West LEAVE! We who want life, liberty, freedom and to live with one another in peace do not want Nazis or anyone like them including Muslim Nazis. NEVER AGAIN!
27. Doug, please!
fg   (02.03.11)
Generalizations, generalizations again. Only a few, a handful of probably deluded extremists, not more!
28. RE#13
Ben Dare ,   Charlotte, NC US   (02.03.11)
That is not correct. I suggest that you read the Torah for yourself, and not listen to someone elses interpretation. NOT even a Rabbi.
29. to #20 no there r more evidences that arabs muslims
ghostq   (02.03.11)
were allies of the nazis, you maybe don't know it but in Israel during that time there was German colonies, their leader a lowlife named Wagner pledge his leagons to the Nazi regim, he even had a pictur of Hitler in his TA office, anyhow he with arabs colaborators used to target jews in the holyland, and this was proven more than once, I think facts talk louder than any words, give me a good reason y? the arab world got short memoriey but the rest don't I don't think there is any excuss for this what so ever.
30. To #13 Doug.
Steven ,   Rockville, USA   (02.03.11)
Do you call yourself a human being? Show us where in the Torah you read that it is OK to kill Muslims or anybody at all. However it is stated in the Koran that it is allowed to kill non-believer non-Muslims. You are nothing but a heap of trash. Get lost from this website.
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